Remember that the FtM tranny that shot up the school in Nashville did so predominately because of white hatred, despite being white.
Self hatred is a powerful motivator, and propaganda works. Maybe if we stopped seeing anti-white hatred spewed all over the place and simultaneously applauded as a good thing, we'd likely have alot less issues as a society.
When women aren't counted in diversity KPIs, then I'll give a shit.
They always are and always will be, because the whole point is to give them a patsy to push in front of the angry mob to hide their undeserved advancement.
Everything you say is in such bad faith. I and other provide examples to counter your claim, and you just assert, without evidence, that they are faking it, even when they die over their issues with whiteness.
There's a LOT of victims caught up in the trans indoctrination machine, I should know they HEAVILY target the two people I like the most, autists and Tomboys, unfortunately like the gays and clergy theres a ton of predators using the title to hide in.
And they have a ton of influence in the 'community', just look at how fast they move to excommunicate detransitioners or gay conservatives with no interest in having their sexuality a prominent part of their identity.
The only way to stop it is essentially make EVERY community unprotected, allowed to be fully ridiculed and criticised. The predators rely on the protections of he group to operate, remove the protections, the predator move on.
Also gay men are a target, often times by family. It's "better", especially in these times to have a white trans daughter than have a white gay son. There's also the whole aspect of girlification which could be an entry into transgenderism. And this stuff is pushed everywhere on the internet to some degree, only need to look a tiny bit.
One of the things that contributed to shutting down the Tarvistok Frankenstein gender clinic in England was the increasingly-obvious pattern of parents brigning their effeminate teenage son to transition him into a "straight girl".
The staff at the clinic never met a child or teenager they wouldn't rush to transition. Less crazy people aware of this were starting to make noise.
Then the lawsuits started. And the government shut it down, doing a 180° and now say "no transition for children. No "gender affirmation", No puberty canceling drugs. They stop saying they are trans if you don't encourage them". Ya know, established science before Intersectional brain cancer took-over medical science and psychology.
Leftists will never admit transition is their version of pseudoscientific Conversion Therapies with a 99% failure rate. If they ever stop, it will be under duress, and then they will pretend they were just following Best Practice at the time.
As of today they are still claiming "*not transitioning a child is akshually illegal conversion therapy"" ( because your "trying to make them not-LGBTQAI2S+").
No, they are evil and it needs to be said. I cannot for the life of me think of any other reason why doctors and leftists do this to either mentally ill or gay people. Absolutely evil and proof for me that if God exists satan also absolutely exists and works through these people to spread evil around the world.
There's a LOT of victims caught up in the trans indoctrination machine
That's one of the more touchier issues with this subject. It's very easy to look at the troons and start up woodchippers, but quite a number are people that bought into it through peer pressure or social engineering. Single out the predators and the ones spreading it.
I want to clarify one thing I touched on in this piece. The ideology I was exposed to was circling on extreme-left tumblr circa 2015. The people saying "kill all men", "I wish men didn't exist", or similar were often (but not always) teenagers, college activists, or in moments of emotional distress. Some of the most vociferous advocates of these positions were trans women. I’m not an anti-feminist; I think that, especially in the face of the modern trans movement, feminists standing up for women's sex-based rights are doing something important. I just want everyone to understand that when this rhetoric is tossed around, devoid of nuance, it can be harmful to both young men and young women. To many autistic teenagers, men voluntarily making themselves eunuchs and women taking steroids and removing their breasts seems like a logical response to the narrative that human biology makes men inherent oppressors and women inherent victims. The radical feminist movement is the source of this message. I think the important work of fighting for women's rights can and should be done without spreading this harmful ideology to children and demonizing men.
He says he's not an anti-feminist and supports women's rights. What's the enemy?
He then liked this comment.
I read this with my lovely, sensitive 13 year-old son in mind. With ALL children in mind. Any adult that facilitates or condones the 'transition' of a child has forgotten what it is to be a child, never truly engaged with a child, or...has malign intent. I used to think Feminism was tiresome and didn't give it the time of day. These days I think it's malevolent. I'm so very very sorry you met not one adult, it seems, who just said, NO. And from me, a woman, to you, a man, men are every bit as 'good' and every bit as 'bad' and as everything-in-between, as women. The men I know are wonderful, and life would have been a lot less rich without them. The world NEEDS men.
