I don't think this is bad. It's good when people change their minds or see the writing on the wall, and go from being bad to being better.
It's fairly well-known that DeSantis used to be a neocon, like many in the GOP. But now he is increasingly critical of neoconnery. While I still have my doubts about him (e.g. to Tucker he said that he would crack down on Iran because it gives weapons to Russia), he is way better than nearly every other GOP politician in the past.
I love DeSantis as my Governor. But I think that this Presidential run is going to hurt him, not the least because he is working with Jeb!, who is viewed as being a great Governor who wrecked himself attempting to become President.
But your last sentence is why I am going into local politics. It's time for people who are savvy and smart to stop leaving governance to the ambitious.
I think it will help him, because four years from now he might just be old news - like Christie was in 2016, when he could have won the nomination in 2012.
Only thing I'm worried about is Trump being a loose cannon.
Yup, his neoconnery (good word) is certainly there, but seems to (for now) be at a lighter level than the full-on neocons. What he'd actually do if he got in power remains to be seen, but he's certainly currently not at the highest levels of neoconnery.
I think he's always been not a top-notch neocon. When he was in Congress, while the worst types like Pompeo favored regime change in both Libya and Syria, DeSantis opposed it in one of the two, I think Syria.
That said, I don't pay much heed to what they say. It's not as if politicians have actual beliefs. They'll say and do whatever gets them into office. The job of the people is to ensure that being awful doesn't get you into office, which is easier said than done.
Yawn. We're not signatories to that treaty. To my knowledge neither are the Saudis. The Ukraine used to be though.
I can't wait to see Zelensky executed in Red Square, but this is a snoozer and I can't bring myself to care. The sole relevance this has to the situation is that it exposed how the US is probably out of conventional 155mm shells, so it means the war is drawing to a close.
It's not about the treaty. It's about the disproportionate effect that it has on civilian populations, which according to some legal scholar makes it illegal even in the absence of the specific treaty.
Now, maybe you don't care if Ukrainian (or Yemeni) children get blown up for empire, but I'd rather that they not.
That's the entire focus of the treaty, front hole. UXO of any variety is unavoidable in warfare of any decent scale, regardless of ammunition type used. The United States to no small degree did not sign onto the treaty because it was feel-good nonsense that did functionally nothing to actually address civilian casualties.
It's yet another virtue signaling pretense, acting like you give a damn while contributing nothing.
Furthermore, if the Ukrainians don't value their lives enough to not use human wave tactics, why on earth should I?
That's the entire focus of the treaty, front hole. UXO of any variety is unavoidable in warfare of any decent scale, regardless of ammunition type used
It's worse with some types of ammunition, bonus hole. When 10% of shells don't explode, that is far worse than with a smaller percentage. That is what makes the effect on civilians disproportionate to the military benefit, and which arguably makes it illegal even in the absence of a specific treaty.
The United States to no small degree did not sign onto the treaty because it was feel-good nonsense that did functionally nothing to actually address civilian casualties.
And just like that, you believe in the good will and sanity of the United States government, and that it 'cares' about civilian casualties, even though it has given you no reason at all to believe that.
Furthermore, if the Ukrainians don't value their lives enough to not use human wave tactics, why on earth should I?
So many things wrong with this, I don't even know where to begin. It's like me saying that I should send Americans to their deaths, because obviously "Americans don't value their lives enough to put an end to the fentanyl epidemic which kills hundreds of thousands".
Unless you're now suddenly a fan of the US government, it should be clear that governments of countries are not the same as their population.
Also that military deaths != killing kids and making large parts of entire countries uninhabitable like the US did to Indochina.
No it's really not worse with some types of ammunition, retard. The amount of artillery being used here guarantees a UXO situation across the front. Once UXO is determined the actual munitions are totally irrelevant. I know this for a personal fact. The only way to avoid this is avoiding the conflict in the first place.
Enormous sections of the Ukraine are already uninhabitable, will be for decades. All from completely conventional shells. Because that's how it works in real life and not on CNN.
Stop trying to pretend like you have the slightest clue about military stuff. You're an ignorant fool.
No it's really not worse with some types of ammunition, retard. The amount of artillery being used here guarantees a UXO situation across the front.
