The fact of the matter is that the Israel + Palestine conflict is great for Israel to justify needing to aid and to boost their military spending, while the USA uses the conflict to help boost its military industrial complex.
Yep I read about it and I could only roll my eyes because it was ridiculous, basically every allies were warning Israel that there's going to be an attack yet they were and are so complacent, they keep repeating the history. This time unfortunately for them, I don't think this haphazard plan's going to work smoothly as before as Israel hopes. There's way more animosity towards Israel than ever before and as usual they are severely overestimating the patience of the goyims in the middle of financial recession arguably caused by their own elites among others.
And, though less justified, people are starting to realize that maybe 1930's Deutschland had a point. Not to mention how much taxpayer-funded aid gets sent Israel's way, and what do we get in return?
Oh, let's at least be consistent here. I'm critical of Israel too, but what happened to 'oh, that was the past' or 'might makes right?' In a hundred years, if Israel is still around, wouldn't they be just as 'legitimate' as, say, the United States is today?
Everyone took their land from someone. Saying Israel is illegitimate, but claiming other countries aren't, and everyone should just let bygones be bygones isn't being consistent.
Israel was founded in shitty ways, and has continued to do shitty stuff since then. Just like most other countries. But just by being there as a people, don't they have at least some right to continue to be there, and fight for their interests? For better or worse, they've carved out a country for themselves. Same goes for Palestine, for the record.
Not to mention Israel was founded in 1948. Three years AFTER it was decided that wars of territorial conquest were no longer legitimate acts and that people who tried them would be hung by the neck until dead.
Similar to Russia and Ukraine. Both sides are gay and full of faggotry. You’ll most likely find all kinds of corruption in both governments. I say we stay the fuck away, don’t fund anything, and wait for one of them to destroy the other.
They didn't ignore it, they performed the attack themselves. This is an identical situation to 9/11. They're gonna blame it on negligence, but they did it entirely on their own.
I rather doubt it. Not a complete impossibility, but pretty farfetched. I wouldn't be shocked to learn they'd funded some of the actors, but this wasn't Israelis attacking Israelis. Just like how 9/11 wasn't American suicide attackers.
That's fucking retarded. And that's really saying something considering how stupid most 9/11 conspiracies are.
In both cases, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor (which you spelled with a k); these were cases of wild-eyed negligence. And I'm one of those few people who can explain why Pearl Harbor was left vulnerable to attack, but it doesn't mean FDR wanted the to see reports that made it look like the entire US pacific fleet was destroyed. Had the IJN not acted with shocking levels of ill-disciplined targeting, the USN really could have been wiped out.
FFS, it's like claiming Stalin was just using Hitler to gain sympathy when their alliance turned into a full-scale invasion of the Soviet Union.
Genuine false flags are small to the point where their occurrence is in question. A single ship. A single radio station. A single artillery barrage. That's all that's needed for a casus belli. That's all that's ever been needed. Everything after that is just propaganda and spin.
But actually allowing a major enemy offensive to take place and cripple your defenses? That's pants on head retarded. No one does that.
I know that I have, and considering your propensity to shill for israel every single fucking time it comes up, I’m going to guess I’m the only one of the two between us.
Was it when I read them to you? Because I know you don't have the book.
Tell me, was that """"false flag"""" the one which dragged the US into the Six Day War?
Oh, wait, there was no US involvement in the Six Day war and it caused a major international incident, all because the Israelis actively refused to share information about Israeli actions... as if Israel doesn't control the US.
Honestly, there was enough actionable intelligence to respond to it, and there was enough time as well. We know the Navy, ONI, State Department, and FDR were well aware that a Carrier Strike Fleet had departed Japan and had been gone for so long that they had not appeared anywhere else in a timely manner, indicating they were headed for Wake Island, Hawaii, or Midway. No other targets take that long to get to, and there was no evidence it was a drill.
The State Department does admit to being all but fucking utterly smitten with the Japanese delegation who were making fake negotiations and peace deals up until Dec. 7th, so there's a possibility that the State Department didn't think there was a likely chance of attack... but that shows extreme negligence regarding the fact that a Carrier Fleet is on the move and hidden.
