I really have no idea why people are giving it a pass, between the voice actors and plot contrivances to take all the attention off of the titular character makes the whole thing a clusterfuck.
Just because there isn't a gay character doesn't mean that it isn't woke...have some standards.
Being slightly less fucked up than most animated films released now isn't exactly a glowing recommendation.
I think this is the result of the Overton window having been dragged so far to the left. Almost everything made in the West (and it's leaking into the East too for sure) is either:
'Soft' woke: There's some diversity and girlbossing, but it's fairly understated and isn't being aggressively, radically pushed in your face. It's not sufficiently offensive, nor does it shit on the male leads too hard, that it provokes the ire of more than a minority who will be written off as terminally online reactionaries even by people ostensibly leaning to the right. To use a LOTR comparison, think back to Arwen's expanded role in Fellowship of the Ring, or there being a smattering of black Northman villagers in The Hobbit films.
'Hard' woke: What we're more familiar with and which a lot more people are shitting on & walking away from. To continue the LOTR examples, think about the decision to have Arwen show up to the Battle of Helm's Deep in The Two Towers (later Jackson thought better of it, but there's still a split-second shot of Arwen being at the relief of the besieged Rohirrim that wasn't cut in time) or the entirety of Rings of Power.
It's pretty damn difficult to find fiction of any sort with a consistently competent and respected straight white male lead, traditional gender roles, truly realistic levels of diversity, etc. in this day & age. And since even right-wingers who are at least marginally aware of and playing into the culture war want, nay, need entertainment so they can shut their brains off and pry their eyes away from the man-made horrors beyond our comprehension invading every facet of existence, they will concentrate all their ire against 'hard woke' while making excuses for watching/reading/playing/whatever 'soft woke'.
So now we have even supposedly right-leaning critics like Critical Drinker and Ryan Kinel making excuses for stuff like last year's Prey, or this. For my own part, I'm content to stick to untainted classics (like say, the physical copies of the LOTR trilogy and the Silmarillion which I picked up in a garage sale) for my entertainment, because that's really the only way you can avoid wokedom's ever-present tendrils across modern entertainment.
To play a bit of a flipside with LOTR. The entire "I am no man" scene would be decried as "hard woke" from every corner possible if it came out today, and would probably dominate the discussion of RotK over anything else. That's another consequence of the Overton Window moving as it did. Nothing isn't political, and all choices in media are considered outright stances, to the point where both sides are locked in purity spirals to their death.
Not that I disagree with anything you said, simply offering a lament that even things that were once good cannot be trusted to be innocuous.
That scene got weakened by the movies not having time to go into the background of Glorfindel's prophecy (second narrative casualty of cutting the golden Noldorian), and the Arnor blades. It is debatable whether using the original identity reveal before the stab would restore nuance to the Witch-King's character, or mess up his radiating dread. But I certainly hate that Eowyn is stripped of her unique motivations when she is grouped with girl-boss characters from other media.
Also weakened by not having the background of Merry's Westernesse sword, that he obtained in Barrow-Downs. The blades had been forged specifically to fight against Angmar, and was enchanted to be able to harm the Witch-King. He was essential in breaking the spell that surrounded the Nazgûl, and just like Éowyn, he was a part of Glorfindel's prophecy, since as a hobbit he was not technically a part of mankind.
That is certain. I'm in a similar boat myself: if I could, I would certainly love to live in a time where we don't have to obsessively ponder whether X element in Y show is a sop to people who want to use my guts as a skipping rope in-between games of soccer with the heads of my family and friends. The dawning realization since Gamergate kicked off almost 10 years ago that that time is gone, buried and will probably not come back for the rest of my own lifespan, is one of my more personal motives to detest the left and all that they stand for.
Ah well. As a quote from one of my favorite fictional characters from a fairly recent work of fiction goes, "In the best of all possible worlds they would just leave us in peace. But they won't."
I've recut my personal copy to remove those two seconds, and it makes my annual rewatch much more enjoyable.
Done right, it's an Achilles Heel moment, a monkey paw twist, a genie's revenge. The armor of immortality has a crack in the wording of its conveyance, and this is an enjoyable twist for the audience, if the reveal is done tastefully.
Taking off the helmet ruins all of that by providing a window of opportunity for the ring wraith to strike back. Cutting straight to the sword thrust instead allows the audience to understand that "no man" is taken literally instead of figuratively, and it turns a bad moment into a good one.
The real issue with this movie is that at the end of the day, much of fast-consumption pop-culture is just garbage, regardless of what social trends are in vogue. Tolkien warned us about Disney being part of the denigration of culture, but normie conservative only take notice when the hostility is this overt. It's not even about this specific movie beating current Disney is good or mediocre, but that excessive copyright law aids the funneling of hundreds of billions to these pests.
This is classic Hegelian dialectic, which is basically just a fancy way of saying “shifted Overton Window”. Disney pushed extreme gay tranny shit, so now almost everyone on the right is totally comfortable with boilerplate bait-and-switch feminist idiocy.
