It's still enabling baby murder, and we all know dems will sue until it's post birth abortion, so the whores can avoid responsibility for their actions.
Not even just women. I've known plenty of sorry excuses for men who support abortion because they don't want responsibility either. The big issues are honestly self-control and personal responsibility.
I really think that most people aren't actually capable of that, which is why they need a society that fosters it. Most people can't do it on their own and now we've ripped away every shred of community cohesiveness that would allow people to operate in a healthy manner so they're all just unraveling. We need a village but everyone's stuck in their own personal prison cell rotting away.
Takes 2 to tango, but I see where you're coming from.
In a man-woman relationship, the man needs to be the moral/ethical guide and exemplar. If some whore opens her legs for pretty much any man, the men who get involved with her need to exercise restraint or avoid involvement with sluts in the first place
It is worth keeping all the context in mind, sure. As it stands now, abortionists will sign off on anything regardless of the reason being valid or not. Yes, the legislature could pass a law defining it as only being "necessary" under certain circumstances. But even then it still is a blank check until viability.
The fact of the matter is they took a state that had a fairly restricted abortion scene and made it a lot less restricted. That's a loss no matter how you slice it, even if it isnt the absolute worst case. It is not a loss for the until birth feminists because they clawed back significant ground in a red state by turning out in droves. This is why constitutional amendments should not be left up to simple democratic majority vote.
Tell me you didn't read the amendment like all the other Republicans...:
"Always allow an unborn child to be aborted at any stage of pregnancy, regardless of viability if, in the treating physician's determination, the abortion is necessary to protect the pregnant woman's life or health."
Viability is irrelevant. "Health" is wildly vague. Ohio just cleared Abortion On Demand and the Republicans voted for it.
How do they determine viability though? If it's just a doctor's call they'll just find some abortionist doctor to claim that a baby 1 week out from delivery is "unviable".
probably have to use a number of days/weeks widely accepted by the medical community based on studies, but you aren't wrong that without strict definitions it will be abused
I disagree. We just saw the utility in this because a popular constitutional amendment over-turned a bad Supreme Court decision in 2020. It's not a great system, but I'll take any judicial accountability over none. If the people are gonna have to learn the hard way, then let them.
I don't see why the legislature couldn't have done that. Frankly the power of a single court system to direct and shift culture for an entire state/nation is a different fundamental problem, and letting a popular amendment override a court decision is a weird hack to get around it. I suppose most mechanisms of government are merely half-baked trade-offs taping over the other problems that government caused.
That would be nice, but it would require a significant change in how judicial overturn works, and how the legislature could be made more accountable. Right now, the legislature just can't. Ohio's ability to just have a popular petition to an amendment is a good tool for popular dissent against an establishment structure. Fundamentally, Ohio is a Republican establishment state, so unfortunately, this is working as intended. The fact that Republicans aren't interested in turning out is a full scale failure of their strategy.
We're on the same page of this is all half-baked trade-offs, but that's where we are at at the moment.
I would be happy to overturn Marbury v. Madison, but no one listens to me in normie world.
Mother thinks that giving birth at 9 months might aggravate her social anxiety? Congratulations: the mother's health is in danger.
Ohio Republicans just enshrined Abortion On Demand into the state constitution.
Low and Behold, establishment and neo-con Republicans are blaming Trump... somehow.
The Republican Party will kill itself to stop any dissident movement forward, and is prepared to support abortion at all levels than let a dissident moralism movement rise.
I say this as the Libertarian. Keep watching Sean Hanity, normies.
Are the Ohio courts going to apply this properly? I guess it's a moot point since they'll just ram through a post birth abortion amendment next year if this one doesn't accomplish its goal.
No left wing judge applies anything properly. So no.
They'll probably have to be another constitutional amendment in a couple years after Ohio does a few hundred 9 month abortions to the absolute astonishment of the Republicans watching Fox News and talking unironically about Nicki Haley that what they fucking voted for is the opposite of what they wanted
It's still enabling baby murder, and we all know dems will sue until it's post birth abortion, so the whores can avoid responsibility for their actions.
So much of our current dilemma really does circle back to simply holding women accountable doesn't it?
Not even just women. I've known plenty of sorry excuses for men who support abortion because they don't want responsibility either. The big issues are honestly self-control and personal responsibility.