Of course it's worse with some types of munition, you absolute moron. If 20% of shells from cluster munitions don't explode, then that's way worse than: "UHHHH THERE ARE ALREADY SOME DUDS THERE".
The only way to avoid this is avoiding the conflict in the first place.
Sounds like a good idea tbh, but you don't seem to be able to distinguish between 'bad' and 'worse'.
Stop trying to pretend like you have the slightest clue about military stuff. You're an ignorant fool.
I mean, let's not start about who here is an 'ignorant fool', because I don't think you'll come out of that looking well.
Yeah kids totally won't end up discovering a normal artillery shell either huh. Only these extra special ones.
Stop repeating the media's bullshit. Because the exact same thing happens with landmines, normal artillery shells, and literally anything else that explodes. All of which have been used in such an amount already as to render the conflict zones uninhabitable.
If it's about warfare and CNN says it, odds are it's wrong.
They're bleating about "muh war crimes" for one reason. To distract from the fact that these things are the bottom of the barrel. We're out of conventional shells to give Kiev regime.
Nevermind how utterly absurd and fundamentally stupid it is for anyone who posts here of all places to be blindly repeating the media narrative.
Ukrainian (or Yemeni) children get blown up for empire
You realize that Russia's main tactic right now is to saturate the ground with landmines, right? Like not unintentional dud UXO, just straight up land mines, millions of them, all over the country. It will probably take 50 years or more to de-mine the country.
On top of that, Russia has fired 10's of millions of artillery shells into Ukraine. When there's a dud (and there's a lot of duds because they're using 70+ year old shells in some cases), then the shell buries itself several feet into the ground. Someone building a house 200 years from now will probably get blown up by one of these shells.
You realize that Russia's main tactic right now is to saturate the ground with landmines, right?
This is very funny, because this sort of thing is what the Westoid regime shills call "whataboutism". We're talking about bad things I want to talk about, you're not allowed to bring up stuff that I don't want to confront!
just straight up land mines, millions of them, all over the country. It will probably take 50 years or more to de-mine the country.
So they might as well use cluster munitions, is what you're saying?
But if that's not enough for you, if cluster bombs are some how the ultimate evil because they sprinkle UXO on the ground, then here's a video of Russia dropping cluster munitions onto some random apartment building in Kharkiv in 2022.
Oh, I saw the Russian flag there on the shell there.
You didn't give a shit then because your propaganda sources didn't tell you about it.
How ironic since you're echoing Biden regime and CNN talking points.
No it isn't. Whataboutism would be bringing up some other bad thing that Russia did (there are plenty). But your argument is "there will be landmines from clusterbombs", when there are literally already landmines everywhere. That's not whataboutism. That's just destroying your central point.
So they might as well use cluster munitions, is what you're saying?
Yes. You have to demine the entire front line already. Dropping a cluster munition changes nothing. The UXO argument is moot point. You have no argument left.
Oh, I saw the Russian flag there on the shell there.
??? Are you just trolling? Are you actually a chat bot?
No it isn't. Whataboutism would be bringing up some other bad thing that Russia did (there are plenty).
Newsflash: it's not a thing at all. Yet it's an argument Westoids use to try to distract from the hypocrisy of their countries.
But your argument is "there will be landmines from clusterbombs", when there are literally already landmines everywhere.
Yeah, let's add more.
That's just destroying your central point.
What central point do you imagine that you destroyed?
Dropping a cluster munition changes nothing.
Nope, it makes things way worse, as experience in Laos, where your country brought "freedom and democracy" to such an extent that 30% of the country is allegedly uninhabitable, and the same in Yugoslavia, where you also sent your bombs of freedom of democracy, and where kids get killed by cluster munitions to this day.
??? Are you just trolling? Are you actually a chat bot?
In case you were too dumb to realize: I was mocking your dumb ass for posting a context-free video from a Ukraine flag account, with no proof of where the explosion occurred, who fired it, anything.
I see you have nothing of substance to say. Let me close with the following, as it's totally applicable here.
"Whataboutism" is the word they fed to the world's dumbest people to bar inquiry into whether they and their side abide by the standards they impose on others: source
The vote is on the 'Conyers of Michigan Amendment No. 40', not on the bill as a whole.
Whose official description as follows: ' An amendment No. 40 printed in House Report 114-623 to block funds from being used to transfer or authorize the transfer of cluster munitions to Saudi Arabia.'.
