The issue I take with this is that avoiding women is just a short term solution and no one is discussing strategies for actually solving the problem.
"Just avoid women and die alone bro."
"Just avoid women and let civilization collapse bro."
"Just avoid women and end your family line bro."
Great. Avoid women to avoid getting fucked by the state. I get it. It's self preservation. But it does nothing to change anything, so the prescription is familial and societal suicide.
no one is discussing strategies for actually solving the problem.
Because the only real solution is violence. When the people that keep the state-sponsored extortion racket going are afraid it will cost them their lives, they will stop.
However, simply discussing it will get your posts deleted and you banned. And anyone that discusses/encourages it online is as likely to be a glowie as a real person.
If you want a better solution, you can go to Church, accept that the world belongs to the devil, forget about solving political problems, and become perfect enough in your sanctity so that a devoutly religious woman wants you.
It's the easy way out. I get if you have no kids it's easier to let it all collapse. I have children I love, so mgtow'ing away into a corner, ie letting the crazies convince you to die alone and forgo your society, isn't really an option.
Mgtow is male feminism. A death sentence for the men who follow it. Women are not your enemy. Women and men need each other.
It makes sense in the context that they are both ideological positions that result in the death of one's ability or willingness to find a mate and build a family.
Mgtow/feminism are both movements seeking to disrupt the family and traditional family pairing. Through both you teach to abandon the next generation through neglect.
Bull. Women need men to build civilization and keep them safe, even as women refuse to acknowledge this, and most men are forced to provide this via social shaming and/or threat of violence.
Men only need women to have children. That's it. Even then, said children can be taken away at any time should the woman start uttering the magic words to invoke the state's power. 'He hit me', 'He abused the kids', 'He's a deadbeat dad', and society will automatically defer to her judgement, explicitly because she's a woman.
Look, I get it. In a perfect world, there would be give and take, back and forth - a reciprocal arrangement where both men and women benefit from getting together, getting married, and having children. We do not have that. Not by default - a man nowadays has to vet women to such an extreme that it's insane, and all that vetting can be ruined in an instance should the women go off on a temper tantrum.
I'm not going to blame a man in the slightest if he looks at all of that and promptly GTFOs. You talk about forgoing society? Then give men a society they want to be apart of.
No one's going to give you anything. Demanding the moon and declaring that if you don't get it you're going to pout and refuse to do anything, is basically female behavior.
You quitting means you don't get an opinion anymore.
The issue I take with this is that avoiding women is just a short term solution and no one is discussing strategies for actually solving the problem.
"Just avoid women and die alone bro."
"Just avoid women and let civilization collapse bro."
"Just avoid women and end your family line bro."
Great. Avoid women to avoid getting fucked by the state. I get it. It's self preservation. But it does nothing to change anything, so the prescription is familial and societal suicide.
Because the only real solution is violence. When the people that keep the state-sponsored extortion racket going are afraid it will cost them their lives, they will stop.
However, simply discussing it will get your posts deleted and you banned. And anyone that discusses/encourages it online is as likely to be a glowie as a real person.
Sadly I think this is an accurate synopsis.
If you want a better solution, you can go to Church, accept that the world belongs to the devil, forget about solving political problems, and become perfect enough in your sanctity so that a devoutly religious woman wants you.
It's the easy way out. I get if you have no kids it's easier to let it all collapse. I have children I love, so mgtow'ing away into a corner, ie letting the crazies convince you to die alone and forgo your society, isn't really an option.
Mgtow is male feminism. A death sentence for the men who follow it. Women are not your enemy. Women and men need each other.
This makes zero sense. Feminists want to control the behavior of other people. MGTOW do not.
It makes sense in the context that they are both ideological positions that result in the death of one's ability or willingness to find a mate and build a family.
It makes sense in the context that they are both ideological positions.
Exactly.
Mgtow/feminism are both movements seeking to disrupt the family and traditional family pairing. Through both you teach to abandon the next generation through neglect.
Bull. Women need men to build civilization and keep them safe, even as women refuse to acknowledge this, and most men are forced to provide this via social shaming and/or threat of violence.
Men only need women to have children. That's it. Even then, said children can be taken away at any time should the woman start uttering the magic words to invoke the state's power. 'He hit me', 'He abused the kids', 'He's a deadbeat dad', and society will automatically defer to her judgement, explicitly because she's a woman.
Look, I get it. In a perfect world, there would be give and take, back and forth - a reciprocal arrangement where both men and women benefit from getting together, getting married, and having children. We do not have that. Not by default - a man nowadays has to vet women to such an extreme that it's insane, and all that vetting can be ruined in an instance should the women go off on a temper tantrum.
I'm not going to blame a man in the slightest if he looks at all of that and promptly GTFOs. You talk about forgoing society? Then give men a society they want to be apart of.
No one's going to give you anything. Demanding the moon and declaring that if you don't get it you're going to pout and refuse to do anything, is basically female behavior.
You quitting means you don't get an opinion anymore.
Recognizing that there's a problem isn't 'demanding the moon'.
Have we really gotten to the point were requesting the absolute bare minimum is now see as 'female behavior'? Jesus fucking christ.
We cannot have men without women. Or women without men. Period.