No one's going to give you anything. Demanding the moon and declaring that if you don't get it you're going to pout and refuse to do anything, is basically female behavior.
You quitting means you don't get an opinion anymore.
I'm pointing out the obvious. That you are casting aside any value you have as your starting point. If you refuse to have and raise children unless your ridiculous optimum conditions are met, then you are the snobby couple at the beginning of Idiocracy.
Should we accept their behavior then? Those who pass on their lineage routinely sacrifice their children for Mammon and Moloch. I am not saying give up, but some standards must be met. One doesn't want to end up another destroyed divorcee, with broken children or spending their whole lives in a situation they hate.
And you came across as shaming, sorry if I read too much into that and misinterpreted what you said. I am just used to hearing the same shaming tactics and language over and over again.
Also, not true on passing on the lineage being the end all be all. There are many a saint, many a hero, many an inventor and other assorted great men who left no children behind but did great things for their peoples and communities. And there are many a man who breed but did nothing, and their children remained slaves and paupers for all time. Breeding is important, but not everything.
No, saying that you refuse to lift a finger unless someone else fixes it, is demanding the moon.
You're not requesting "the bare minimum" either. You've got your chicken and egg backwards. If you try to use walking away as blackmail, you have ensured that you'll never get what you want. You've invalidated yourself.
The future of civilization belongs to those who show up for it. You won't.
No one's going to give you anything. Demanding the moon and declaring that if you don't get it you're going to pout and refuse to do anything, is basically female behavior.
You quitting means you don't get an opinion anymore.
Recognizing that there's a problem isn't 'demanding the moon'.
Have we really gotten to the point were requesting the absolute bare minimum is now see as 'female behavior'? Jesus fucking christ.
Men gotta be shamed. Shame, shame. At this point, anytime anybody tries to shame men at all makes them suspect.
You aren't being "shamed" lol.
I'm pointing out the obvious. That you are casting aside any value you have as your starting point. If you refuse to have and raise children unless your ridiculous optimum conditions are met, then you are the snobby couple at the beginning of Idiocracy.
You don't pass on your lineage, you don't matter.
Why would anyone give you what you say you want?
Should we accept their behavior then? Those who pass on their lineage routinely sacrifice their children for Mammon and Moloch. I am not saying give up, but some standards must be met. One doesn't want to end up another destroyed divorcee, with broken children or spending their whole lives in a situation they hate.
And you came across as shaming, sorry if I read too much into that and misinterpreted what you said. I am just used to hearing the same shaming tactics and language over and over again.
Also, not true on passing on the lineage being the end all be all. There are many a saint, many a hero, many an inventor and other assorted great men who left no children behind but did great things for their peoples and communities. And there are many a man who breed but did nothing, and their children remained slaves and paupers for all time. Breeding is important, but not everything.
No, saying that you refuse to lift a finger unless someone else fixes it, is demanding the moon.
You're not requesting "the bare minimum" either. You've got your chicken and egg backwards. If you try to use walking away as blackmail, you have ensured that you'll never get what you want. You've invalidated yourself.
The future of civilization belongs to those who show up for it. You won't.
So you'll never get what you want.