Yes, but it seems he misspoke or spoke poorly, or whatever. What comes after is something like: we can do good stuff as well as be the leader of the free world (lol).
Leader of the free world, peace through strength, fight them over there so we don't fight them over here. What a disaster of prewritten dialogue chunks.
That's fair, like it's not Americans concern to listen or vote for you. It seems everyone in the GOP race is self sabotaging themselves while Trump rises as a martyr and Kennedy rises in popularity on the dem side so even though he'll get shafted by the party, he'll be able to hurt the dems more by bringing up all their issues.
Unpopular view: I like Pence, and he did the right thing during the election certification, but obviously his neoconism and pro-corporate positions make my skin crawl.
Your understanding of the american legal and election system is at best erroneous, and your grasp of "the right thing" is at best wildly ignorant. If you believe the certification of a plainly rigged election filled with illegal acts by states and by the courts, was morally or legally correct, you are a fool.
What is even the point of a certification if you're just going to rubber stamp an election where thousands of ballots went outside the chain of custody?
Your understanding of the american legal and election system is at best erroneous,
Feel free to correct.
and your grasp of "the right thing" is at best wildly ignorant.
Why? Explain to me that if what you say is true, Biden didn't do it in 2016 for Hillary and Gore in 2000 for himself. Or Nixon in 1960 for himself.
If you believe the certification of a plainly rigged election filled with illegal acts by states and by the courts, was morally or legally correct, you are a fool.
The problem wasn't just the 'illegal' acts either. As far as I know, Zuckerberg giving hundreds of millions to election officials in order to buy the election was completely legal.
Several swing states mysteriously shut down and poll watchers were thrown out, then vote counting resumed. There were numerous court hearings like the one in pennsylvania and arizona where people reported election irregularities. Several states made sudden changes to procedures illegally. The supreme court unconstitutionally refused to acknowledge a joint suit put forth by a significant number of states asking for an investigation and decertification. Evidence of voting machines behaving suspiciously and connecting to the internet was unearthed. Evidence of boxes of ballots with no chain of custody showing up from non standard delivery was shown. Evidence of forged signatures, falsely adjudicated ballots, and illegal ballot harvesting was shown.
Multiple state senates requested their electoral votes not be certified and the federal puppets and pence ignored all of that, and the massive amount of fraud.
The 2020 election was more obviously fraudulent than any american federal election in the history of the country - don't pretend it was a simple partisan act to refuse to certify and send the matter back to the states to correct.
When obvious irregularities and illegal actions are taken in multiple steps, the only thing someone with integrity would do is refuse to sign and certify. Members of congress, the supreme court and the former VP are all guilty of misconduct on the level of treason by refusing to acknowledge the states lawful demands for recourse via returning of their electoral votes and the lawsuit headed by Texas and signed by 19 other states.
Very well said, but you left out the scale. There weren't scored of fucked up votes, or hundreds, or thousands. There were scores of thousands, and quite likely hundreds of thousands of votes that were affected. Far more than the total needed to swing the election in the key areas where it happened.
That's why the media narrative was "no evidence of widespread voter fraud", the fucking bastards. It didn't need to be "widespread", it only needed to happen in a dozen key counties to make this happen.
No one was asking Pence to crown Trump, they were asking for him not to certify the very sketchy results in favor of Biden. Whether or not he had that power, or whether or not he did the right thing, he wasn't going to 'crown Trump' or anything.
OK, but if that was what they were 'asking', why didn't Biden do that in 2016 using MEH RUSSHER as a reason? Why didn't every single vice-president do that before? Or in 1960, when Nixon thought he lost to JFK due to fraud?
Because you'd also need confidence in the state legislatures you'd send them back to for review. What you're suggesting is that there is no means for the person given the authority to certify that the votes appear proper to not certify. If so, what's the point? Mere decorum and theater?
That fucking traitor had all the authority in the world to set aside questionable swing state Elector delegates in 2021, and send the question of appointing delegates to those state legislatures, but he punked out like the habituated bitch ass loser he is.
Has it ever been done before? If not, why not? Why didn't Nixon do it in 1960 for himself?
I can't express in words how much I hate that fucking capital E Establishment GOP FUCK. That piece of shit is emblematic of the big donor consultant class GOP establishment, which was exactly why Trump happened in 2016, and why Trump is going to happen again in 2024.
And you are correct, but there are plenty of better reasons for hating the GOPe.
"Obliterated" is usually hyperbole. Here, it fits. Pence looked like he was about to cry during some of that.
Also, did he just say "that's not my concern," when asked about concern for the United States?!
Dude got fucking smoked.
Yes, but it seems he misspoke or spoke poorly, or whatever. What comes after is something like: we can do good stuff as well as be the leader of the free world (lol).
Antonio, you should realize that the first words of someone's mouth when they go off script is usually the real thoughts.
The moment he said "That's not my concern" he should have been thrown out of the GOP because it shows his mentality.
Why would he get thrown out of the party that shares his ideology?
Because the people at the bottom are readily apparent at torpedoing people that go against them.
seealso: trump still likely winning the nomination.
I mean, I knew that the country he wants to run (exploit) beforehand. That's a given for nearly every politician.
BTW, welcome to Win.
