The cases against him are obvious hokum, but since when has that mattered? If the government wants to destroy you, it will succeed. Now, if you're lucky, rich and young - you might be able to spend 20 years trying to clear you name, and then (and even that has only occurred in non-political cases) belatedly succeed. Trump does not have that sort of time - he's old and morbidly obese.
There is a second cope that people will see through the fact that these cases are hokum - as little as that would help him. While that is not impossible (and Trump has defied political gravity many times before), there is an equal - if not greater - possibility that enough people will be swayed by the indictments against him. "I'm voting for the guy who doesn't have 79 indictments against him" is a reasonable statement if you live in a country with a rule of law and isonomia, which many people imagine they live in.
There is a silver lining. The first generation of reformer never succeeds - think the Gracchi brothers - and often comes to grief. The regime has here put itself in a lose-lose position. Imagine if they get what they want, and Trump is convicted and is sent to prison until he dies. They still lose, because they lose the fig-leaf of republican legitimacy, and had to behave in openly banana republican ways - permanently alienating the 30-40% of die-hard Trump supporters. It does not matter, you say, but it does - that's why both the regime and even openly autocratic states try to retain legitimacy for their power and their elections.
If they lose, and Trump is re-elected, it's more obvious why they will lose. This is a man they could have easily won over with a little bit of flattery and just by not being obnoxious (cf. Lindsey Graham and Mike Pompeo). Instead, they have made him lust for their blood, and God help them if he ever is re-elected. Here too they are in a lose-lose - either he will use the powers of the presidency to crush them, or the impotence of the presidency itself will be exposed. Both rather undesirable situations for the regime. Which is why I think they've gone to such desperate measures, and may even resort to assassination as happened to the Gracchi - and they'd get the same result in sowing the seeds of their own destruction just as the Optimates did.
None of this is to suggest "giving up", because I think everyone has an obligation to fight for what is right regardless of the circumstances.
The incitements are just harassment campaigns and distractions to take eyes away from Keeping Up With the Bidens. Not to mention that even if Trump was put in prison, he'd still have to have his Secret Service personnel in the cells next to him.
Go be a Black Pilled Bitch somewhere else.
"a reasonable statement if you live in a country with a rule of law and isonomia"
See paragraph 3 and 4.
If they wanted to arrange to have Trump stabbed in prison, that would happen. If they wanted to keep him safe, that would happen.
In that case, it means that anyone who wishes for Trump's safety should announce that anything that happens to him is 100% their responsibility.
I seem to recall a certain empire trying that at some point in the past. I just wish I could remember the details of how that played out because I could've sworn it didn't end well for them.
Fucking foreigners man.
Someone should have told the Taliban.
The DC judge is fanatical. Julie Kelly says she is the worst in DC. She has imprisoned thousands of innocent jan 6th protesters in solitary confinement.
This is the key point. She's been the DOJ's hatchet woman in the J6 cases, and she's already complained about Trump "not being held accountable". She's already decided to fry him, and it would be malpractice for Trump's lawyers not to try to get her kicked off the case.
Its my understanding that it is the judge HERSELF who decides this motion to recuse herself…
Initially yes, but I think the chief judge can review a denial of the motion. It's probably futile in a swamp like the DC district court, but the real point would be to preserve the issue for appeal and hope for an honest panel or a willingness by SCOTUS to take up the case.
The best case scenario would be change in venue, but that's a heavy lift and even if he got it there's no way the case would be heard in West Virginia as Trump wants. It would either by in Maryland or Virginia. Maryland has similar problems to DC, but probably to a lesser extent. Virginia is a little more hopeful, but what complicates that is there are 2 federal districts in Virginia, and I don't know which one would get the case, or if either one could guarantee a fair trial. It can't get any worse than DC though, so they have nothing to lose by trying.
It would be the Eastern District, which is where the DC suburbs lie. NoVa is just as swampy as DC itself so I don't think he'd be any better off.
Yeah I mean this case should have been dismissed as soon as the judge laid eyes on it. Not only did that not happen, the judge is already entertaining (by not immediately denying) absurd motions put forth by the dirty commie prosecutor.
Yes, that's what concerns me.
Most people have "zero understanding of the legal system". And among those who do, there are those who conveniently forget what they know because it's to their benefit.
He is absolutely going to jail, especially after they tack on the official seditious conspiracy charges.
This post was inspired by this comment of yours and how it was poorly received.
You would think it would be a lot easier to explain to people how leftists are absolutely dead set on destroying Trump with these indictments on a Gamergate forum.
Leftists were also mad at George W. Bush and didn't get anywhere with that, according to Michelle Obama, wonderful man. One would suspect that they'd start thinking about why.
I think it's optimism as well as the fact that everything else against Trump misfired. People got complacent.
Dumb as fuck.
I actually don't know that he'll be assassinated.