I don't think this is bad. It's good when people change their minds or see the writing on the wall, and go from being bad to being better.
It's fairly well-known that DeSantis used to be a neocon, like many in the GOP. But now he is increasingly critical of neoconnery. While I still have my doubts about him (e.g. to Tucker he said that he would crack down on Iran because it gives weapons to Russia), he is way better than nearly every other GOP politician in the past.
I love DeSantis as my Governor. But I think that this Presidential run is going to hurt him, not the least because he is working with Jeb!, who is viewed as being a great Governor who wrecked himself attempting to become President.
But your last sentence is why I am going into local politics. It's time for people who are savvy and smart to stop leaving governance to the ambitious.
I think it will help him, because four years from now he might just be old news - like Christie was in 2016, when he could have won the nomination in 2012.
Only thing I'm worried about is Trump being a loose cannon.
I prefer Sean when it comes to Connery.
Yup, his neoconnery (good word) is certainly there, but seems to (for now) be at a lighter level than the full-on neocons. What he'd actually do if he got in power remains to be seen, but he's certainly currently not at the highest levels of neoconnery.
I think he's always been not a top-notch neocon. When he was in Congress, while the worst types like Pompeo favored regime change in both Libya and Syria, DeSantis opposed it in one of the two, I think Syria.
That said, I don't pay much heed to what they say. It's not as if politicians have actual beliefs. They'll say and do whatever gets them into office. The job of the people is to ensure that being awful doesn't get you into office, which is easier said than done.
Yawn. We're not signatories to that treaty. To my knowledge neither are the Saudis. The Ukraine used to be though.
I can't wait to see Zelensky executed in Red Square, but this is a snoozer and I can't bring myself to care. The sole relevance this has to the situation is that it exposed how the US is probably out of conventional 155mm shells, so it means the war is drawing to a close.
It's not about the treaty. It's about the disproportionate effect that it has on civilian populations, which according to some legal scholar makes it illegal even in the absence of the specific treaty.
Now, maybe you don't care if Ukrainian (or Yemeni) children get blown up for empire, but I'd rather that they not.
That's the entire focus of the treaty, front hole. UXO of any variety is unavoidable in warfare of any decent scale, regardless of ammunition type used. The United States to no small degree did not sign onto the treaty because it was feel-good nonsense that did functionally nothing to actually address civilian casualties.
It's yet another virtue signaling pretense, acting like you give a damn while contributing nothing.
Furthermore, if the Ukrainians don't value their lives enough to not use human wave tactics, why on earth should I?
It's worse with some types of ammunition, bonus hole. When 10% of shells don't explode, that is far worse than with a smaller percentage. That is what makes the effect on civilians disproportionate to the military benefit, and which arguably makes it illegal even in the absence of a specific treaty.
And just like that, you believe in the good will and sanity of the United States government, and that it 'cares' about civilian casualties, even though it has given you no reason at all to believe that.
So many things wrong with this, I don't even know where to begin. It's like me saying that I should send Americans to their deaths, because obviously "Americans don't value their lives enough to put an end to the fentanyl epidemic which kills hundreds of thousands".
Unless you're now suddenly a fan of the US government, it should be clear that governments of countries are not the same as their population.
Also that military deaths != killing kids and making large parts of entire countries uninhabitable like the US did to Indochina.
No it's really not worse with some types of ammunition, retard. The amount of artillery being used here guarantees a UXO situation across the front. Once UXO is determined the actual munitions are totally irrelevant. I know this for a personal fact. The only way to avoid this is avoiding the conflict in the first place.
Enormous sections of the Ukraine are already uninhabitable, will be for decades. All from completely conventional shells. Because that's how it works in real life and not on CNN.
Stop trying to pretend like you have the slightest clue about military stuff. You're an ignorant fool.
Of course it's worse with some types of munition, you absolute moron. If 20% of shells from cluster munitions don't explode, then that's way worse than: "UHHHH THERE ARE ALREADY SOME DUDS THERE".
Sounds like a good idea tbh, but you don't seem to be able to distinguish between 'bad' and 'worse'.
I mean, let's not start about who here is an 'ignorant fool', because I don't think you'll come out of that looking well.