I don't like any of those things and still enjoyed it all the same. Only real complaint I had was it was too linear. I never really felt like I was exploring, just going thorough the level exactly as intended.
I mean they are pushing back against male trannies getting into female sports, but no one's breathing a word about male spaces being invaded and/or dismantled by women, so I tend to think you're right about this.
Easy way to position himself against everyone in the youtube community that he thinks turned against him over that grifting thot. I doubt Tim gives a shit about the Mario movie being woke or not.
It’s sort of woke, at least in the first half. In the first half Peach is brilliant at everything and completely kicks ass for no reason while Mario gets dumped on and disrespected at every opportunity, they let him come into his own a little bit more as the movie goes on but it takes a while. By the end he’s portrayed as pretty competent and kick-ass.
On the plus side Peach isn’t very cunty to Mario as I feared she’d be, she seems to like him and they actually kind of tease a romance between the two which shocked me, I thought for sure she’d make it clear that she don’t need no man.
completely kicks ass for no reason while Mario gets dumped on and disrespected at every opportunity
Went and saw the movie. She kick ass as you say because she was raised by the Toads at an early age in the mushroom kingdom (thus being proficient at traversing the world and its dangers) and was chosen as their princess to protect them because they were all a bunch of timid wimps, which fits cannon as far as I remember.
Now Mario, he's a case of the scrappy underdog. Him and Luigi struck out on their own and haven't gotten their big break yet at the beginning of the movie. Also, as you said, he develops competency in the mushroom kingdom after time and training, and was kicking ass left and right by the end.
I didn't see any overt wokeness in the movie, and actually enjoyed it.
Perhaps I’m just too sensitive to it from every other movie made these days. I just thought they dumped on him a little too much in the beginning, and it took longer for him to come into his own than I would have liked. I also wish they gave Luigi more to do, it would have been nice if he tried to escape or lead all of the prisoners or something.
I agree with the Luigi take, but he also stepped up at the end, showing that he may not be as brave as his brother, but he can overcome that fear to help him in his time of need.
Overall, it wasn't perfect, but I'm pleased with what was produced when compared to what they had to work with.
That definitely wasn't how they marketed the movie, maybe advertising did work on me and fooled me into thinking the girlboss stuff was worse than it actually is.
The movie is not woke, but it does get close. Never mind not being a damsel, Peach straight up has zero flaws, and they make it clear she would have stopped Bowser all on her own, but Mario was there so might as well have him help. Her personality wasn't insufferable but her character was borderline.
Also not a fan of Bowser being a simp for Peach. I know they started it in Odyssey but I didn't like it there either.
Bowser's been simping for Peach since Super Mario RPG, and even earlier in the expanded lore.
And, having just came from watching the movie, if she'd gone and gotten the Kongs' help on her own, she probably would have beaten DK, but then Bowser would still have beaten their army just like he did here, and she would have ended up overwhelmed when Bowser launched the Banzai Bill without Mario and DK there to make the save.
Having just came from the movie, and going in with terribly low expectations, I was pleasantly surprised. Peach didn't do anything she doesn't do in the games, got strong armed into marrying Bowser, and even when she made a play to escape it wouldn't have worked without Mario and DK there to save everyone.
It was annoying that Luigi got shoehorned into the damsel role, but he got to shine in the end, and Peach was sweet and nice and nurturing, like she's supposed to be. Even when she tried to be badass with the infamous halberd trailer shot, she drops it immediately when Kamek threatens Toad. Because her being badass isn't as important as her protecting her people.
I can answer why nobody wants to say it's the enemy's work - it's successful.
Also, women being superior to men is slowly becoming accepted on the establishment right as they move on to whatever retarded cat following a laser pointer agenda women give them next.
i might have given it a pass had it been a completely original series. But the fact of the matter is that its Mario . Mario is hero, Peach is dasmel in distress and Luigi is comic relief and Mario's ally. The fact that they changed this established formula up is enough for me to call it woke .
They should have just pulled a Mario 2/3D World and had Mario, Luigi, Peach and Toad all go on the adventure together if they were going to have her be adventuring.
I really have no idea why people are giving it a pass, between the voice actors and plot contrivances to take all the attention off of the titular character makes the whole thing a clusterfuck.
Just because there isn't a gay character doesn't mean that it isn't woke...have some standards.
Being slightly less fucked up than most animated films released now isn't exactly a glowing recommendation.
I think this is the result of the Overton window having been dragged so far to the left. Almost everything made in the West (and it's leaking into the East too for sure) is either:
'Soft' woke: There's some diversity and girlbossing, but it's fairly understated and isn't being aggressively, radically pushed in your face. It's not sufficiently offensive, nor does it shit on the male leads too hard, that it provokes the ire of more than a minority who will be written off as terminally online reactionaries even by people ostensibly leaning to the right. To use a LOTR comparison, think back to Arwen's expanded role in Fellowship of the Ring, or there being a smattering of black Northman villagers in The Hobbit films.
