They've totally lost the original meaning of the word, specifically the "involuntary" part of it. I'm sure there are plenty of other men like myself who have made the conscious decision to abstain from sex while we sort out the rest of the utter cluster fuck the world has become, so that we can actually provide a good life for the women we will love.
Well, for myself personally, it's kind of involuntary in a way. It's similar to female "incels". We all know the women could get sex anytime they wanted to if they lowered their standards. I could do the same. I'd rather not have sex than lower my standards though.
I'd totally have sex with attractive women on a moments notice but I am unwilling to put time/money in to have sex with these women because it isn't worth it and the women I don't need to put time/money in to have sex with aren't worth having sex with for free.
I think you yourself have now an entirely different idea of what an incel is than everyone else as well; hence, this label is worthless.
What's wrong with extremism? I would argue that our society demands extremism to fix and people who are not extreme are a problem.
Is inceldom a choice? I feel men are forced into it, hence the "involuntary" part.
Are incels gaslighted into the incel mindset or are men gaslighted into any mindset except inceldom?
I feel any man who is honest about himself and women is likely single and will be the rest of his life. Only men who've managed to deceive themselves about the truth can possibly be in a relationship with a woman in modernity or they won the lottery. Incel should be the default position of all men.
I think you yourself have now an entirely different idea of what an incel is than everyone else as well; hence, this label is worthless.
I was going to say the same to you in response to your first comment. I have an entirely different idea of what it means, because it's not even that deep. It's just a random insult like virgin or chud.
(but your personal description in the 2nd comment does accurately represent what the "incel community" was originally)
You have to act obsessed with them. Like a desperate simp enamored by their vagina. It's difficult to fake because it's demeaning so if it's not genuine, it's usually easy to see through. Women want slaves. They want a man that will do everything for her. Being superior in looks isn't good enough. Believe it or not lots of "Chads" are actually pathetic simps.
It has been worse for Germany, the UK and Sweden. But yeah. Three generations after that thing, and the country ends.
I would say that thing is a symptom not a cause, but women becoming a political voting block has certainly accelerated things. Women now are the single largest voting block in elections, and, as a group, they think with their feelings. It makes them incredibly easy to manipulate.
Moreover, policies that make it easy for women to be single have guaranteed outcomes for their votes. Single women vote predictably far left.
One thing that also got mentioned is how many different novel series originally started out as fanfics. 365 Days originated as a 50 Shades fanfic apparently, 50 Shades of Grey was originally a Twilight fanfic, The Mortal Instruments was originally a Ginny x Draco, Harry Potter fic, and apparently Stephanie Meyer was originally a fanfic writer herself before writing Twilight.
It’s just hilarious to me to see that one of the biggest reasons why modern fiction is so fucked nowadays is because a lot of the people writing modern fiction belonged to the Tumblr crowd.
To be fair, although I'm not a fan of any of those, I appreciate that - despite their origins - they each actually made their own thing. At least they didn't fuck up the originals. I don't begrudge them their success; good for them.
But, yeah, it does highlight some hilarious patterns...that make you an "incel" if you notice.
50 Shades is only its own thing because the hack Meyers contacted the author of 50 Shades and threatened to sue if she didn't change the character names.
If you removed all the “i hate women” shit their rhetoric is like 95% correct
One of my favorites and its even funnier how its massively upvoted. You can admit they are totally right about everything and everyone nods along.
But since they are women, you can't be upset about it. You just have to let them act like this.
Going down the line, its just people openly admitting to basic incel talking lines (even saying the stats back them up) but then having to throw in "yeah but they do it wrong" without ever explaining how to do it right is. And considering the amount of people trying to jump in and still defend women on it, apparently its still wrong to even say it.
Women subconsciously understand women are natural whores. For a man to somehow not get any poon repulses women on a visceral level: This man is an evolutionary dead end and his genetics deserve extinction.
That may be partly it, the main reason is woman understand they can use sex to manipulate men (not even "subconsciously" it's completely deliberate). For them to be able to manipulate men with this method, they need to men to greatly value sex. One way they do this is creating a culture when men are entirely valued by their ability to achieve sex with women. "Incel" is an insult used to reinforce this culture.
Talking points and buzzwords as a whole are so tedious. If I could go the rest of my life without hearing about "incels" that would be just fine with me. Such a stupid thing to try to apply an identity too, from either side.
At least some of the comments get it. "Because incels are boogeymen, and the few good points they make are now taboo because if you bring it up, people call you an incel," and "Pure ooh ooh aah aah tribalism basically."
To be clear, I'm not dismissive or sympathetic to the incels, my primary complaint is that I just hate that it's a labeled group/identity/movement/boogeyman at all, and think most discourse around it is retarded and rather artificially contrived to boot.
The label "incel" now just means men who understand our culture's gynocratic leanings and the nature of women.
They've totally lost the original meaning of the word, specifically the "involuntary" part of it. I'm sure there are plenty of other men like myself who have made the conscious decision to abstain from sex while we sort out the rest of the utter cluster fuck the world has become, so that we can actually provide a good life for the women we will love.
