What he seems to miss is that the AI is a joy to work with as an artist
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"Do you have a friend who likes to bake? Ask them if they like manually mixing batter or using an electric mixer."
That's a good way to view it. I remember similar comments when Photoshop and video editing with a computer came around.
or the replicator on c-deck
Past a certain point, the art or craft is gone and you're just commissioning something, rather than 'baking'
Depends on how lazy I'm feeling but mostly by hand, I find I get better and more even mixing that way
An eletric mixer doesn't bake your cake in an instant, you still did the actual work, only with less physical labour.
Tattoo artists are a special kind of delusional egotist. So many of them think they're too good to use a stencil or trace a portrait, so they end up mutilating hundreds of poor people in the pursuit of their "art". For years I've wondered why there aren't CNC tattoo machines that could copy any image you want onto your skin. That's what most clients want - an image on their skin - they don't give a fuck about the craft.
Elaborate kanji
"It means 'Strength'"
I know two or three different Kanji that can have that sort of meaning, and it wouldn't be any of them.
Lol really, strength? There are a handful of potentials but 力 or 強 would be the most obvious and they certainly aren’t elaborate.
A two line tattoo that looks like a weird H would be a silly one though.
A lot of tattoo artists have stuck too many needles into themselves.
They did, but tied it to NFTs somehow
Edit: also, they're really up their own ass about it and are charging a lot of money for the privilege. You have to apply through a form that was written by a narcissist.
I feel like the problem with CNC machines would be the human underneath moving, even just unconsciously flexing or motions of their skin and blood, which would turn a small poke into a fucking stab. Making more and more safety precautions against such a thing would eventually cripple the machine's ability to even work at a decent pace.
Which you know, is the reason why we have humans over machines in basically any other place. Because humans can react in pretty real time to things on instinct, whereas a machine needs to be programmed to do so.
I recently had some keys cut, one at a local locksmith (not Home Depot or Lowe's) and another at a robot kiosk. Not only were the keys cut by the locksmith faster and better quality, they were cheaper too. The locksmith isn't out-of-order most of the time either.
People treat technology like it's fucking Jesus, and it's getting really annoying.
They aren't paying you money for your enjoyment of the drawing process.
This is really what it comes down to for me. I can fully appreciate the creative process, and wanting to do things a certain way, even if it's perhaps less "efficient" than other ways. If you're putting your art in a gallery or something, and people can choose to buy it or not, feel free to be your most creative self, with whatever guiderails you put in place. Don't want to use AI? Don't.
But tattoos are different. Were I to get a tattoo, I'd want the best tattoo possible, closest to what I'm asking for. I want the person I'm paying to realize the vision we've talked over and agreed on. Fuck your creativity, put the art we've agreed on on my body. I don't care how much fun the artist has in the process.
On the flip side there is definitely something cool about Yakuza tattoos where they guy literally pokes you by hand thousands of times.
If they guys love the art so much why do they use electric tattoo guns?
Oh, I'm no fan of AI art, and do prefer human art. My point isn't to defend AI, it's to condemn this fucker's smarmy attitude. If he can do a good job without AI, by all means, I'm not going to demand he do it the "new" way. Again, human > AI, on principle.
But to act like I should care at all about his "fun," nah, he can go fuck himself. Again, selling his art would be one thing. But that's not what tattoos are, exactly. The customer decides what they want, and the artist should do everything in their power to make it happen. If they can't do it without AI, use AI. If they can get a good result without AI, even better, in my opinion. But I don't care how artistically fulfilled they are, unless it leads to a better product.
TL;DR: This fucker needs to stop whining and do his job.
"please don't automate the painfully manual process I do to convey the art I have in my mind"
All I get from this is gatekeeping. I enjoy 3d modeling and making my own art that way, but can't draw for shit. If AI or more sophisticated tools makes that easier to get my vision realized, I'll be happy.