He absolutely could be if the elites are stupid enough to believe their own narratives that MAGA is not a populist movement, but is just a personality cult.
However, that would fly in the face of every bit of global evidence they have. Disparaging Trump is what I think they will try to do, or co-opting Trump is the other alternative. They're doing everything in their power to distract him and make him seem repellent, but it's the only soft strategy they seem to be willing to take. I'd expect more false flag attacks more than anything.
It's shocking to me that this wasn't done. There is something deeply personal about the hatred for him. Trump is the most obvious possible man to persuade. Frankly, I think he was probably shocked just how long, hard, and hungrily Mike Pompeo was willing to eat out his ass, only to betray him anyway. Shows the real character of the people around him. He's probably never dealt with someone who's that much of an influence whore and a political cunt. All that being said, everybody knows how to bring Trump onto their side. It's not hard. They do it every day. But he just absolutely makes these elites lose their shit. The fact that he ate steak with ketchup set them off about as bad as anything else they ever attacked him on. There's something about his blue-collar-like nature that just drives them crazy. Eating McDonalds, steak with ketchup, ineloquent speech, no political career, a "new money" family, a brash attitude. It drives them fucking mental.
The Blairites (and Fabians) are starting to see the problem, but the rest of the globalists... I just don't know. They're as unpredictable and unstable as Antifa. They really seem to be fucking losing it.
The aristocracy never ended and the nobles hate the peasants just as much as they always did.
I don't agree. When you look through history, it's the nobles and peasants that get along.
It's actually the nobles and the barons that can't deal with each other. To go back to the original Feudal system. It was the "Villeins" that everybody hated. They owned nothing, and were perpetually in service to the Lord. The Lord saw them as a class of occasionally productive bureaucrats who lived at his expense, but could always threaten to overthrow him. The peasants hated them because they were supremacist and oppressive merely based on social class alone. They sucked so much that it's where we get the term "villain" from.
It's that upper-middle class intelligentsia that can't co-exist with reality. The king and the peasants are normally fine with each other unless the king does something exceptionally retarded.
So medieval HR basically?
Yup
It's all pro wrestling tricks. The left makes him the heel while the right makes him the face. They keep pushing him down and losing because they don't have a face.
I never expected to see politics as pro wrestling, but here we are.
Insert Trump beating up Vince McMahon meme with various government images pasted over Vince's face
When you realize the news has dumbed everything down to a 3rd grade level, it all starts to make sense.
I honestly have no idea what that analogy even is.
The political theatre is following the same rules and terms as pro wrestling.
None?
Donald Trump is the heel in the democrats book. That's the villain who does villainous stuff. Even if he does something noble, he is still scum trying to hurt the good guy. He cheats and does all the things they hate.
The face is the perfect good thing. Able to do everything perfectly. There are several faces, and as soon as they do something wrong they become a heel.
Judges and others are the referees, managers and others controlling the story.
Trump is a worked shoot.
And knows how to play the game. So the writers can't just get rid of him.
My prediction is that it'll be Trump in prison vs Biden in a coma/in the ground. The peak clown world election.
If Trump was truly a threat to them he would have been dead a long time ago.
Maybe, but how then do you explain the way they're embarrassing themselves with these political indictments?
Maybe he is not a 'true threat' - in the sense that he could actually take them down, that seems very unlikely - but do they not feel threatened?
I don't know how I scrolled right past this whopper of a thread, but I disagree. The system wants Trump's base deradicalized. Imprisoning Trump is going to have the opposite effect, unless they also let him win the election and get right back out.
Even as short sighted and incompetent as they are, they're afraid to kill him. The Trump train might not be running as strongly as it was (he really did have a disappointing first term in office), and the right might have taken a lot of shit until now, but there is a non-zero high chance that assassinating their leader would ignite a huge powder keg.
But the powers that be are morons. Cunning manipulators and immoral liars, but complete idiots. Maybe they underestimate the powder keg, or in fact think they want to take advantage of it. So your scenario is possible.
Personally I think he gets back in office and does nothing useful. His base cheers and declares victory, Trump bloviates, we make some small victories, nothing really gets better. I do think his heart is in the right place (to the extent it isn't dwarfed by his ego and desire to be popular) but I don't think he wants to get his hands dirty with anything real.
We can survive that if we don't fall into complacency. The real change has to come from us. And it already is.
Like you, I think they'd rather avoid that. But assuming for a moment that the presidency holds real power, then they'd rather assassinate him than allow him to ascend to it while vowing "retribution".
It might also be that they want to ignite a huge power keg in order to justify more repression.
Ah yes, you already thought of that.
Unfortunately, I think you are correct.
Just imagine the defeat populism would have suffered if they hadn't scored the dozens of own goals. No Russia hoax. None of this criminalization. Just treat him like a perfect gentleman, then Covid strikes, sabotages the economy and gets him down.