FDR absolutely tried multiple actions to provoke the IJN into a war, because geopolitically it seemed like it was a guarantee that Japan would have to stop immediately, or win immediately; and they didn't have the resources to just stop where they were without invading Australia.
Moving the entire fleet to Pearl Harbor was stupid, but there was a lot of intel that suggested the Navy would have spotted an attack far sooner than they could get to Pearl, and Pearl is one of the closest positions to the US that could have been attacked. Strategic analysis indicated Midway and Wake island were more likely... but that's not where the US Fleet was.
Putting the Pacific Fleet in one spot was only useful for rapid deployment, in the event of an attack, but everyone being in one spot is wildly dumb. You'd better have good surveillance... which the Navy didn't. They didn't send anywhere near enough scout planes to protect themselves. it was a mere fluke that the Carriers weren't docked, the Japanese intended to bomb them, but their luck wasn't high enough that day.
This tells us that the Roosevelt administration should have seen the attack coming, but they chose to ignore it. However, their stupidity is so devastating it could have destroyed them. If Japan had hit the ships they were targeting, hit the dry docks, hit the oil tankers, and hit the carriers; the USN would have been out of commission for over a year. And there was a moment in the Pacific where the US had one and only one functional carrier, so the odds were very close.
Japan played the State Department, but they failed to capitalize on an inconceivable opportunity.
This is what Israel does every time so they can get world favor for a reaction. The Yom Kippur War was the same thing.
https://www.haaretz.com/2014-10-05/ty-article/.premium/israel-had-enough-warning-before-1973-war/0000017f-e5e1-df2c-a1ff-fff1ea280000
The fact of the matter is that the Israel + Palestine conflict is great for Israel to justify needing to aid and to boost their military spending, while the USA uses the conflict to help boost its military industrial complex.
Yep I read about it and I could only roll my eyes because it was ridiculous, basically every allies were warning Israel that there's going to be an attack yet they were and are so complacent, they keep repeating the history. This time unfortunately for them, I don't think this haphazard plan's going to work smoothly as before as Israel hopes. There's way more animosity towards Israel than ever before and as usual they are severely overestimating the patience of the goyims in the middle of financial recession arguably caused by their own elites among others.
Because the West has LARGE numbers of pro hamas muslims
But big tech (like reddit) will likely censor any pro- palestine movement just like they did with the vaccine injured.
And, though less justified, people are starting to realize that maybe 1930's Deutschland had a point. Not to mention how much taxpayer-funded aid gets sent Israel's way, and what do we get in return?
Sounds like Israel's leadership has about the same level of competence as most of the rest of the western world.
So, an easily-avoided attack that was allowed to happen in order to gin up support for all out war? Sounds familiar.
Honestly, both Israel and Palestine have good claims to statehood. Just a shame there aren't 2 holy lands.
The jews should have gone to madagascar but their prophecies and egos made them demand Israel
Wherever a Jewish homeland was created it was going to end up displacing someone. Just wouldn't be Palastinians who got moved.
Oh, let's at least be consistent here. I'm critical of Israel too, but what happened to 'oh, that was the past' or 'might makes right?' In a hundred years, if Israel is still around, wouldn't they be just as 'legitimate' as, say, the United States is today?
Everyone took their land from someone. Saying Israel is illegitimate, but claiming other countries aren't, and everyone should just let bygones be bygones isn't being consistent.
Israel was founded in shitty ways, and has continued to do shitty stuff since then. Just like most other countries. But just by being there as a people, don't they have at least some right to continue to be there, and fight for their interests? For better or worse, they've carved out a country for themselves. Same goes for Palestine, for the record.
Not to mention Israel was founded in 1948. Three years AFTER it was decided that wars of territorial conquest were no longer legitimate acts and that people who tried them would be hung by the neck until dead.
nitter https://nitter.net/ggreenwald/status/1711396130209083421
Similar to Russia and Ukraine. Both sides are gay and full of faggotry. You’ll most likely find all kinds of corruption in both governments. I say we stay the fuck away, don’t fund anything, and wait for one of them to destroy the other.
Malice and incompetence are equally plausible these days.
They didn't ignore it, they performed the attack themselves. This is an identical situation to 9/11. They're gonna blame it on negligence, but they did it entirely on their own.
