Needed to make this a main post for the sake of visibility, but in general, I think reset the clock did a lot more damage than help, because of the fact that people believe that the only reason you could ever be against a certain thing, is because you’re engaging in it yourself, when we know for a fact that isn’t the case.
To be specific, it is very much possible to be against loli/shota porn and not be an IRL predator. People like Ableist forget that, while I’m not against it existing per se, I understand why certain places would ban it altogether, and I would actually like for Ableist or anyone else to actually post the specific places where “governments ban loli/shota porn and waste police resources” where people have actually been arrested for the sole possession of that fictional content, because as much as you say that, I’ve never seen it. Unless that’s like a European thing, I’ve generally never heard of that before.
I just don’t get why some people don’t understand why the average person thinks that someone who jerks off to loli/shota porn isn’t right in the head.
I think the key thing is in the call to ban certain media or label those that consume it, the degrees of fictionality are often overlooked. Let me explain:
Written stories: Don't give the slightest of fuck, you can write whatever you want, an underage child orgy like Steven King did in IT, it's written, no one was harmed in making it I just don't spend money on it.
Drawn/computer drawn: same as above, don't care, if I don't click with the story then I just won't view it.
Using actors: Now HERE'S where you get me possibly chiming in, it's a lot more disturbing for me because, regardless of props and effects so everyone is safe, using real people for certain things can be disturbing. It's why I don't watch the Saw franchise, I don't like 'gore porn'. Then there's the actors themselves like with Cuties, having REAL 11 year olds do that should've never happened.
Real (torture/execution videos etc): this one depends on content, I watched a few of the security footage of mass shootings to know what happened but then for that New Zealand shooter I read a manuscript of the video than watch it.
When people instead of not viewing, advocate for banning everything above actors being involved, that's an ideological judgement since your saying fictional content takes precedence OVER media using real people. That a lot of the vocal and public personalities advocating this also indulge in things that harm actual children shows that their values are inverted that they believe what's fictional should be restrained but what they do in reality shouldn't.
You can not like Loli/Shota stuff and just not view it, unlike drag queen story hour, it's not being shoved in your face just like I dislike gore for the sake of gore. I wouldn't use the average person/normies as a bench mark for 'morality' though as this is what I think of the average person
I second this attitude. I think there are too many people wanting things set based on their personal preference rather than just saying “this isn’t for me” and moving on. Obviously, it is different on real people, but much like you I am very much anything goes on drawn or written work.
To go with my own example, I am not generally a fan of skimpy outfit looks. I find chainmail bikinis to be an active turn-off and consider looks like this to be vastly more appealing to me in terms of turn-ons. I am not going to demand everything meet my standard, and I am not going to say someone is a perv if they like the chainmail bikini look.
The Brenton Tarrant video looks like nothing. Like a Doom Game . You think it would be gorier, and maybe it was IRL.
That was less for gore more because of the guy himself. Everything from the way he decorated his gun to saying 'subscribe to pewdiepie' before going on to gun down people made watching it feel...dirty like I was easily playing into his hands giving him views.
A manuscript had enough distance to not give me that feeling.
All the copies I've seen of it are potato so that might have had something to do with it.
"Reset the clock" is simply a statement of observation. Here is a long thread of reset the clock moments. https://archive.md/U23XK
Awww, they didn't even use the best reset the clock for Dr Pizza. I get it's about anime specifically, but Dr Pizza's best moment was calling the pizzagate people insane conspiracy theorists, and laughing at the idea that "pizza" could be some sort of code...then Dr Pizza, well, you know the rest.
That's because people still like to treat pizzagate as this massive delusion of insane people, so any acknowledgement of it that isn't pure derision will be met with hatred.
Like, the narrative shift against pizzagate was probably one of the most effective I've ever seen. People who believe nothing the media or government says still ate their lines about pizzagate being a giant nothingburger totally and utterly.
No one has ever explained any of the massive smoke that led to it of course. They just focus on the few assumed fires and disprove them, and then pretend the smoke was equally as fabricated.
It's because the fandom, just like the furries, tends to be really fucking annoying both about their fetish and in general. You also have an ideation of a child that you would fuck, which carries with it a number of concerning implications considering the absolute nightmare fuel (if we're carrying the comparison) that manifests between furfags and their own dogs - the details of which at least 1 in 3 are almost unapologetic in discussing. "DOGS CAN CONSENT GUYS!" is not a controversial statement among them and I can hardly imagine the loli/shota community being particularly rigid against pedophilia by comparison.
While I wouldn't condone arresting someone on the basis that they look at loli or shota, I would rather it be contained in whatever online Weimar Republic it crawled out of and I am not exactly chomping at the bit to defend these people either. They spammed our boards with their shit for years so my thoughts are approximately "I don't know, but fuck em." and I have very little reason to change my mind. You're not a canary in the coal mine, you're a rat in the shithouse. You should know this and the limitations of being a rat.
