It’s also because the pay in the industry has been shit for a long long time. I worked in aircraft maintenance for 10yrs and left to pursue a tech job because the pay in aviation was no where near acceptable for the knowledge, skill and physical exertion required of the job. I’ve been out of that industry for almost 9 years and I still get calls and emails frequently from recruiters desperate to find anyone willing to fill the wide open positions.
Another problem is that airlines treat maintenance, and the downtimes required to perform it properly, as a liability. They constantly push for work to get done faster than possible and pressure mechanics to cut corners. I could make multiple effort-posts detailing the things I personally saw and even more things that I heard from my colleagues. It would make most people never want to fly again.
I’m not at all surprised this has happened. This has been coming to a head for almost 20yrs.
As someone who used to contract for Boeing -- it's definitely not joggers causing problems. There weren't any the entire time I was there, in any of the buildings I was in.
Doesn't necessarily have to be blacks. If Boeing is hiring and promoting people based on diversity the incompetent engineers, inspectors, and/or technicians could have been a myriad of useless idiots.
Nah, the fundamentally issue is Boeing bought McDonald Douglas and then decided to keep McDonald Douglas's management thinking it would be a good idea instead of firing everyone above the level of junior/senior engineer.
As someone who contracted with a company that was created to get Boeing contracts - yeah. Entire office park almost all white dudes, a few Indians, and some Irish. One of my jobs was to make sure their VOIP systems could contact people in places like Malaysia, Morocco, and other 2nd-world shit holes like Dublin, IRE
What they actually talked about, I have no idea.
The 737 MAX issues were almost entirely because of shit code. Who wrote that code? Who knows? Mystery for the ages
Now, the issue of pilots being hired solely because they are vibrant, diverse, and unable to follow ATC commands ... God Speed
Also many of these crashes I think were in African Countries, which, to put it bluntly, have absolutely no concept of maintenance. Even India maintains (lol) it's rail-line.
Depends on why it ripped off. If the electronics controlling it glitched it could have been not shut and sealed properly which would have caused the door to fail or something like that.
What does that have to do with now? Is the implication that it would always remain that way because it was like that in the past? Or was this very recent?
I second this. I worked at 4 different companies over a decade and had fewer than a dozen black (or even brown) coworkers in all that time. Maybe things have changed drastically but these problems existed way way before DEI was even a thing.
Yesterday, an Alaskan 737 Max 9 had a depressurization event leaving Portland.
The Max 9 has mid-plane set of emergency exits just behind the wings, to meet the exit requirements for the densest seating configuration. However, Alaskan's planes don't use maximum seating, so on this particular plane the emergency exit had a plug installed instead.
The plug is not as strong as an emergency exit door frame. It failed and was blown off, taking with it that segment of the interior wall. Fortunately, there were no severe injuries. The plane is almost certainly repairable. The FAA has grounded all 737 Max with door plugs until they can be inspected for pressure fatigue.
Boeing is the corporate embodiment of the Competency Crisis. A lot of people are pointing their fingers at DIE to explain Boeing's vast incompetence across many product lines but the company's problems go back to at least their acquisition of McDonnell Douglas in 1997. When Boeing bought MD, the MD management took over the combined company and brought with it the bean counter oriented management philosophy that meant quarterly growth took precedence over engineering prowess. It's almost impossible to state just how rotten the management is at Boeing.
A sample of their failures:
They are the prime contractor for NASA's SLS rocket. This boondoggle is billions of dollars over budget and years behind schedule. If it weren't for the fact that SLS is a jobs program first and rocket program second, it probably would have been canceled. SLS is so badly managed that it caused NASA to move away from cost+ contracting towards fixed cost contracting.
Which leads us to the Starliner. Boeing was one of the winners of the fixed cost NASA Commercial Crew program (along with SpaceX's Dragon). They cannot bring themselves to finish the project and when they launched their prototype, it nearly lost control on ascent and wasted too much thruster fuel to even dock and also nearly burned up in the atmosphere on descent. Both of these were due to software problems. Starliner is such an albatross that it's the reason for Boeing's poor financials this quarter. Boeing has now sworn off fixed cost contracts.
The infamous software glitches in their 737 MAX program, leading to the loss of two aircraft.
Boeing has announced that they won't develop a new airliner for the next 10 years. This is a huge problem for them because Airbus is developing new aircraft and Boeing will continue to fall behind. Airbus is already taking marketshare away from Boeing and I expect the Chinese to do so as well by 2034.