Also, bear in mind that cluster munitions are of necessity small enough for a kid to pick up and play with.
Some five-year-old who doesn't know better isn't doing that with a dud 155 that's buried itself into the mud, is he?
Yeah kids totally won't end up discovering a normal artillery shell either huh. Only these extra special ones.
Stop repeating the media's bullshit. Because the exact same thing happens with landmines, normal artillery shells, and literally anything else that explodes. All of which have been used in such an amount already as to render the conflict zones uninhabitable.
If it's about warfare and CNN says it, odds are it's wrong.
They're bleating about "muh war crimes" for one reason. To distract from the fact that these things are the bottom of the barrel. We're out of conventional shells to give Kiev regime.
Nevermind how utterly absurd and fundamentally stupid it is for anyone who posts here of all places to be blindly repeating the media narrative.
You realize that Russia's main tactic right now is to saturate the ground with landmines, right? Like not unintentional dud UXO, just straight up land mines, millions of them, all over the country. It will probably take 50 years or more to de-mine the country.
On top of that, Russia has fired 10's of millions of artillery shells into Ukraine. When there's a dud (and there's a lot of duds because they're using 70+ year old shells in some cases), then the shell buries itself several feet into the ground. Someone building a house 200 years from now will probably get blown up by one of these shells.
But if that's not enough for you, if cluster bombs are some how the ultimate evil because they sprinkle UXO on the ground, then here's a video of Russia dropping cluster munitions onto some random apartment building in Kharkiv in 2022. You didn't give a shit then because your propaganda sources didn't tell you about it.
This is very funny, because this sort of thing is what the Westoid regime shills call "whataboutism". We're talking about bad things I want to talk about, you're not allowed to bring up stuff that I don't want to confront!
So they might as well use cluster munitions, is what you're saying?
Oh, I saw the Russian flag there on the shell there.
How ironic since you're echoing Biden regime and CNN talking points.
No it isn't. Whataboutism would be bringing up some other bad thing that Russia did (there are plenty). But your argument is "there will be landmines from clusterbombs", when there are literally already landmines everywhere. That's not whataboutism. That's just destroying your central point.
Yes. You have to demine the entire front line already. Dropping a cluster munition changes nothing. The UXO argument is moot point. You have no argument left.
??? Are you just trolling? Are you actually a chat bot?
Newsflash: it's not a thing at all. Yet it's an argument Westoids use to try to distract from the hypocrisy of their countries.
Yeah, let's add more.
What central point do you imagine that you destroyed?
Nope, it makes things way worse, as experience in Laos, where your country brought "freedom and democracy" to such an extent that 30% of the country is allegedly uninhabitable, and the same in Yugoslavia, where you also sent your bombs of freedom of democracy, and where kids get killed by cluster munitions to this day.
In case you were too dumb to realize: I was mocking your dumb ass for posting a context-free video from a Ukraine flag account, with no proof of where the explosion occurred, who fired it, anything.
>You're doing whataboutism
>No I'm not, here is a logical explanation
>Well actually whataboutism isn't real
>clusterbombs are like landmines! Too far!
>There's already actual land mines
>Hah, you think that was my point?
>Anyway since whataboutism isn't real because I said so, whatabout a different war 50 years ago?
Like closing my hands on slime.
I see you have nothing of substance to say. Let me close with the following, as it's totally applicable here.
The Houthi slogan literally includes the phrase "Death to America!" Stop pretending these fucks are innocent victims.
fuck ukraine and fuck yemen
if you're in government and aren't an america first populist, you're a TRAITOR.
It's going to be fucking hilarious if DeStraction loses Florida on Super Tuesday.
Obviously, I checked before I posted this.
The vote is on the 'Conyers of Michigan Amendment No. 40', not on the bill as a whole.
Whose official description as follows: ' An amendment No. 40 printed in House Report 114-623 to block funds from being used to transfer or authorize the transfer of cluster munitions to Saudi Arabia.'.
He linked to the vote on the amendment.
You may not be familiar with Lee Fang. He isn't the run of the mill liar journalist, he's one of the few who's actually decent.
Yeah, governments are starting to region lock links, so I’m assuming since you’re in Britain, it just denied you access
Not sure what's going on, but here is the direct link to the amendments section: https://archive.is/1DzrP
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