I rather doubt it. Not a complete impossibility, but pretty farfetched. I wouldn't be shocked to learn they'd funded some of the actors, but this wasn't Israelis attacking Israelis. Just like how 9/11 wasn't American suicide attackers.
9/11 was done entirely by the CIA and mossad. Bin Laden had literally nothing to do with it.
That's fucking retarded. And that's really saying something considering how stupid most 9/11 conspiracies are.
In both cases, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor (which you spelled with a k); these were cases of wild-eyed negligence. And I'm one of those few people who can explain why Pearl Harbor was left vulnerable to attack, but it doesn't mean FDR wanted the to see reports that made it look like the entire US pacific fleet was destroyed. Had the IJN not acted with shocking levels of ill-disciplined targeting, the USN really could have been wiped out.
FFS, it's like claiming Stalin was just using Hitler to gain sympathy when their alliance turned into a full-scale invasion of the Soviet Union.
Genuine false flags are small to the point where their occurrence is in question. A single ship. A single radio station. A single artillery barrage. That's all that's needed for a casus belli. That's all that's ever been needed. Everything after that is just propaganda and spin.
But actually allowing a major enemy offensive to take place and cripple your defenses? That's pants on head retarded. No one does that.
Remember the Liberty, shill
Hey fag, which of us have read the transcripts from the pilots who fired on the Liberty?
I know that I have, and considering your propensity to shill for israel every single fucking time it comes up, I’m going to guess I’m the only one of the two between us.
Was it when I read them to you? Because I know you don't have the book.
Tell me, was that """"false flag"""" the one which dragged the US into the Six Day War?
Oh, wait, there was no US involvement in the Six Day war and it caused a major international incident, all because the Israelis actively refused to share information about Israeli actions... as if Israel doesn't control the US.
Oh yeah, because after they succeeded in killing 200 sailors they were TOTALLY going to admit to that, and not just blame it on the muzzies.
TOTALLY dude
You ignorant fuck, you don't know anything about this either!
Israel never blamed Egypt for the strike. They admitted to the strike immediately and tried to dispatch rescue helos to the ship.
I’m genuinely curious as to why Pearl Harbor was able to happen.
Honestly, there was enough actionable intelligence to respond to it, and there was enough time as well. We know the Navy, ONI, State Department, and FDR were well aware that a Carrier Strike Fleet had departed Japan and had been gone for so long that they had not appeared anywhere else in a timely manner, indicating they were headed for Wake Island, Hawaii, or Midway. No other targets take that long to get to, and there was no evidence it was a drill.
The State Department does admit to being all but fucking utterly smitten with the Japanese delegation who were making fake negotiations and peace deals up until Dec. 7th, so there's a possibility that the State Department didn't think there was a likely chance of attack... but that shows extreme negligence regarding the fact that a Carrier Fleet is on the move and hidden.
FDR absolutely tried multiple actions to provoke the IJN into a war, because geopolitically it seemed like it was a guarantee that Japan would have to stop immediately, or win immediately; and they didn't have the resources to just stop where they were without invading Australia.
Moving the entire fleet to Pearl Harbor was stupid, but there was a lot of intel that suggested the Navy would have spotted an attack far sooner than they could get to Pearl, and Pearl is one of the closest positions to the US that could have been attacked. Strategic analysis indicated Midway and Wake island were more likely... but that's not where the US Fleet was.
Putting the Pacific Fleet in one spot was only useful for rapid deployment, in the event of an attack, but everyone being in one spot is wildly dumb. You'd better have good surveillance... which the Navy didn't. They didn't send anywhere near enough scout planes to protect themselves. it was a mere fluke that the Carriers weren't docked, the Japanese intended to bomb them, but their luck wasn't high enough that day.
This tells us that the Roosevelt administration should have seen the attack coming, but they chose to ignore it. However, their stupidity is so devastating it could have destroyed them. If Japan had hit the ships they were targeting, hit the dry docks, hit the oil tankers, and hit the carriers; the USN would have been out of commission for over a year. And there was a moment in the Pacific where the US had one and only one functional carrier, so the odds were very close.
Japan played the State Department, but they failed to capitalize on an inconceivable opportunity.