Not the heckin floyderino!
If it's Boeing, it ain't going.
It’s also because the pay in the industry has been shit for a long long time. I worked in aircraft maintenance for 10yrs and left to pursue a tech job because the pay in aviation was no where near acceptable for the knowledge, skill and physical exertion required of the job. I’ve been out of that industry for almost 9 years and I still get calls and emails frequently from recruiters desperate to find anyone willing to fill the wide open positions.
Another problem is that airlines treat maintenance, and the downtimes required to perform it properly, as a liability. They constantly push for work to get done faster than possible and pressure mechanics to cut corners. I could make multiple effort-posts detailing the things I personally saw and even more things that I heard from my colleagues. It would make most people never want to fly again.
I’m not at all surprised this has happened. This has been coming to a head for almost 20yrs.
Joggeronautics?
Shocking.
As someone who used to contract for Boeing -- it's definitely not joggers causing problems. There weren't any the entire time I was there, in any of the buildings I was in.
Doesn't necessarily have to be blacks. If Boeing is hiring and promoting people based on diversity the incompetent engineers, inspectors, and/or technicians could have been a myriad of useless idiots.
Nah, the fundamentally issue is Boeing bought McDonald Douglas and then decided to keep McDonald Douglas's management thinking it would be a good idea instead of firing everyone above the level of junior/senior engineer.
As someone who contracted with a company that was created to get Boeing contracts - yeah. Entire office park almost all white dudes, a few Indians, and some Irish. One of my jobs was to make sure their VOIP systems could contact people in places like Malaysia, Morocco, and other 2nd-world shit holes like Dublin, IRE
What they actually talked about, I have no idea.
The 737 MAX issues were almost entirely because of shit code. Who wrote that code? Who knows? Mystery for the ages
Now, the issue of pilots being hired solely because they are vibrant, diverse, and unable to follow ATC commands ... God Speed
Also many of these crashes I think were in African Countries, which, to put it bluntly, have absolutely no concept of maintenance. Even India maintains (lol) it's rail-line.
Complete shit show.
I only travel by my own petrol these days
What does code have to do with doors popping off mid-flight?
I did not program any of that shit so I couldn't tell you.
But it happened and is documented.
The recovery boxes were recovered.
Depends on why it ripped off. If the electronics controlling it glitched it could have been not shut and sealed properly which would have caused the door to fail or something like that.
What does that have to do with now? Is the implication that it would always remain that way because it was like that in the past? Or was this very recent?
It was quite recent, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it.
I saw a ton of Taiwanese programmers, a lot of Indians, and effectively zero Hispanic or black dudes.
I second this. I worked at 4 different companies over a decade and had fewer than a dozen black (or even brown) coworkers in all that time. Maybe things have changed drastically but these problems existed way way before DEI was even a thing.
What am I looking at?
.jpg posters need to be shot, change my mind.
Yesterday, an Alaskan 737 Max 9 had a depressurization event leaving Portland.
The Max 9 has mid-plane set of emergency exits just behind the wings, to meet the exit requirements for the densest seating configuration. However, Alaskan's planes don't use maximum seating, so on this particular plane the emergency exit had a plug installed instead.
The plug is not as strong as an emergency exit door frame. It failed and was blown off, taking with it that segment of the interior wall. Fortunately, there were no severe injuries. The plane is almost certainly repairable. The FAA has grounded all 737 Max with door plugs until they can be inspected for pressure fatigue.
Thank you for providing the context that the .jpg poster assumed everyone had.
"I can't breathe!" -Passengers of Alaskan Airline Flight 1282 while 41,000 feet in the air when the cabin depressurized.
Accelerationism, do your thing!
Boeing is the corporate embodiment of the Competency Crisis. A lot of people are pointing their fingers at DIE to explain Boeing's vast incompetence across many product lines but the company's problems go back to at least their acquisition of McDonnell Douglas in 1997. When Boeing bought MD, the MD management took over the combined company and brought with it the bean counter oriented management philosophy that meant quarterly growth took precedence over engineering prowess. It's almost impossible to state just how rotten the management is at Boeing.
A sample of their failures:
The Big B becomes an Amazon warrior princess.
The current cope is another company, Spirit AeroSystems.
Which doesn't really help since that company also is going through a DEI cult as well.