Well, for myself personally, it's kind of involuntary in a way. It's similar to female "incels". We all know the women could get sex anytime they wanted to if they lowered their standards. I could do the same. I'd rather not have sex than lower my standards though.
I'd totally have sex with attractive women on a moments notice but I am unwilling to put time/money in to have sex with these women because it isn't worth it and the women I don't need to put time/money in to have sex with aren't worth having sex with for free.
I think you yourself have now an entirely different idea of what an incel is than everyone else as well; hence, this label is worthless.
I feel any man who is honest about himself and women is likely single and will be the rest of his life. Only men who've managed to deceive themselves about the truth can possibly be in a relationship with a woman in modernity or they won the lottery. Incel should be the default position of all men.
I was going to say the same to you in response to your first comment. I have an entirely different idea of what it means, because it's not even that deep. It's just a random insult like virgin or chud.
(but your personal description in the 2nd comment does accurately represent what the "incel community" was originally)
Almost like incel is short for something, and thereby has the counterpart "volcel" to differentiate itself from those guys.
Hmm... You don't think fat feminists want to be fucked?
You have to act obsessed with them. Like a desperate simp enamored by their vagina. It's difficult to fake because it's demeaning so if it's not genuine, it's usually easy to see through. Women want slaves. They want a man that will do everything for her. Being superior in looks isn't good enough. Believe it or not lots of "Chads" are actually pathetic simps.
The Nineteenth Amendment and Its Consequences have been a disaster for the United States.
It has been worse for Germany, the UK and Sweden. But yeah. Three generations after that thing, and the country ends.
I would say that thing is a symptom not a cause, but women becoming a political voting block has certainly accelerated things. Women now are the single largest voting block in elections, and, as a group, they think with their feelings. It makes them incredibly easy to manipulate.
Moreover, policies that make it easy for women to be single have guaranteed outcomes for their votes. Single women vote predictably far left.
One thing that also got mentioned is how many different novel series originally started out as fanfics. 365 Days originated as a 50 Shades fanfic apparently, 50 Shades of Grey was originally a Twilight fanfic, The Mortal Instruments was originally a Ginny x Draco, Harry Potter fic, and apparently Stephanie Meyer was originally a fanfic writer herself before writing Twilight.
It’s just hilarious to me to see that one of the biggest reasons why modern fiction is so fucked nowadays is because a lot of the people writing modern fiction belonged to the Tumblr crowd.
To be fair, although I'm not a fan of any of those, I appreciate that - despite their origins - they each actually made their own thing. At least they didn't fuck up the originals. I don't begrudge them their success; good for them.
But, yeah, it does highlight some hilarious patterns...that make you an "incel" if you notice.
50 Shades is only its own thing because the hack Meyers contacted the author of 50 Shades and threatened to sue if she didn't change the character names.
One of my favorites and its even funnier how its massively upvoted. You can admit they are totally right about everything and everyone nods along.
But since they are women, you can't be upset about it. You just have to let them act like this.
Going down the line, its just people openly admitting to basic incel talking lines (even saying the stats back them up) but then having to throw in "yeah but they do it wrong" without ever explaining how to do it right is. And considering the amount of people trying to jump in and still defend women on it, apparently its still wrong to even say it.
Fuck those men who are terrible and the worse thing ever because they checks notes can't get laid. Yeah clearly they are terrible and deserve scorn
If someone brags about their height (or just casually mentions it for no reason), you can probably subtract a foot from their number for the real one.
It always amazes me just how much women hate male virgins.
Women subconsciously understand women are natural whores. For a man to somehow not get any poon repulses women on a visceral level: This man is an evolutionary dead end and his genetics deserve extinction.
That may be partly it, the main reason is woman understand they can use sex to manipulate men (not even "subconsciously" it's completely deliberate). For them to be able to manipulate men with this method, they need to men to greatly value sex. One way they do this is creating a culture when men are entirely valued by their ability to achieve sex with women. "Incel" is an insult used to reinforce this culture.
How dare those disgusting men continue to live without getting a woman's approval first?!
Talking points and buzzwords as a whole are so tedious. If I could go the rest of my life without hearing about "incels" that would be just fine with me. Such a stupid thing to try to apply an identity too, from either side.
At least some of the comments get it. "Because incels are boogeymen, and the few good points they make are now taboo because if you bring it up, people call you an incel," and "Pure ooh ooh aah aah tribalism basically."
To be clear, I'm not dismissive or sympathetic to the incels, my primary complaint is that I just hate that it's a labeled group/identity/movement/boogeyman at all, and think most discourse around it is retarded and rather artificially contrived to boot.
Any other links? archive.is doesn't ever seem to work for me.
archive has multiple domains, you can try .ph or .vn
https://web.archive.org/web/20240224033050/https://old.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/1aydphy/twilight_the_incels_were_right/