Instead, they had to act like total psychos.
It's true, also, that a cornered animal is desperate. If Trump does represent a real threat to them - and there may be some hope of that, since they're trying so hard to stop him, although I think that's more about the populism he represents - they might decide they have nothing left to lose.
I resent them for that more than I express, but since it revealed their true selves, I'm glad they did. At least we know what we're fighting. Better yet, a significant amount of people are waking up to their ways. Their hubris is their downfall. I hope.
I will believe in West regaining it's liberty when China shows signs of regaining its liberty.
Right now I see Western population being succesfully groomed into another version of Chinese population.
I'm only surprised it took this long tbh.
"The wonder is, he hath endured so long: He but usurp'd his life."
Lurker here, I'm Brazilian and I can tell you you're completely wrong. The left literally tried to assassinate Bolsonaro in front of hundreds of people and nothing came out of it. Nothing. We also had our Jan 6 moment where some people are still incarcerated to this day and no one will do anything, and soon Bolsonaro will also be arrested for, I kid you not, not enforcing lockdowns during the plandemic. Our society as a whole is too far gone now. The sooner you make peace with the fact that a video of Biden raping, killing and eating babies could come out tomorrow and NO ONE will do anything, the easier it will be for you.
Sounds like blackpilling nonsense to me. Vai tomar no cú.
Agreed, this is black-pilled nonsense.
You've had a socialist country for decades, and Bolsonaro has been unwinding it piece by piece. Not sending in the military was probably a good idea, as you are fighting a long war against socialism, and South Americans of all people, should take note of how quickly a military junta can be deposed by international pressure.
Fuck showing up with rifles, start targeting anti Trumpers who've wanted him dead for almost a decade for starring roles in live leak videos.
The shit that'll kick off will make the cartel execution videos look tame.
There's absolutely no right wing violence in the US. There's no organization remotely comparable to the antifa cells that can start riots in any city with 30 minutes notice. There isn't a single officer in any branch of the military who would have hesitated to give the order to kill everybody who was let into the Capitol on January 6th. "If they lock him up he wins" is absolutely demented logic. At best you'd possibly get a couple guys who are as dumb as you to walk around with rifles who would immediately be killed by Capitol Police and their entire extended family would be imprisoned or killed.
Yes, but how many will vote for such a candidate? Seeing that many in 2016 did not want to vote for Hillary because she was under investigation, and many GOP said that they preferred the guy who was not under FBI investigation. We were naive back then, weren't we?
Under the Espionage Act, the same law they're using against Trump, no less.
That's why they have not done it so far. But that is also why they are in a lose-lose. No matter what happens, even if they win, they lose.
Unfortunately, I think that's exactly what they want. If this was their response to a few people having an unguided tour, how will they respond to actual insurrectionists?
Yes. But they're not clueless about how powerless people are. I live in Europe and I don't encounter anyone who isn't pissed off at the ruling classes, but what can they all do? Absolutely nothing.
You could say America is different because of the Second Amendment, but I doubt it. The slightest use of it would result in draconian retaliation.
lol "elections" lmao.
I'm as skeptical of "elections" as anyone (they can be a useful tool, but nothing more) - but remind me where all this hysteria against Trump started?
If the Second Amendment was a realistic response to tyranny, it would have been used by now.
It's been said before, and better, but it bears repeating:
For the American Left, violence is analog. Dial it up a little bit, throw some bricks, light some fires, get your way, calm back down.
For the American Right, violence is binary. The switch has two positions: off, and kill your enemies.
This creates a high bar for the use of force, because there's a significant gulf between "try to vote better candidates in to represent your interest" and "hit the reset button with lethal force". There's no way to put just one foot on that second road. If you're going to walk it, it has to be with a clear head and a purpose.
I hope we can turn things around before we do reach that point, but the Left seems quite convinced they can white-knuckle it until the last person who opposes their anti-human regime has died of old age or been cowed into submission.
The thing about the right to keep and bear arms is that people, especially tyrants, forget what it means to attempt to rule an armed citizenry if there has not been a recent reminder.
Not endorsing violence in any way, but it seems to me that the low-level violence that the left uses is very effective. Hell, you can be very effective without using violence. Picket the local Target, and make shopping there unpleasant for people, and you'll get a long way.
That said, it seems to only be the case because the corrupt ruling class is on its side. The folks on January 6 thought they could throw in a few windows because BLM had burned people alive, and it turns out that they will throw you in prison if they do not like you.
I think it's a mistake to think this is about the 'Left'. It's not really just the left - which doesn't hold any real power. Which leftist ideas do the weapons makers endorse? Sure, the identity stuff that doesn't get in the way of their wars.
The Left and the Corporatocracy are in a coalition, and the political establishment is their priesthood. They may not own the power, but they are permitted to wield it all the same, because they are ideologically captured by the power structure.