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Microsoft wants to buy Nintendo (archive.ph)
posted 2 years ago by altmehere 2 years ago by altmehere +46 / -0
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– altmehere [S] 47 points 2 years ago +47 / -0

"I've had numerous conversations with the LT of Nintendo about tighter collaboration and feel like if any US company would have a chance with Nintendo we are probably in the best position. The unfortunate (or fortunate for Nintendo) situation is that Nintendo is sitting on a big pile of cash, they have a [board of directors] that until recently has not pushed for further increases in market growth or stock appreciation.

"I say "until recently" as our former MS BoD member ValueAct has been heavily acquiring shares of Nintendo and I've kept in touch with [ValueAct CEO] Mason Morfit as he's been acquiring. It's likely he will be pushing for more from Nintendo stock which could create opportunities for us.

"Without that catalyst I don't see an angle to a near term mutually agreeable merger of Nintendo and MS and I don't think a hostile action would be a good move so we are playing the long game. But our BoD has seen the full writeup on Nintendo (and Valve) and they are fully supportive on either if opportunity arises as am I."

This isn’t capitalism, it’s government-created oligopoly cancer.

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– Assassin47 34 points 2 years ago +34 / -0

...I don't think a hostile action would be a good move so we are playing the long game.

So just manipulate global finance to gradually weaken the Japanese economy while scoring ESG points and acquiring practically zero-interest loans until you're in a position to take them over. EZ.

I still need to read Princes of the Yen.

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– deleted 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0
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– Michalusmichalus 20 points 2 years ago +20 / -0

They need to block him from buying shares.

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– TheRealLiszt 15 points 2 years ago +15 / -0

Typical Microsoft strategy for decades: embrace, extend, and extinguish.

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– SparkMandrill83 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

EA too

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– KingLion7 14 points 2 years ago +14 / -0

Capitalism died a long time ago.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Nintendo is sitting on a big pile of cash, they have a [board of directors] that until recently has not pushed for further increases in market growth or stock appreciation.

Based honorable Japanese rejecting the infinite growth Western bullshit ideology

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– SoctaticMethod1 38 points 2 years ago +38 / -0

Of course THEY want to have Nintendo, they'd want Sony if they could straight up buy them

But if I remember right, Nintendo have a war chest so large that they'd laugh in the face of any attempt at buying them. They also have franchises doing extremely well compared to the failures of other studios and have a stranglehold on the Japanese Market where Microsoft failed to gain a significant foothold.

This sounds like either and intern fucked up a leak they were supposed to do or gaming media trying to stir some drama for clicks. Either way the response will be the same from Nintendo: "lol!"

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– Strike08 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

Didn't Microsoft offer to buy Nintendo in the past and Nintendo execs laughed them out of the room.

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– SoctaticMethod1 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

I think so, they've had a huge war chest for DECADES and are happy being in their niche than expanding and consuming.

Turns out, excellent strategy as they're equal with Microsoft surviving another gaming recession.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

They were literally laughed out of the room.

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– Frux7 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Yes. That was just before the first Xbox.

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– Piroko 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

But if I remember right, Nintendo have a war chest so large that they'd laugh in the face of any attempt at buying them.

They also have Master Trust Bank as as 17% owner. So while they're not actually part of the Mitsubishi Group, they're distantly related, in the same way that Sony is distantly related to Sumitomo.

If a hostile takeover was attempted, Nintendo would simply call in support from on high and buy back their foreign held shares. The Keiretsu do not let go of their shit.

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– Frux7 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

You seem to know a lot about this. What’s the deal with Sony and insurance? I remember hearing back during the PS3 days that insurance was Sony’s biggest money maker.

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– Piroko 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Okay let's start at the very high level.

What Are Keiretsu?

Keiretsu are massive vertically and horizontally integrated Japanese business groups, each of which is consolidated around a private bank, some of which can trace their lineages back to the familial Zaibatsu of Meiji era Japan. The big six horizontal Keiretsu are DKB, Fuyo, Mitsubishi, Mitsui, Sanwa, and Sumitomo, although of those, Mitsubishi and Sumitomo, along with Mizuho Financial, are really the most powerful.