I'm a White man like the author, and like him, my testosterone causes me to have a biological drive to procreate. What are your thoughts on White men procreating and our desire to do so? Is the testosterone that causes this desire good or bad to you?
The enemy, whether he admits it or not, is the feminist scum. His own words imply it heavily despite his efforts to walk it back.
Having a desire to procreate isn't an issue. Doing it isn't even an issue. Encouraging others to do it against their best interests makes you the (obviously less bad) right wing equivalent of a feminist grooming boys to be girls.
My own parents are divorced, and it was far from the end of the world for either of them. They managed to both still take part in raising me and my siblings, and it was the most important thing in the world to them. They never restarted a romantic relationship but did become good friends after the dust cleared.
Even if the divorce rate is high, divorce isn't the "ruin his life" button you make it out to be. Is 50% the rate you are going with?
Speaking of both Israel and self-interest, how is it in my interest to be a Zionist as a White male? Supporting Zionism has a 0% chance of ever contributing anything positive to my life, ever, yet you insist I have a moral duty to do so.
This is the topic dumbass. You too think testosterone is poison since it causes men to desire women. You knew that's where this was heading so you tried to derail the conversation.
You too think testosterone is poison since it causes men to desire women.
That's a shocking point, but I suppose it really is Imp's worldview given his professed goal is to propagate the human race in asexual birthing pods. Presumably, the female population will be work-camped out of existence.
Or he could be an Israeli clocking into his job, who knows.
So, you have a 50% chance of your marriage succeeding
This assumes that I'm on the left side of the bell curve. It's not like for every marriage you flip a coin, and if it's tails you get divorced. These numbers are hugely inflated by idiots getting married when they have no business doing so.
I wasn't mentally mature enough to think critically about these ideas, or to take them as anything but literal fact. (Literal thinking is common among autistic people, and I would be diagnosed with autism a few years later.)
The autism to tranny pipeline remains as true as ever. When will we see these people who have had their lives ruined by insane Leftism and gender nonsense go berserk and give them the Marvin Heemeyer, Gary Plauche, or Uncle Ted treatment? I imagine there must be a few of them not wholly demoralized such that they want revenge for what happened to them and they act out on it. They're already mentally unstable enough given their deep dive into these massive drug and surgery rabbit holes, it doesn't strike me as a big leap to get violent at the end of it.
TL;DR : Dismissing everyone trans as a sex crazed pervert is exactly what women want. They are victims of an insidious feminist plot.
It's talked about online and in trans spaces, and is pretty common; I've seen multiple trans women wearing "I survived testosterone poisoning" t-shirts.
Who calls testosterone a poison?
I was terrified of what testosterone was doing to me. I didn't want to be a man. I didn't want to be big and hairy. Men scared me. I’d seen my mom assaulted when I was young, and I didn’t want to be like the man who’d done that to her.
The lack of any positive views towards men made the individual genuinely fear becoming a man.
I'd been bullied a lot in school by other boys, and a lot of that bullying involved sexual abuse–groping, inappropriate touching, striking my butt and genitals, and verbal harassment (wolf-whistling amd yelling sexual comments at me). These, I felt, weren’t the sorts of things that happened to men. My suffering was only legible if I was a woman.
Preying on those who are weak, not able to achieve any sort of companionship with male peers.
This wasn't just "toxic masculinity"--I saw feminists saying all masculinity was toxic, that all men were rapists, all men were oppressors, all men should be killed.
This has only gotten worse over time. Women's rhetoric continues to grow and become impossible to avoid.
Now this stuff is everywhere, online and off. Is it any surprise that teenagers (frequently autistic teenagers who take everything literally) want to transition when they're exposed to societal messages telling them "men are bad, men are dangerous to women, only men have power"
Women's influence spreading, this is an obvious consequence to anyone who isn't wilfully ignorant.
Young boys will want to transition to escape the masculinity they're being told is harmful and toxic;
Escape the hate to feel like a human being, and the flipside...
I imagine young girls will want to transition to escape the violence they're being told is around every corner, in the eyes of every man who looks at them, and to access the power they're being told they're denied.
The fear campaign backfiring on women, which is the ONLY reason the TERFs are here at all.
I wanted to transition because my body was my enemy, and my body was the enemy of the world. I hated myself and wanted to punish myself. It was the same feeling that motivates cutting, binge-eating, anorexia, and lashing oneself.
Hold. Feminism. Accountable.