Thank you, but I've been here for quite some time, I just am more active now that I don't use reddit at all.
It's nice to get some news occasionally.
Leader of the free world, peace through strength, fight them over there so we don't fight them over here. What a disaster of prewritten dialogue chunks.
That's fair, like it's not Americans concern to listen or vote for you. It seems everyone in the GOP race is self sabotaging themselves while Trump rises as a martyr and Kennedy rises in popularity on the dem side so even though he'll get shafted by the party, he'll be able to hurt the dems more by bringing up all their issues.
Pence knows his political career is over unless he gets in the good graces of the election riggers.
how about FUCK ukraine.
Here's the whole interview:
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1679943543412998146
He was flexing for his chicken hawk/neocon friends. He's banking on nobody paying attention and figures he can spin it away and bury it.
Olde dudes don't quite understand that the internet is forever.
"It's not my concern."
YOU ARE RUNNING FOR POTUS! IT. SHOULD. BE.
Unpopular view: I like Pence, and he did the right thing during the election certification, but obviously his neoconism and pro-corporate positions make my skin crawl.
Your understanding of the american legal and election system is at best erroneous, and your grasp of "the right thing" is at best wildly ignorant. If you believe the certification of a plainly rigged election filled with illegal acts by states and by the courts, was morally or legally correct, you are a fool.
What is even the point of a certification if you're just going to rubber stamp an election where thousands of ballots went outside the chain of custody?
Feel free to correct.
Why? Explain to me that if what you say is true, Biden didn't do it in 2016 for Hillary and Gore in 2000 for himself. Or Nixon in 1960 for himself.
The problem wasn't just the 'illegal' acts either. As far as I know, Zuckerberg giving hundreds of millions to election officials in order to buy the election was completely legal.
Several swing states mysteriously shut down and poll watchers were thrown out, then vote counting resumed. There were numerous court hearings like the one in pennsylvania and arizona where people reported election irregularities. Several states made sudden changes to procedures illegally. The supreme court unconstitutionally refused to acknowledge a joint suit put forth by a significant number of states asking for an investigation and decertification. Evidence of voting machines behaving suspiciously and connecting to the internet was unearthed. Evidence of boxes of ballots with no chain of custody showing up from non standard delivery was shown. Evidence of forged signatures, falsely adjudicated ballots, and illegal ballot harvesting was shown.
Multiple state senates requested their electoral votes not be certified and the federal puppets and pence ignored all of that, and the massive amount of fraud.
The 2020 election was more obviously fraudulent than any american federal election in the history of the country - don't pretend it was a simple partisan act to refuse to certify and send the matter back to the states to correct.
When obvious irregularities and illegal actions are taken in multiple steps, the only thing someone with integrity would do is refuse to sign and certify. Members of congress, the supreme court and the former VP are all guilty of misconduct on the level of treason by refusing to acknowledge the states lawful demands for recourse via returning of their electoral votes and the lawsuit headed by Texas and signed by 19 other states.
Very well said, but you left out the scale. There weren't scored of fucked up votes, or hundreds, or thousands. There were scores of thousands, and quite likely hundreds of thousands of votes that were affected. Far more than the total needed to swing the election in the key areas where it happened.
That's why the media narrative was "no evidence of widespread voter fraud", the fucking bastards. It didn't need to be "widespread", it only needed to happen in a dozen key counties to make this happen.
Stopped reading right here.
If a vice-president has the authority to crown someone president, why didn't Biden crown Hillary in 2016?
No one was asking Pence to crown Trump, they were asking for him not to certify the very sketchy results in favor of Biden. Whether or not he had that power, or whether or not he did the right thing, he wasn't going to 'crown Trump' or anything.
OK, but if that was what they were 'asking', why didn't Biden do that in 2016 using MEH RUSSHER as a reason? Why didn't every single vice-president do that before? Or in 1960, when Nixon thought he lost to JFK due to fraud?
Because you'd also need confidence in the state legislatures you'd send them back to for review. What you're suggesting is that there is no means for the person given the authority to certify that the votes appear proper to not certify. If so, what's the point? Mere decorum and theater?
The right wanted the government to prove the election was fair and legitimate. Stop gas lighting with this misrepresentation.
That is a reasonable demand, but what was asked of Pence wasn't.
That's not how it works, and not what Pence was asked to do.
I think he's actually middle eastern. (Please correct me if I'm wrong)
He's not Italian?
No, but he does get a lot of his chuckles at making people think that.
Now that you mention it his rhetorical style sounds a lot more Indian than Italian.
He's also an arab and a sodomite.
Except the right thing was literally confronting the massive fraud and how the courts and certain states were acting illegally.
I'd forgotten that ant is a eurocuck, but I guess that just proves how worthless the opinion of euros is.
In this case, if memory serves, he just doesn't believe there was enough fraud to matter and it was a waste of "time and optics" to focus on it.
It’s not like you being pissed off and whiny all the time made you any less of a loser
Mike Pence should go do politics in Ukraine then.
Because he's an idiot without the sense to pour piss out of a boot?
Has it ever been done before? If not, why not? Why didn't Nixon do it in 1960 for himself?
And you are correct, but there are plenty of better reasons for hating the GOPe.