I really think that most people aren't actually capable of that, which is why they need a society that fosters it. Most people can't do it on their own and now we've ripped away every shred of community cohesiveness that would allow people to operate in a healthy manner so they're all just unraveling. We need a village but everyone's stuck in their own personal prison cell rotting away.
Takes 2 to tango, but I see where you're coming from.
In a man-woman relationship, the man needs to be the moral/ethical guide and exemplar. If some whore opens her legs for pretty much any man, the men who get involved with her need to exercise restraint or avoid involvement with sluts in the first place
Women not being held accountable? My my, what has this happened??
It is worth keeping all the context in mind, sure. As it stands now, abortionists will sign off on anything regardless of the reason being valid or not. Yes, the legislature could pass a law defining it as only being "necessary" under certain circumstances. But even then it still is a blank check until viability.
The fact of the matter is they took a state that had a fairly restricted abortion scene and made it a lot less restricted. That's a loss no matter how you slice it, even if it isnt the absolute worst case. It is not a loss for the until birth feminists because they clawed back significant ground in a red state by turning out in droves. This is why constitutional amendments should not be left up to simple democratic majority vote.
The good news is that medical advancement will result in viability becoming earlier, severely reducing the window.
Tell me you didn't read the amendment like all the other Republicans...:
Viability is irrelevant. "Health" is wildly vague. Ohio just cleared Abortion On Demand and the Republicans voted for it.
Celebrate your abortions, idiots.
Yup, the woman will just say she might consider suicide if the baby stays and that'll be all that is needed to kill it.
Yeah, I didn't because I was always voting against it
How do they determine viability though? If it's just a doctor's call they'll just find some abortionist doctor to claim that a baby 1 week out from delivery is "unviable".
probably have to use a number of days/weeks widely accepted by the medical community based on studies, but you aren't wrong that without strict definitions it will be abused
They get a lot of tries at saving babies at the edge of viability. they know when they are successful or no.
Nothing should. Except maybe who you want to run your HOA or little league team.
I disagree. We just saw the utility in this because a popular constitutional amendment over-turned a bad Supreme Court decision in 2020. It's not a great system, but I'll take any judicial accountability over none. If the people are gonna have to learn the hard way, then let them.
I don't see why the legislature couldn't have done that. Frankly the power of a single court system to direct and shift culture for an entire state/nation is a different fundamental problem, and letting a popular amendment override a court decision is a weird hack to get around it. I suppose most mechanisms of government are merely half-baked trade-offs taping over the other problems that government caused.
That would be nice, but it would require a significant change in how judicial overturn works, and how the legislature could be made more accountable. Right now, the legislature just can't. Ohio's ability to just have a popular petition to an amendment is a good tool for popular dissent against an establishment structure. Fundamentally, Ohio is a Republican establishment state, so unfortunately, this is working as intended. The fact that Republicans aren't interested in turning out is a full scale failure of their strategy.
We're on the same page of this is all half-baked trade-offs, but that's where we are at at the moment.
I would be happy to overturn Marbury v. Madison, but no one listens to me in normie world.
or health is a big deal
Mother thinks that giving birth at 9 months might aggravate her social anxiety? Congratulations: the mother's health is in danger.
Ohio Republicans just enshrined Abortion On Demand into the state constitution.
Low and Behold, establishment and neo-con Republicans are blaming Trump... somehow.
The Republican Party will kill itself to stop any dissident movement forward, and is prepared to support abortion at all levels than let a dissident moralism movement rise.
I say this as the Libertarian. Keep watching Sean Hanity, normies.
Are the Ohio courts going to apply this properly? I guess it's a moot point since they'll just ram through a post birth abortion amendment next year if this one doesn't accomplish its goal.
No left wing judge applies anything properly. So no.
They'll probably have to be another constitutional amendment in a couple years after Ohio does a few hundred 9 month abortions to the absolute astonishment of the Republicans watching Fox News and talking unironically about Nicki Haley that what they fucking voted for is the opposite of what they wanted
Because they don't read.
"pregnant patient"
It basically puts it in the doctors' hands as far as I can tell.
The pro-abortionists will definitely sue over any restriction, arguing that the Constitution supersedes legislation.