Well, for myself personally, it's kind of involuntary in a way. It's similar to female "incels". We all know the women could get sex anytime they wanted to if they lowered their standards. I could do the same. I'd rather not have sex than lower my standards though.
I'd totally have sex with attractive women on a moments notice but I am unwilling to put time/money in to have sex with these women because it isn't worth it and the women I don't need to put time/money in to have sex with aren't worth having sex with for free.
Some of the writing I've seen on incels by feminists have been fascinating because they act like incels are all simply fat losers pissy they can't get laid and they really believe this. They also believe that incels are not only like this in physical appearance but have unrealistic expectations of a partner, e.g. gief model with huge tits.
I know as men the rest of us know how out of touch women are when it comes to the issue of being men and being completely invisible and a lot of older guys are as well because of their family hug boxes and how they haven't likely been on the dating market for 20+ years so they have no idea how bad it's gotten.
It really does not matter if you're a mortgage free home owner, take the time to floss your teeth and work out. These women have had their egos inflated to high heaven because they get 100+ guys messaging them the second they make an account on social media even if they're incredibly average looking. I mean yes if you find a particularly desperate girl who knows she can't get guys much then maybe, maybe, but most of them are egotistical as fuck, even the ones who have no right to be.
They've convinced themselves they can get that 1% guy when they don't realise that the 1% guy is going to be banging much more attractive and nicer women on the regular and she will only ever be his side bitch at best. Or my personal favourite is with learning about how these red pill grifter types are working they pay attractive women have their way with them and then these women move onto the next pay pig after draining them of their accounts or the guy moves onto another woman who literally prostitutes herself.
With this maths in mind, it really is amazing that western women will still blame men for everything and act shocked that passport bros are a thing, but that's women for you. As for whether voluntary or involuntary, don't ever let society gaslight you into the incel mindset, that's something where I will caution against inceldom because it's the ultimate blackpill move and it's going to make you as miserable as a wine aunt.
I almost feel like the watering down of the term incel is in of itself a psyop designed to trigger guys with a lack of confidence in themselves so they get pushed to extremism. Same goes for the constant attacking of guys on their sexuality and sense of self-worth by feminists and tradcucks when it comes to this particular issue.
I think you yourself have now an entirely different idea of what an incel is than everyone else as well; hence, this label is worthless.
What's wrong with extremism? I would argue that our society demands extremism to fix and people who are not extreme are a problem.
Is inceldom a choice? I feel men are forced into it, hence the "involuntary" part.
Are incels gaslighted into the incel mindset or are men gaslighted into any mindset except inceldom?
I feel any man who is honest about himself and women is likely single and will be the rest of his life. Only men who've managed to deceive themselves about the truth can possibly be in a relationship with a woman in modernity or they won the lottery. Incel should be the default position of all men.
I think you yourself have now an entirely different idea of what an incel is than everyone else as well; hence, this label is worthless.
I was going to say the same to you in response to your first comment. I have an entirely different idea of what it means, because it's not even that deep. It's just a random insult like virgin or chud.
(but your personal description in the 2nd comment does accurately represent what the "incel community" was originally)
Yeah I think maybe we need to be clearer on the definition perhaps, I mean this is just what I've glanced at from looking at actual incel forums as opposed to what feminists and tradcucks say about them. They seem to me like guys who just think they're too ugly to get laid or have zero self-confidence.
I don't think you can compare inceldom to guys who make the deliberate choice to stay the fuck away from crazy women. That's not the same, because I have no problem hanging out with women who aren't totally batshit and have met some, they also don't have a problem talking to me. Even women who I've had a problem with in the past or have had a problem with me would probably do a character assessment of me not actually being a bad guy or anything it was more a differences of opinion thing or I ended up getting pissed off with their behaviour lol.