My very nature meant I deserved pain. I couldn't remove my whiteness from myself, but maybe I could remove my maleness. The first step was to get rid of the poison coursing through my body: testosterone, the hormone turning me into an animal and a brute. I needed to purify myself.
I'm not going to comment here. I just want the people who make "troon suicide" memes to realize who they're targeting and who is being supported by it.
I didn't have any particular reason to want to be female except that women were better than men–in my mind women were smarter, kinder, more empathetic, more beautiful, more moral.
Education and society have truly failed boys. Never should have allowed women's in-group bias to have such deep control.
I was attracted to women, and felt guilty about that attraction–straight male sexuality, I was told, was repulsive and rapey and objectifying. If I were a woman, I could be attracted to other women in a virtuous way. Maybe I was fetishizing lesbians, but there was nothing leering about it–I simply believed the things that women online were saying about themselves.
The reason for trans lesbians. They just want to be able to like women and not feel guilty.
Women also, in my perspective as a confused and traumatized fourteen-year-old, were valuable and worthy of consideration in a way that men were not
Gynocentrism is hard to push past.
My transition wasn't driven by fetishism or misogyny. I was just a lonely, wounded child. All I really wanted was to be loved.
And this is why I refuse to let TERFs lead the opposition. These people need help, they need their villains crushed so they feel that they can desert the ideology that's harming them.
A transition is never done. There's always more surgeries, new treatments, more work to do. You can never carve away enough pieces of yourself to be satisfied. You can never rid yourself of the fundamental facts of your own biology. You can never be cleansed of sin.
By design. Feminists planned the trans ideology to never have a situation where you had paid your debt to your "superiors" so that you'd be their slave for life.
The end goal of transition isn’t self-actualization. It's self-annihilation.
TL;DR : Dismissing everyone trans as a sex crazed pervert is exactly what women want. They are victims of an insidious feminist plot.
Sorry, you forever lost any trans-debate high ground when you gleefully cheered on the suffering and future infertility of young girls.
Either trans is terrible, and victimizes people (of both sexes), or it isn't.
Of course not all trans people people are monsters, but there's a disproportionate amount of monsters there. You always try to hide that fact, except when it suits your ends. But I guess now men who go trans are all victims, and girls who go trans all...had it coming, or something.
Yes, trans people are victims of the trans agenda. I think most here would agree with that. There are also a fuckton of perverts within those ranks. And you trying to now say that male trans are victims, while you've laughed about the mutilation of young girls...makes it hard to take anything you say on the topic seriously.
There are male and female perverts among the trans ranks. There are also male and female victims.
We wouldn't call them groomers if we didn't think they were grooming, and grooming is a crime that must have a victim. The issue is though, even the ones who are victimized and aren't the perverts need to detransition. If they don't, it's a strategic decision to continue to label them as freaks and perverts. It counteracts the love bomb tactic the article describes. If they are aware that people will perceive them as freaks, they will be more hesitant to transition.
It's the rate of suicide attempt, not success. And kids and teens read online to threathen to kill themselves if they don't get "gender-affirming care" ASAP.
( Which is where the Trans activists claims that not transitioning kids "put their lives at risk" / "trans genocide" are comming from. They cause it. )
I overlooked this line at first. It sounds like a positive racial identity would have helped this guy a lot.
Remember that the FtM tranny that shot up the school in Nashville did so predominately because of white hatred, despite being white.
Self hatred is a powerful motivator, and propaganda works. Maybe if we stopped seeing anti-white hatred spewed all over the place and simultaneously applauded as a good thing, we'd likely have alot less issues as a society.
Or we could start a positive campaign, something like "It's okay to be White"...
Alright that's enough hate from you, into the jail you go.
I was thinking of removing it because I knew someone would post it and then brigade that comment up.
White women never have problems with their whiteness. Weird, isn't it?
Robin DiAngelo would disagree...
When women aren't counted in diversity KPIs, then I'll give a shit.
They always are and always will be, because the whole point is to give them a patsy to push in front of the angry mob to hide their undeserved advancement.
They most certainly do. See the Nashville tranifesto.
That was a woman.
It was a White woman having problems with whiteness. Stay on topic.
Zionism is racialist...
Everything you say is in such bad faith. I and other provide examples to counter your claim, and you just assert, without evidence, that they are faking it, even when they die over their issues with whiteness.
Wasn't that manifesto released by Crowder? A shill for women's causes on the right?
Also, I maintain that the word crossed out was misogyny, which would change the whole meaning of the paragraph.