A few years ago someone asked how to get a picture for a book cover. I explained art tracing and styling to get what you wanted. An admin kicked me out for suggesting something so illegal.
Isn't that how everyone gets started? I remember literally learning about tracing paper and whatnot in art class as a kid lol. Imitate the masters of whatever style you like until you're good enough to make it your own style.
It's exactly how everyone gets started, but now it's verboten because eine werefrau.
It's ladder kicking it's ALWAYS ladder kicking.
This was one of the first things that right wing authors turned over to AIs. Why pay an idiot a grand for xers "artist vision", when you can have an AI whip something up.
I haven't the first clue how to turn a simple 2D cartoon into a 3D model ...
Approximate the shape in 3D. Shaders.
I'm not going to pay my friend hundreds of dollars to make pancakes that don't taiste nearly as good as pre-made mix from the store though.
If your art isn't better than AI art, few people are going to pay you $100 for a design they can get for $0.01.
You are, of course, free to explore your creativity as a hobby. But not entitled to other people's money for it.
Yeah, I like making my own naan bread (yeah, I like Indian food).
It's cheaper and tastes better than "normal" supermarket bought stuff. And I enjoy the process a bit occasionally (can make large amounts and freeze the dough).
But if the store bought stuff would be better? I would find something else to make that I enjoy.
Am artist. I enjoy both drawing by hand and dicking around with the various image-making AIs. Once I have a better PC I'll probably set up one of those img-to-img things, train it on my own artstyle or whatever, use it to polish and animate my shit. And I'll have lots of fun doing it.
Am Designer. I know how to do everything on my own. What I've learned about AI is that it won't do what you need unless you already know what you are doing.
If you want the job done right, you have to do it yourself.
Trying to get AI to splurt out anything pallettable is an exercise in futility. Unless you're a generic desktop background enthusiast.
I never understood why people here (or from the right in general) seems to like AI.
It's going to cause a massive competency crisis when its popular. You think DEI is bad? Wait until everyone is dependent of AI for absolutely everything. People will progressively lose the ability to make any choice, develop their own thoughts, and will just follow AI's orders. I'm not opening that door, ever, even if it simplifies my day-to-day life.
Cheap stuff is almost always the worst stuff. Mass processed food is by far many times worst than naturally grown food, even though it's many times easier to make and in big quantities. AI will be the same, sure you'll have more images than ever, but say good bye to any form of arts with actual thoughts put behind it. Instead, it will just be a bunch of stuff duct-taped together as quickly as possible.
Enjoy your loss of control. Sure, there are programs that are free for now, but the moment AI will be big enough to pose a serious threat to most industries, and thus, most money-making opportunities, say good bye to any free projects, just like how it happened with many other free and open source softwares. That, and AI will get exponentially harder to create and maintain just like any tech, to the point only giant companies will actually be able to invest and maintain it.
At least don't lie to yourself. You're not a mathematician because you're using a calculator to do "sin(45)", and you're not an artist because you used AI to draw some random pictures.
I believe the main reason for the right enjoying all this is that the loudest whining has come from pretentious lefty artists who want government regulation to protect their racket. Everyone thought the robots would take over manual labor first, but AI is taking the jobs of the so-called "creatives", and the irony is delicious as most of those people are apparently communists who believe they will be living in luxury creating art after the glorious revolution while everyone else toils. Most of them never cared about automation replacing jobs until now. Learn2Code.
Personally it doesn't matter if I like it or not. It's pretty much a fact of life, and you adapt or die. We have to have control over our own AI tools, understanding them completely so we can exploit them to help us vanquish our enemies.
That's legitimately scary, though perhaps another generation or two down the line. I actually knew someone who was fine with being completely dependent on Google for truth, and he can't wait until the day he can hook his brain up to a machine to answer all his questions. I don't really see a solution though besides having control over society or avoiding the borgification myself. That doesn't mean I'll avoid using all automation tools though if they make my routine work easier.