If furries were rounded up and set on fire tomorrow I don't think I would move an inch. That should tell you what I think about this whole topic.
I think it still puts children into a sexual situation for the purpose of beating off to and you can't really avoid the stigma.
That describes the troons to a tee, and considering their habit of touching children I don't think that "less likely to do anything to a kid IRL" is an accurate statement.
I'd help set the furries and lolicons on fire
While I agree with your point, most places these days I see the "topic" brought up considerably more by people ranting and raving against it than any actual fetish consumers. It was certainly more spammed in the past, but now its almost contained to dark corners (where it belongs) while crusaders scream about it constantly.
I rant against the users because like furries being in denial about being animal fuckers; lolicons insist they're not pedophiles. Both groups are determined to pretend there's nothing wrong with it
It's like this - if we're not talking about it we're not talking about it. I don't wake up in a cold sweat thinking about people looking at cartoon cp, it's just not topical.
But you got these very insistent fellas like AbleistSL who every week or so come here and try to get us to take up arms on behalf of said cartoon cp because he got banned somewhere else this time.
It gets old. I hold a bit of an enmity because I would like to unlearn the word "cunny" from years of spammers in my own dark corners, but that's just me.
I spent a long time being a /b/tard before I ever came to the original KIA, so to me all the "cunny" posters these days are so milquetoast compared to what the spam used to be that they don't even register most of the time. I'm more morally disgusted by brap-fags, but that's purely visceral.
I also don't spend time really thinking about it unless its brought up, but the big "All porn is evil" push is ramping up heavily and its always hanging on that topic somewhere.
This is true, however, it has a type of infantilization factor to it that just makes me want to slap the faggot out of some of these people. Likewise, my distaste is visceral. There is something about a communal attempt to push it and give this shit speakeasies that allows me to think the way I do.
Other things I can block out of my mind because they were intended to shock, like I've seen some legit rancid posts out there - a grown man shitting on a baby is one of them and that isn't even the worst by a stretch. Believe you me I have regretted a lot of things that I have clicked on. There are people who will rain actual cp on your boards and there is fuckall you can do about it.
I'm somewhere between two worlds on this. Honestly I haven't liked porn for years. It's all pretty much the same shit and when you pick it apart you begin to see that you, the viewer, are the cuck.
There's a difference between being against something, being apathetic to something, and being an activist campaigning against something. There's also a difference between projection and protest. But overlap does exist.
If someone said "I hate spiders, they are creepy", they probably hate spiders. If they said "Spiders are awful, with how they sexually seduce all of us with their sexy spider legs!", and held a protest once a month against the concept of spider legs, I'd be a bit more inclined to question their worldview in terms of projection. Same protest, both against spiders, and neither supporting them in any way, but the second one is clearly off. Real-life examples aren't as obviously clear-cut, but you can often still distinguish the difference.
"I don't like stories featuring tweenage men because it does not appeal to me. I am not its market." is a face-value statement. "I don't like stories featuring tweenage men because it makes me think sexy thoughts, which disturbs me, the stories/images are disturbing" is a less face-value statement.
The statement of like or dislike is ultimately unimportant. The why is the core element. The "why" is what makes up the projection. I am generally against things that harm living (or recently-living) humans. I am generally apathetic towards things that do not harm living (or recently-living) humans. Others have very different worldviews than me, and might say the exact same line, but define "harm", "recently", or "human" in very different ways than I do.
In example, I do not consider a drawing to be a human, and do not consider exploding said drawing to be "harm". But someone else may think that viewing an explosion in a video game hurts real-life living humans. Neither are projection at that point. But if someone says they don't want violence in video games because (the "why") seeing someone get shot in a game makes the viewer want to shoot people in real life... They should probably seek mental health help.
It's just to point that the "virtuous social justice people on the right side of history" is a bunch of hypocrites
Ah, another of my favorite topics. I'll just sit over here and watch the dumpster fire.
Where'd I leave those marshmallows?
Reads a little like a vague post. I don't know who this is in reference to but don't forget that intentionally misunderstanding something is a time honored tradition of Internet rhetoric.
/u/AbleistSL
arachnophobic, huh? you must secretly want to fuck spiders
there's two choices regarding this shit: either most of the people here are hedonists just pretending to be counter-culture while also wanting to engage in the great leftist tradition of salivating over children, or the people 24/7 defending child porn (From Japan) are paid to do so.
i see no other explanation to why this forum has a million good ideas and then goes "yeah, we all wanna jack it to kids and also die for other people's rights to jack it to kids."
It's mostly this one, except it's less that they're pretending and more that reality is gradually forcing us to recognize that there's something to this "sexual morality" thing. The majority of Gamergate/Kotakuinaction could not be described as "right wing" or "religious" when it started - more like a bunch of materialist nerds and tech people - but they're getting dragged along by the tides all the same, so conflict is inevitable.