So the author of this piece is you?
No, I was thinking of removing that line from the quotations I posted.
There's a LOT of victims caught up in the trans indoctrination machine, I should know they HEAVILY target the two people I like the most, autists and Tomboys, unfortunately like the gays and clergy theres a ton of predators using the title to hide in.
And they have a ton of influence in the 'community', just look at how fast they move to excommunicate detransitioners or gay conservatives with no interest in having their sexuality a prominent part of their identity.
The only way to stop it is essentially make EVERY community unprotected, allowed to be fully ridiculed and criticised. The predators rely on the protections of he group to operate, remove the protections, the predator move on.
Also gay men are a target, often times by family. It's "better", especially in these times to have a white trans daughter than have a white gay son. There's also the whole aspect of girlification which could be an entry into transgenderism. And this stuff is pushed everywhere on the internet to some degree, only need to look a tiny bit.
One of the things that contributed to shutting down the Tarvistok Frankenstein gender clinic in England was the increasingly-obvious pattern of parents brigning their effeminate teenage son to transition him into a "straight girl".
The staff at the clinic never met a child or teenager they wouldn't rush to transition. Less crazy people aware of this were starting to make noise.
Then the lawsuits started. And the government shut it down, doing a 180° and now say "no transition for children. No "gender affirmation", No puberty canceling drugs. They stop saying they are trans if you don't encourage them". Ya know, established science before Intersectional brain cancer took-over medical science and psychology.
Leftists will never admit transition is their version of pseudoscientific Conversion Therapies with a 99% failure rate. If they ever stop, it will be under duress, and then they will pretend they were just following Best Practice at the time.
As of today they are still claiming "*not transitioning a child is akshually illegal conversion therapy"" ( because your "trying to make them not-LGBTQAI2S+").
They are sick in the head.
No, they are evil and it needs to be said. I cannot for the life of me think of any other reason why doctors and leftists do this to either mentally ill or gay people. Absolutely evil and proof for me that if God exists satan also absolutely exists and works through these people to spread evil around the world.
That's one of the more touchier issues with this subject. It's very easy to look at the troons and start up woodchippers, but quite a number are people that bought into it through peer pressure or social engineering. Single out the predators and the ones spreading it.
The author pinned this.
He says he's not an anti-feminist and supports women's rights. What's the enemy?
He then liked this comment.
I'm a White man like the author, and like him, my testosterone causes me to have a biological drive to procreate. What are your thoughts on White men procreating and our desire to do so? Is the testosterone that causes this desire good or bad to you?
The enemy, whether he admits it or not, is the feminist scum. His own words imply it heavily despite his efforts to walk it back.
Having a desire to procreate isn't an issue. Doing it isn't even an issue. Encouraging others to do it against their best interests makes you the (obviously less bad) right wing equivalent of a feminist grooming boys to be girls.
Is it always against men's best interests to procreate?
I'm so tempted to say "Not in Israel" just to piss you off.
Marriage has a 50% chance of failure, of which 70% are initiated by women.
Kids raised by single mothers are likely to become another statistic women can point to.
Let's assume that if the man initiates divorce, he gets custody, just for ease of working out.
So, you have a 50% chance of your marriage succeeding, and a 30% chance of getting away with it if it fails.
I don't think those odds are good, even with the unrealistic scenario I gave regarding custody.
My own parents are divorced, and it was far from the end of the world for either of them. They managed to both still take part in raising me and my siblings, and it was the most important thing in the world to them. They never restarted a romantic relationship but did become good friends after the dust cleared.
Even if the divorce rate is high, divorce isn't the "ruin his life" button you make it out to be. Is 50% the rate you are going with?
Speaking of both Israel and self-interest, how is it in my interest to be a Zionist as a White male? Supporting Zionism has a 0% chance of ever contributing anything positive to my life, ever, yet you insist I have a moral duty to do so.
Yeah, that's probably even more ridiculous than my assumption.
50% is the rate published by Forbes this year. First marriages only.
Yawn. Stay on topic.
lol, lmao even
Pot meet kettle
This is the topic dumbass. You too think testosterone is poison since it causes men to desire women. You knew that's where this was heading so you tried to derail the conversation.
That's a shocking point, but I suppose it really is Imp's worldview given his professed goal is to propagate the human race in asexual birthing pods. Presumably, the female population will be work-camped out of existence.
Or he could be an Israeli clocking into his job, who knows.
Yawn. Stay on topic, stormfag.
