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posted 2 years ago by Nevalotri 2 years ago by Nevalotri +23 / -0
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– lgbtqwtfbbq 19 points 2 years ago +19 / -0

You may want to read up on the Free State Project, which is an on-going attempt to do something like this at the state level in New Hampshire.

My understanding is that project has been modestly successful, but it's been going on for something like 20 years and involved a lot of true believers moving across the country to New Hampshire to try to make it work with no guarantee it would.

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– LinkR 18 points 2 years ago +18 / -0

The American people have been conditioned to believe in only the 2 party system. Any vote outside of the 2 is automaticly considered synonymous to not voting at all. The games been rigged for longer than you can imagine.

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– JustHereForTheSalmon 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

In everything but the smallest towns, these non-partisan races "by law" are still partisan as fuck, they just have to hide who is backing them.

Some asshole gave my old number to the DNC and my previous town was absolutely in play with 20 spam messages per fucking day, half of them smearing the Wuhyte Malez who didn't have endorsement from the unions and newspaper recommendations. Very very obvious.

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– when_we_win_remember 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Some people say it's inevitable with our voting system. I think of them as practical teams rather than ideological ones.

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– Assassin47 14 points 2 years ago +14 / -0

It's pretty easy you just file the paperwork declaring your candidacy under your desired party name and register with the FEC...

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– FrozeInFear 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

Creating a party might be fairly simple. Getting on a ballot is a bigger issue. Green and libertarian parties often struggle to stay on ballots, or get on at all, depending on the local election laws.

Ballot access is a continual problem for the Libertarian Party and other third party and independent candidates. Making any sweeping statement about the requirements for access is impossible given the dizzying array of state requirements for various offices, and that's part of the point and part of the problem: even understanding, much less complying with and successfully meeting, ballot access demands is a more than full-time job.
Tyler Harris, executive director of the national L.P, says in a phone interview that over $200,000 this year is likely to have to be expended by the national party alone toward ballot access efforts of various sorts, and in terms of morale and stress as well as cash, it's a "significant strain."

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– Piroko 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

I feel like in the past these other 3rd parties have gone about it the wrong way and focused on national elections.

Because of over-federalization of motivating issues.

Consider the Pirate Party. They had a good platform and plenty of enthusiasm, but their focus is essentially irrelevant to state and local government. On the other end of the spectrum, the Libertarian and Green parties are poorly managed and their platforms are schizophrenic.

There IS room for a center-right nativist populist party with a strong anti-corporate platform to eat the Republicans lunch, but it will will require decades to pull off, and like the current RSC-HFC civil war, there will be a point where it will be seen as an impediment to conservatism because it will be splitting the vote.

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– WeedleTLiar 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Muh vote splitting, lol

This has got to be the biggest issue I have with PP supporters; as though replacing Trudeau with Trudeau-Blue will help anything.

My stance is, every vote for a candidate you actually support is a message to the people who want your vote that they aren't doing enough.

A strategic vote to "kick out X" send the message that you can be tricked into voting against your interests if the opposition is awful enough.

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– SoctaticMethod1 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Extremely from what I see as an outsider, other countries may dissolve into two main parties and smaller parties surrounding them but Americans have conditioned to see everything as a 'YES/NO' answer for politics, when the answer is 'both parties are scum, you need more independents'.

The last guy that came close was Perot and after the Republicans tried to blame him for Bush's loss (not on he was gonna raise taxes) and the same happened with the Bull Moose party which actually dud split the vote and why we got Wilson (time machine assassination target no 1). That's the issue is any third party is accused of being a spoiler for the main two.

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– deleted 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0
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– SoctaticMethod1 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

That's better but breaking into state let alone national may be an immovable wall, because the main parties designed it that way.

The most successful one who did this was Trump but that was because he was well known beforehand, had lots of resources and charismatic to know how to play to an audience. And he just usurped the Republican presidency.

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– fauxgnaws 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

In the American system citizens vote for a slate of policies - the major negotiations happen between the voter and the parties. In many-party / proportional systems people vote for a party they like and that party then goes and negotiates with other parties and forms coalitions.

In the end compromises and deals have to be made, but in a parliamentary system you've delegated your negotiation power to party apparatchiks.

What is a Pirate Party's policy on abortion? They may not even tell you. What are they going to trade to keep VPNs legal? No idea.

Lots of Americans would vote for a Border Wall Party, but what other policies would the BWP have? Don't know. The more narrow the party is the more voters are abdicating all their other positions. The American system doesn't always produce the best results on a specific issue, like a border wall, but on the whole it represents voters better than proportional systems.

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– Ralt 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

The important part is to take over your local town, use whichever and whatever party allows you to do that easier.

Sign up to be a Democrat if that's the majority of the town, or vice versa.

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– MLGS 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Easy to start one, but you'll make no meaningful progress no matter what.

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– undecidedmask2 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Probably easier to do what that one representative did and lie about your jewish heritage, your Harvard degree and run as a Democrat and turn around the moment you get elected lol.

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– smokeypanda 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Regulatory capture made grassroots campaigning much more expensive.

Campaign Finance Reform

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– Norenia 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

At this point, you'd have to be THE most popular politician in the country and divide from the backstabbers in the party you ran on.

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– subbookkeeper 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

No idea but starting local and growing from there is how 3rd parties develop.

You have a realistic plan so it's probably better chances then normal.

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– Filo76 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

There have been 3rd parties that pop up from time to time. The reform party back in the 90’s was the most recent one I can think of. (Ross Perot).

The problem is they typically have no momentum and burn out since they are populist in nature. It’s hard to go against the two machines that are the Democrats and Republicans.

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– deleted 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

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