You have to act obsessed with them. Like a desperate simp enamored by their vagina. It's difficult to fake because it's demeaning so if it's not genuine, it's usually easy to see through. Women want slaves. They want a man that will do everything for her. Being superior in looks isn't good enough. Believe it or not lots of "Chads" are actually pathetic simps.
Well, for myself personally, it's kind of involuntary in a way. It's similar to female "incels". We all know the women could get sex anytime they wanted to if they lowered their standards. I could do the same. I'd rather not have sex than lower my standards though.
I'd totally have sex with attractive women on a moments notice but I am unwilling to put time/money in to have sex with these women because it isn't worth it and the women I don't need to put time/money in to have sex with aren't worth having sex with for free.
Some of the writing I've seen on incels by feminists have been fascinating because they act like incels are all simply fat losers pissy they can't get laid and they really believe this. They also believe that incels are not only like this in physical appearance but have unrealistic expectations of a partner, e.g. gief model with huge tits.
I know as men the rest of us know how out of touch women are when it comes to the issue of being men and being completely invisible and a lot of older guys are as well because of their family hug boxes and how they haven't likely been on the dating market for 20+ years so they have no idea how bad it's gotten.
It really does not matter if you're a mortgage free home owner, take the time to floss your teeth and work out. These women have had their egos inflated to high heaven because they get 100+ guys messaging them the second they make an account on social media even if they're incredibly average looking. I mean yes if you find a particularly desperate girl who knows she can't get guys much then maybe, maybe, but most of them are egotistical as fuck, even the ones who have no right to be.
They've convinced themselves they can get that 1% guy when they don't realise that the 1% guy is going to be banging much more attractive and nicer women on the regular and she will only ever be his side bitch at best. Or my personal favourite is with learning about how these red pill grifter types are working they pay attractive women have their way with them and then these women move onto the next pay pig after draining them of their accounts or the guy moves onto another woman who literally prostitutes herself.
With this maths in mind, it really is amazing that western women will still blame men for everything and act shocked that passport bros are a thing, but that's women for you. As for whether voluntary or involuntary, don't ever let society gaslight you into the incel mindset, that's something where I will caution against inceldom because it's the ultimate blackpill move and it's going to make you as miserable as a wine aunt.
I almost feel like the watering down of the term incel is in of itself a psyop designed to trigger guys with a lack of confidence in themselves so they get pushed to extremism. Same goes for the constant attacking of guys on their sexuality and sense of self-worth by feminists and tradcucks when it comes to this particular issue.
I think you yourself have now an entirely different idea of what an incel is than everyone else as well; hence, this label is worthless.
I feel any man who is honest about himself and women is likely single and will be the rest of his life. Only men who've managed to deceive themselves about the truth can possibly be in a relationship with a woman in modernity or they won the lottery. Incel should be the default position of all men.
I was going to say the same to you in response to your first comment. I have an entirely different idea of what it means, because it's not even that deep. It's just a random insult like virgin or chud.
(but your personal description in the 2nd comment does accurately represent what the "incel community" was originally)
Yeah I think maybe we need to be clearer on the definition perhaps, I mean this is just what I've glanced at from looking at actual incel forums as opposed to what feminists and tradcucks say about them. They seem to me like guys who just think they're too ugly to get laid or have zero self-confidence.
I don't think you can compare inceldom to guys who make the deliberate choice to stay the fuck away from crazy women. That's not the same, because I have no problem hanging out with women who aren't totally batshit and have met some, they also don't have a problem talking to me. Even women who I've had a problem with in the past or have had a problem with me would probably do a character assessment of me not actually being a bad guy or anything it was more a differences of opinion thing or I ended up getting pissed off with their behaviour lol.
Hmm... You don't think fat feminists want to be fucked?
You have to act obsessed with them. Like a desperate simp enamored by their vagina. It's difficult to fake because it's demeaning so if it's not genuine, it's usually easy to see through. Women want slaves. They want a man that will do everything for her. Being superior in looks isn't good enough. Believe it or not lots of "Chads" are actually pathetic simps.