Bull. Women need men to build civilization and keep them safe, even as women refuse to acknowledge this, and most men are forced to provide this via social shaming and/or threat of violence.
Men only need women to have children. That's it. Even then, said children can be taken away at any time should the woman start uttering the magic words to invoke the state's power. 'He hit me', 'He abused the kids', 'He's a deadbeat dad', and society will automatically defer to her judgement, explicitly because she's a woman.
Look, I get it. In a perfect world, there would be give and take, back and forth - a reciprocal arrangement where both men and women benefit from getting together, getting married, and having children. We do not have that. Not by default - a man nowadays has to vet women to such an extreme that it's insane, and all that vetting can be ruined in an instance should the women go off on a temper tantrum.
I'm not going to blame a man in the slightest if he looks at all of that and promptly GTFOs. You talk about forgoing society? Then give men a society they want to be apart of.
No one's going to give you anything. Demanding the moon and declaring that if you don't get it you're going to pout and refuse to do anything, is basically female behavior.
You quitting means you don't get an opinion anymore.
I'm pointing out the obvious. That you are casting aside any value you have as your starting point. If you refuse to have and raise children unless your ridiculous optimum conditions are met, then you are the snobby couple at the beginning of Idiocracy.
No, saying that you refuse to lift a finger unless someone else fixes it, is demanding the moon.
You're not requesting "the bare minimum" either. You've got your chicken and egg backwards. If you try to use walking away as blackmail, you have ensured that you'll never get what you want. You've invalidated yourself.
The future of civilization belongs to those who show up for it. You won't.
Bull. Women need men to build civilization and keep them safe, even as women refuse to acknowledge this, and most men are forced to provide this via social shaming and/or threat of violence.
Men only need women to have children. That's it. Even then, said children can be taken away at any time should the woman start uttering the magic words to invoke the state's power. 'He hit me', 'He abused the kids', 'He's a deadbeat dad', and society will automatically defer to her judgement, explicitly because she's a woman.
Look, I get it. In a perfect world, there would be give and take, back and forth - a reciprocal arrangement where both men and women benefit from getting together, getting married, and having children. We do not have that. Not by default - a man nowadays has to vet women to such an extreme that it's insane, and all that vetting can be ruined in an instance should the women go off on a temper tantrum.
I'm not going to blame a man in the slightest if he looks at all of that and promptly GTFOs. You talk about forgoing society? Then give men a society they want to be apart of.
We cannot have men without women. Or women without men. Period.
No one's going to give you anything. Demanding the moon and declaring that if you don't get it you're going to pout and refuse to do anything, is basically female behavior.
You quitting means you don't get an opinion anymore.
Recognizing that there's a problem isn't 'demanding the moon'.
Have we really gotten to the point were requesting the absolute bare minimum is now see as 'female behavior'? Jesus fucking christ.
Men gotta be shamed. Shame, shame. At this point, anytime anybody tries to shame men at all makes them suspect.
You aren't being "shamed" lol.
I'm pointing out the obvious. That you are casting aside any value you have as your starting point. If you refuse to have and raise children unless your ridiculous optimum conditions are met, then you are the snobby couple at the beginning of Idiocracy.
You don't pass on your lineage, you don't matter.
Why would anyone give you what you say you want?
No, saying that you refuse to lift a finger unless someone else fixes it, is demanding the moon.
You're not requesting "the bare minimum" either. You've got your chicken and egg backwards. If you try to use walking away as blackmail, you have ensured that you'll never get what you want. You've invalidated yourself.
The future of civilization belongs to those who show up for it. You won't.
So you'll never get what you want.