This assumes that I'm on the left side of the bell curve. It's not like for every marriage you flip a coin, and if it's tails you get divorced. These numbers are hugely inflated by idiots getting married when they have no business doing so.
The autism to tranny pipeline remains as true as ever. When will we see these people who have had their lives ruined by insane Leftism and gender nonsense go berserk and give them the Marvin Heemeyer, Gary Plauche, or Uncle Ted treatment? I imagine there must be a few of them not wholly demoralized such that they want revenge for what happened to them and they act out on it. They're already mentally unstable enough given their deep dive into these massive drug and surgery rabbit holes, it doesn't strike me as a big leap to get violent at the end of it.
Again, I can't see why you think having more men broken like this is a win for you
Edit: can't read but point still stands
TL;DR : Dismissing everyone trans as a sex crazed pervert is exactly what women want. They are victims of an insidious feminist plot.
Who calls testosterone a poison?
The lack of any positive views towards men made the individual genuinely fear becoming a man.
Preying on those who are weak, not able to achieve any sort of companionship with male peers.
This has only gotten worse over time. Women's rhetoric continues to grow and become impossible to avoid.
Women's influence spreading, this is an obvious consequence to anyone who isn't wilfully ignorant.
Escape the hate to feel like a human being, and the flipside...
The fear campaign backfiring on women, which is the ONLY reason the TERFs are here at all.
Hold. Feminism. Accountable.
I'm not going to comment here. I just want the people who make "troon suicide" memes to realize who they're targeting and who is being supported by it.
Education and society have truly failed boys. Never should have allowed women's in-group bias to have such deep control.
The reason for trans lesbians. They just want to be able to like women and not feel guilty.
Gynocentrism is hard to push past.
And this is why I refuse to let TERFs lead the opposition. These people need help, they need their villains crushed so they feel that they can desert the ideology that's harming them.
By design. Feminists planned the trans ideology to never have a situation where you had paid your debt to your "superiors" so that you'd be their slave for life.
Sorry, you forever lost any trans-debate high ground when you gleefully cheered on the suffering and future infertility of young girls.
Either trans is terrible, and victimizes people (of both sexes), or it isn't.
Of course not all trans people people are monsters, but there's a disproportionate amount of monsters there. You always try to hide that fact, except when it suits your ends. But I guess now men who go trans are all victims, and girls who go trans all...had it coming, or something.
Yes, trans people are victims of the trans agenda. I think most here would agree with that. There are also a fuckton of perverts within those ranks. And you trying to now say that male trans are victims, while you've laughed about the mutilation of young girls...makes it hard to take anything you say on the topic seriously.
There are male and female perverts among the trans ranks. There are also male and female victims.
We wouldn't call them groomers if we didn't think they were grooming, and grooming is a crime that must have a victim. The issue is though, even the ones who are victimized and aren't the perverts need to detransition. If they don't, it's a strategic decision to continue to label them as freaks and perverts. It counteracts the love bomb tactic the article describes. If they are aware that people will perceive them as freaks, they will be more hesitant to transition.
No, they'll just kill themselves.
Why do you think TERFs support doing it? Do you think they magically stopped being malicious?
As much as people meme the 41% I've heard their suicide rate isn't even close to that high.
How do you want to treat the ones who won't destransition then? Treating them like normal people normalizes it. Do you want that?
It's the rate of suicide attempt, not success. And kids and teens read online to threathen to kill themselves if they don't get "gender-affirming care" ASAP.
( Which is where the Trans activists claims that not transitioning kids "put their lives at risk" / "trans genocide" are comming from. They cause it. )
Are you a victim when you only did it because your deranged hatred for men made you believe if you don't, you'll be a rape victim?
It's not the same, you're making a false equivalence.
The TERFs laugh at male rape victims. They talk about throwing men in camps, about an innate desire to rape.
I could do anything short of call for mass murder and still have moral high ground over them.
It's just feminists screwing with statistics again.
I'll be vindicated on this, way after the fact.
You're insane.
How?
There's no systematic oppression of women, there's no societal push to deny them basic humanity.
Their fears are in their own heads, nowhere else.
Do you think young girls have an inherit deranged hatred of men, or is that taught to them? The author talks about it being taught to them.
Female in-group bias is innate.
That's not what I asked about. I asked about " deranged hatred of men." An in group bias is not the same as deranged hatred.
He believes that in group bias IS the deranged hatred.