Frankly it's still surprising to me that we went from celebrating Obergefell (SCOTUS legalizing gay marriage) to debating the harmfulness of porn. One time in halfKiA a guy threatened to shoot me if I ever "came to take his fleshlight away."
Nice to know their moderation has kept the crazies out!
If they're anything like Power Bottom Supreme (thanks for that one, I'm stealing it) their definition of "crazies" is far different than ours.
This forum throws out all common sense and goes full leftist retard whenever it comes to anything even remotely connected to Japan and its shit modern culture.
Stupid idiots don't realize they sound just like the same leftists they supposedly spend all day dunking on on these boards, saying you must be a closeted pedo if you condemn child porn drawn by socially deprived japanese hermits, supposedly because it's akschually not real cp, it's digital, just like the leftists coping when they say ''homophobes'' are actually closeted homos. 99% of the things the left spews out gets condemned here, but the moment this topic and porn in general get brought up, then it's a ''discussion'', a ''slippery slope'', and eventually some here unironically start with the ''live and let live''/''if it doesn't bother me'' and ''muh freedoms'' boomer talks. This is why I to a degree respect Imp, he has his stances, regardless of how deranged some might be, but he is consistent and sticks to them, you'll never see Imp give a woman a pass even if one was to for once do something good.
The "right wing" parties areabout as right as engels half the time. Big government neocons aren't actually right wing. Right wing authoritarianism is a contradiction - you can't be both.
The modern horseshoe political scale is propagandist bullshit. An objective measure of political ideology does not indulge in cultural relativism - extreme right wing ideology is not "auth but OUR guy". An accurate scale has anarchism as the right wing end and authoritarianism is the left wing end, and every ideology fits on that scale somewhere.
It also doesn't perpetuate the horseshit that nazis are right wing.
The only problem is that people cannot comprehend the gulf between "this isn't right and you should be shunned and mocked for it" and "this isn't right, so it should be banned."
Because any law or banning of things like "loli/shota" will only be used to crack down and hurt irrelevant and innocent people due to its undefinable and vague nature. The same way that many other "moral code" laws were used in the past, and the way the current law for it is literally "you know it when you see it bro."
People however cannot get over the fact that something they find morally reprehensible (validly) is allowed to exist, without running to Daddy Government to make it go away. Even on the Right. They can't handle it themselves, because often times their arguments are so poorly done they get rolled by fucking weeaboos jerking off. They can't just fucking shun and be cautious of a problem person, that's too much responsibility. They need someone else to rush in and remove that person from society, so they can get that sweet dopamine hit of being super upright and moral person while they have done nothing to actually help a real victim of anything.
Basically, fuck the government, bully coomers.
I find it's the pedophiles that can't distinguish between the two even when it's explicitly said. They'll start whining about how other people want that as if they know that admitting it's pedophilia would bring governmental action even though that's not what I've called for
Being against something is one thing, but being obsessed to the point of entering "doth protest too much" territory like the male feminists wrt to rape is something else. I don't know which one describes Ableist's antagonists, but it's worth noting that a lot of sexual deviants (like male feminists and troons) use the pretense of opposition as a vehicle for projection.
The lolisho community just wants to crush the subhuman retards who support controversial government bans and spread extremely defamatory rumors about pedophilia and CP possession.
Here is a post about the negative effects of South Korea charging lolisho like it's CP, and it should also be noted the country has issues with sex trafficking: https://media.kotakuinaction2.win/post/sb77NvWWjzkj.png
Haven’t been able to comment myself because busy with work, but just in general, I think that there’s too many things that make this topic so inflammatory the moment, but I will say that I don’t necessarily think it matters that Eri from My Hero Academia has gigantic eyes and is fictional, the fact that Eri is underage means that if people find porn of her, that’s gonna set some people off pretty damn badly, as imo “a human is a human”, as fictional media has a lot more influence than people think, or else the Long March Through The Institutions would’ve been for no reason at all whatsoever.
From observation I saw more pedos be anti loli and shota than just normal people. People won't like it but it isn't hurting any real human. Pedos on the other hand hate it for some reason and I cannot wrap my head around why.
They don't hate it... it's just safe for them to profess hate in public because it makes them sound anti-CP and nobody's going to check.
They seem to be the most vocal about it, the whole reset the clock also works for the anti lolis turning out to be sexual predators. Maybe it's just deflection of their own deviancy.
It likely creates some kind of disphoria in them, seeing people who are just... let's say "weird", being perfectly fine while they're fucked up in the head, in a situation that is, loosely speaking, somewhat adjacent to them. You say you liked the Negima manga, and they'll go "but those girls with full-time jobs, giant racks, and propensity to wax about nihilist philosophy were only officially 15! Why doesn't everyone hate you like they hate me?"
Bro come on lol.
That's fine lol. You didn't say anything that rose to the level of being wrong.
That would explain why troons are so opposed to it.
They also hate anything cute cuz they will never be.