It's the easy way out. I get if you have no kids it's easier to let it all collapse. I have children I love, so mgtow'ing away into a corner, ie letting the crazies convince you to die alone and forgo your society, isn't really an option.
Mgtow is male feminism. A death sentence for the men who follow it. Women are not your enemy. Women and men need each other.
It makes sense in the context that they are both ideological positions that result in the death of one's ability or willingness to find a mate and build a family.
Mgtow/feminism are both movements seeking to disrupt the family and traditional family pairing. Through both you teach to abandon the next generation through neglect.
Bull. Women need men to build civilization and keep them safe, even as women refuse to acknowledge this, and most men are forced to provide this via social shaming and/or threat of violence.
Men only need women to have children. That's it. Even then, said children can be taken away at any time should the woman start uttering the magic words to invoke the state's power. 'He hit me', 'He abused the kids', 'He's a deadbeat dad', and society will automatically defer to her judgement, explicitly because she's a woman.
Look, I get it. In a perfect world, there would be give and take, back and forth - a reciprocal arrangement where both men and women benefit from getting together, getting married, and having children. We do not have that. Not by default - a man nowadays has to vet women to such an extreme that it's insane, and all that vetting can be ruined in an instance should the women go off on a temper tantrum.
I'm not going to blame a man in the slightest if he looks at all of that and promptly GTFOs. You talk about forgoing society? Then give men a society they want to be apart of.
No one's going to give you anything. Demanding the moon and declaring that if you don't get it you're going to pout and refuse to do anything, is basically female behavior.
You quitting means you don't get an opinion anymore.
No, saying that you refuse to lift a finger unless someone else fixes it, is demanding the moon.
You're not requesting "the bare minimum" either. You've got your chicken and egg backwards. If you try to use walking away as blackmail, you have ensured that you'll never get what you want. You've invalidated yourself.
The future of civilization belongs to those who show up for it. You won't.
It's the easy way out. I get if you have no kids it's easier to let it all collapse. I have children I love, so mgtow'ing away into a corner, ie letting the crazies convince you to die alone and forgo your society, isn't really an option.
Mgtow is male feminism. A death sentence for the men who follow it. Women are not your enemy. Women and men need each other.
This makes zero sense. Feminists want to control the behavior of other people. MGTOW do not.
It makes sense in the context that they are both ideological positions that result in the death of one's ability or willingness to find a mate and build a family.
It makes sense in the context that they are both ideological positions.
Exactly.
Mgtow/feminism are both movements seeking to disrupt the family and traditional family pairing. Through both you teach to abandon the next generation through neglect.
Bull. Women need men to build civilization and keep them safe, even as women refuse to acknowledge this, and most men are forced to provide this via social shaming and/or threat of violence.
Men only need women to have children. That's it. Even then, said children can be taken away at any time should the woman start uttering the magic words to invoke the state's power. 'He hit me', 'He abused the kids', 'He's a deadbeat dad', and society will automatically defer to her judgement, explicitly because she's a woman.
Look, I get it. In a perfect world, there would be give and take, back and forth - a reciprocal arrangement where both men and women benefit from getting together, getting married, and having children. We do not have that. Not by default - a man nowadays has to vet women to such an extreme that it's insane, and all that vetting can be ruined in an instance should the women go off on a temper tantrum.
I'm not going to blame a man in the slightest if he looks at all of that and promptly GTFOs. You talk about forgoing society? Then give men a society they want to be apart of.
We cannot have men without women. Or women without men. Period.
No one's going to give you anything. Demanding the moon and declaring that if you don't get it you're going to pout and refuse to do anything, is basically female behavior.
You quitting means you don't get an opinion anymore.
Recognizing that there's a problem isn't 'demanding the moon'.
Have we really gotten to the point were requesting the absolute bare minimum is now see as 'female behavior'? Jesus fucking christ.
Men gotta be shamed. Shame, shame. At this point, anytime anybody tries to shame men at all makes them suspect.
No, saying that you refuse to lift a finger unless someone else fixes it, is demanding the moon.
You're not requesting "the bare minimum" either. You've got your chicken and egg backwards. If you try to use walking away as blackmail, you have ensured that you'll never get what you want. You've invalidated yourself.
The future of civilization belongs to those who show up for it. You won't.
So you'll never get what you want.