Then there are the newer vertical keiretsu, most of which deal in modern manufacturing like Honda and Hitachi and really grew out of the war or postwar era. Although 7&i Holdings (literally 7-11, as in the C-store chain) is also getting big enough to be counted among them (much like how Walmart and Amazon are the elephant in the room in the US).

So what about Sony?

Sony is reckoned among the vertical keiretsu. Like all their peers, they have a private bank, Sony Financial Group, which holds over 14 trillion yen in assets (almost half the total worth of Sony Group) and includes Sony Bank and Sony Life. SFG is somewhere around 10-20% of the total Sony Group revenues, so it's entirely possible that in some years, they could potentially be the leading component (ahead of the various individual entertainment and electronics companies in the group).

Where it gets even more complicated is that the horizontal keiretsu usually have their claws in the vertical ones, and are possessive of what's "theirs" even when they don't own enough to bring them into their group. Sony is effectively in the orbit of Sumitomo, while Nintendo is in the orbit of Mitsubishi, as is Square Enix.

Anyway, you would really have to go down deep into Sony group's financials to be sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if during the early loss-leader days of the PS3, that Sony Interactive Entertainment was probably not looking so hot compared to its peers in the group. But the whole point of the group being built around a central private bank is that they can do that sort of stuff without having to deal with activist investors complaining about the short term consequences to shareholder value. They can play the strategic long game.

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– subbookkeeper 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Insurance (and business in general) works very differently in Japan than in the west.

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– The_Mad_Draklor 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Nintendo substantially boosted its liquidity over the past year. Not to mention, the rumored Nintendo Cinematic Universe may be another lucrative revenue stream under its portfolio.

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– SoctaticMethod1 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

I mean Mario film was a success, Halo wasn't. And technically Pokemon are under their umbrella and well, we see how that prints money regardless of which media and format it is on...

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– Frux7 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

The war chest doesn’t even matter. The Japanese government would never approve this. Same thing with the French government and Ubisoft.

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– deleted 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0
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– Michalusmichalus 19 points 2 years ago +19 / -0

The Nintendo employees will all quit. They get treated 1000x better than Microsoft.

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– The_Mad_Draklor 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

Nintendo’s top brass will actually dock their own pay to make sure their employees stay.

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– Michalusmichalus 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Exactly

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 19 points 2 years ago +19 / -0

Some investors are demanding Nintendo do things it shouldn't. Nintendo is figuring out how to stop them.

On the other hand, I can see Microsoft releasing XBox games on a Nintendo Console.

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– LauriThorne 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

They already have, Minecraft Legends is an Xbox Studios game on Switch and there a couple of others.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Now imagine Halo. I don't see word or Encarta getting released on a switch anytime soon.

Though now I want Encarta on the switch.

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– LauriThorne 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The issue with Halo on the switch is that, like LA Noire, the game is too big to fit on the built in hard drive.

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– Kienan 18 points 2 years ago +18 / -0

Peace was never an option.

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– Ender910 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

Stupidly bad idea, HOWEVER, the email is dated from 2020, so I doubt this is still in the works at all.

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– Raos044 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

This is exactly why Nintendo is so overprotective with its IP. Everyone wants a piece of their pie and is looking for even a small chink in their armor.

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

And that's just the legal threats they have to deal with.

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– MLGS 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Luckily, the Japanese have a different slant when it comes to business. I doubt we'll be seeing any slopes in their stock price any time soon.

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– Cyberguy64 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Good luck with that.

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– Vebent 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

There was a huge ordeal between the FTC and Microsoft when Microsoft wanted to buy Activision. The EU also put limitations on that merger. I can’t see Microsoft purchasing being successful at all outside of the Nintendo execs laughing at Microsoft out of the board room.

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– deleted 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0
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– peterbeater 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Oh god plz no

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– alucard13mmfmj 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Gotta respect nintendo. Minimum or no mtx on their main games. Company is like 90% male workers (probably the 10% female is mostly from the shit usa office). Still gay and diversity stuff, but only some stuff.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

The Biden regime has been good on combating monopolies, I'm hoping that they will block this.

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– deleted 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

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