Yeah, GDP might rise, but the wealth increase is only evident for the upper classes. For the working & unskilled classes it means wage stagnation, increased rent & property prices, decreased education outcomes for children, and more competition for essential services.
People who advocate for open borders are engaging in class warfare.
True, but every negative event that requires money to fix, every crime committed by a migrant that needs money spent to remedy it, it all adds to GDP.
Possibly the most productive activity possible by GDP is to pay a man to dig a hole, and pay him again to fill it in the next day, because it's all about the flow of money, not about any useful end for that flow.
It's horrifyingly fascinating to see the US/Mexican border become the point of entry for every flea-bitten peasant from every impoverished shithole country around the globe.
The cartel in charge of migrant transportation inside Mexico must be making billions.
Now that the pussy NIMBY bleeding-hearts have to share their precious city space with the unwashed hordes, the next administration will have political carte blanche to deal with it.
it will make the GDP go up because government spending on stuff for illegal immigrants will go up. GDP is kind of worthless when measuring the prosperity of a society.
By the curious standard of the GDP, the nation's economic hero is a terminal cancer patient who is going through a costly divorce. The happiest event is an earthquake or a hurricane. The most desirable habitat is a multibillion-dollar Superfund site. All these add to the GDP, because they cause money to change hands. It is as if a business kept a balance sheet by merely adding up all "transactions," without distinguishing between income and expenses, or between assets and liabilities.
If you and I sell the same $1 apple to each other ten times, we still have one apple, but we have a GDP of $10. Oh, and we had revenue of $5 each, so we still have one apple, but we both owe the government $2.
The American government is claiming a massive spike in GDP after covid. They neglect to mention that we spent three times as much as we “gained” in GDP.
Yeah that would only work if you didnt have welfare and dont have to pay for a giant police state like china. Because crime will be rampant if every poor fellow needs to compete with 50-100 other people to get a minimum wage job.
We also need a military campaign to expel all the foreign invaders that are already here frankly. Even if we zero out immigration tomorrow, there's still millions of people inside our borders that need to be forced to leave.
Most people on the Right are still milquetoast cowards who only are willing to say "controversial" takes once most people will agree with them.
Nearly everyone, even normies, think that illegal Mexican immigration is either a problem or downright bad so that's totally fine to say. But its still too racist to say Indians and Somalis and Turks are a fucking plague too.
Fine. I'd happily accept the entire worldwide gypsy population (ship them to New York City) if it meant we never had another non-European illegal invader.
GDP is a lie. Deficit spending is included in GDP. So if the government borrows $7T to pay for the costs of these illegals, that's the GDP increase they're claiming.
Yeah, GDP might rise, but the wealth increase is only evident for the upper classes. For the working & unskilled classes it means wage stagnation, increased rent & property prices, decreased education outcomes for children, and more competition for essential services.
People who advocate for open borders are engaging in class warfare.
True, but every negative event that requires money to fix, every crime committed by a migrant that needs money spent to remedy it, it all adds to GDP.
Possibly the most productive activity possible by GDP is to pay a man to dig a hole, and pay him again to fill it in the next day, because it's all about the flow of money, not about any useful end for that flow.
Are you suggesting that the liars in charge cook the books? I'm shocked! Shocked! Truly, though, good observation.
I prefer the comic where Paul Krugman pays Ben Bernanke $1000 to eat literal bullshit, and vice-versa.
Oh it's much worse. They're openly advocating for genocide.
That's just an antisemitic trope!
If that actually were true then why is Mexico not already a global economic powerhouse?
Who told you they were from Mexico?
Last time I checked we were getting Haitians, Congolese, Guatamalens, Tunisians, Syrians (real ones), Chinese, ect.
It's horrifyingly fascinating to see the US/Mexican border become the point of entry for every flea-bitten peasant from every impoverished shithole country around the globe.
The cartel in charge of migrant transportation inside Mexico must be making billions.
Now that the pussy NIMBY bleeding-hearts have to share their precious city space with the unwashed hordes, the next administration will have political carte blanche to deal with it.
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I care about the GDP.
Importing hordes of unproductive people doesn't improve the GDP in the slightest.
The GDP is being "improved" by statistical abuse and subsidies given to specific oligarchic firms.
it will make the GDP go up because government spending on stuff for illegal immigrants will go up. GDP is kind of worthless when measuring the prosperity of a society.
Line go up.
Cobb, Halstead, Rowe, The Atlantic, October 1995
If you and I sell the same $1 apple to each other ten times, we still have one apple, but we have a GDP of $10. Oh, and we had revenue of $5 each, so we still have one apple, but we both owe the government $2.
Keynesian economics to a T. Money moved? We're rich! Everyone who believes in it has a PhD in stupidity.
This is why Fabian Socialism / Neo-Liberalism is a death cult, even when they are only looking at economic or monetary conditions.
no he is actually correct
the more immigrants illegal or not the more government spending goes up
as government spending goes up the GDP goes up because for some fake and gay reason government spending is part of the GDP calculations
therefore the more the government pisses away money the better because GDP line go up
Here is the recent study that shows it is a massive cost :
https://unherd.com/thepost/dutch-study-immigration-costs-state-e17-billion-per-year/
I think I remember reading that they include government spending in the GDP. if this is the case, of course it helps the GDP go up!
The American government is claiming a massive spike in GDP after covid. They neglect to mention that we spent three times as much as we “gained” in GDP.
Correct. Deficit spending is part of GDP, that doesn't get backed out as a liability.
Aren’t “broken windows” famous for increasing GDP?
Dems know we will be getting thousands of looted stores and this means broken windows.
Your kids and grandkids will pay the price and never know a safe society again.
They include military spending too.
This is actually where the lie comes from that WW2 got the US out of the Great Depression. Keynesian propaganda.
the fact that they are even suggesting that they are using the federal government to aid and abet criminals is treason enough.
Yeah that would only work if you didnt have welfare and dont have to pay for a giant police state like china. Because crime will be rampant if every poor fellow needs to compete with 50-100 other people to get a minimum wage job.
Come now, surely we could have some korean or Japanese immigration. A couple of thousand or so.
"Non European immigration".
As if mass migration would be good if they were all gypsies, or that illegal immigration only comes from non-europeans.
Immigration needs to be restricted to very low levels. Simple as.
We also need a military campaign to expel all the foreign invaders that are already here frankly. Even if we zero out immigration tomorrow, there's still millions of people inside our borders that need to be forced to leave.
No disagreement here. We need mass deportations.
Most people on the Right are still milquetoast cowards who only are willing to say "controversial" takes once most people will agree with them.
Nearly everyone, even normies, think that illegal Mexican immigration is either a problem or downright bad so that's totally fine to say. But its still too racist to say Indians and Somalis and Turks are a fucking plague too.
Almost nobody wants to talk about the steadily-growing tumor that is the Indian population in America.
Fine. I'd happily accept the entire worldwide gypsy population (ship them to New York City) if it meant we never had another non-European illegal invader.
The only way that would help is from the fact that you can only import a max number of gypsies, and it ain't 31 million.
And you still didn't agree to deportations. Your racial affiliation doesn't help you in this at all.
Destroying society gives the left power. That's it.
GDP is a lie. Deficit spending is included in GDP. So if the government borrows $7T to pay for the costs of these illegals, that's the GDP increase they're claiming.
It would be unacceptable even if it was good for their precious deity known as the GDP.
Line go up. - Beijing Bidens adminastratum.