'Hard' woke: What we're more familiar with and which a lot more people are shitting on & walking away from. To continue the LOTR examples, think about the decision to have Arwen show up to the Battle of Helm's Deep in The Two Towers (later Jackson thought better of it, but there's still a split-second shot of Arwen being at the relief of the besieged Rohirrim that wasn't cut in time) or the entirety of Rings of Power.
It's pretty damn difficult to find fiction of any sort with a consistently competent and respected straight white male lead, traditional gender roles, truly realistic levels of diversity, etc. in this day & age. And since even right-wingers who are at least marginally aware of and playing into the culture war want, nay, need entertainment so they can shut their brains off and pry their eyes away from the man-made horrors beyond our comprehension invading every facet of existence, they will concentrate all their ire against 'hard woke' while making excuses for watching/reading/playing/whatever 'soft woke'.
So now we have even supposedly right-leaning critics like Critical Drinker and Ryan Kinel making excuses for stuff like last year's Prey, or this. For my own part, I'm content to stick to untainted classics (like say, the physical copies of the LOTR trilogy and the Silmarillion which I picked up in a garage sale) for my entertainment, because that's really the only way you can avoid wokedom's ever-present tendrils across modern entertainment.
To play a bit of a flipside with LOTR. The entire "I am no man" scene would be decried as "hard woke" from every corner possible if it came out today, and would probably dominate the discussion of RotK over anything else. That's another consequence of the Overton Window moving as it did. Nothing isn't political, and all choices in media are considered outright stances, to the point where both sides are locked in purity spirals to their death.
Not that I disagree with anything you said, simply offering a lament that even things that were once good cannot be trusted to be innocuous.
That scene got weakened by the movies not having time to go into the background of Glorfindel's prophecy (second narrative casualty of cutting the golden Noldorian), and the Arnor blades. It is debatable whether using the original identity reveal before the stab would restore nuance to the Witch-King's character, or mess up his radiating dread. But I certainly hate that Eowyn is stripped of her unique motivations when she is grouped with girl-boss characters from other media.
Also weakened by not having the background of Merry's Westernesse sword, that he obtained in Barrow-Downs. The blades had been forged specifically to fight against Angmar, and was enchanted to be able to harm the Witch-King. He was essential in breaking the spell that surrounded the Nazgûl, and just like Éowyn, he was a part of Glorfindel's prophecy, since as a hobbit he was not technically a part of mankind.
That is certain. I'm in a similar boat myself: if I could, I would certainly love to live in a time where we don't have to obsessively ponder whether X element in Y show is a sop to people who want to use my guts as a skipping rope in-between games of soccer with the heads of my family and friends. The dawning realization since Gamergate kicked off almost 10 years ago that that time is gone, buried and will probably not come back for the rest of my own lifespan, is one of my more personal motives to detest the left and all that they stand for.
Ah well. As a quote from one of my favorite fictional characters from a fairly recent work of fiction goes, "In the best of all possible worlds they would just leave us in peace. But they won't."
Cheers to that man.
I've recut my personal copy to remove those two seconds, and it makes my annual rewatch much more enjoyable.
Done right, it's an Achilles Heel moment, a monkey paw twist, a genie's revenge. The armor of immortality has a crack in the wording of its conveyance, and this is an enjoyable twist for the audience, if the reveal is done tastefully.
Taking off the helmet ruins all of that by providing a window of opportunity for the ring wraith to strike back. Cutting straight to the sword thrust instead allows the audience to understand that "no man" is taken literally instead of figuratively, and it turns a bad moment into a good one.
The real issue with this movie is that at the end of the day, much of fast-consumption pop-culture is just garbage, regardless of what social trends are in vogue. Tolkien warned us about Disney being part of the denigration of culture, but normie conservative only take notice when the hostility is this overt. It's not even about this specific movie beating current Disney is good or mediocre, but that excessive copyright law aids the funneling of hundreds of billions to these pests.
Because “conservatives” are all about elevating women over men, it’s why they get along with terfs so well.
Based and correct. Conservatism bred feminism.
Whaddaya mean it isn't glowing? Poso started it
This is classic Hegelian dialectic, which is basically just a fancy way of saying “shifted Overton Window”. Disney pushed extreme gay tranny shit, so now almost everyone on the right is totally comfortable with boilerplate bait-and-switch feminist idiocy.
Metroid ended with Fusion and no one can convince me otherwise.
Zero Mission is an outright improvement over the original in every way and that alone should convince you to allow it in.
And I think Prime 1/2 are downright excellent, and everything after Prime 2 shows it should be the stop.
File Zero Mission next to AM2R.
Prime can get fucked though. An absolute abomination.
We will agree to disagree on Prime then.
Both Samus Returns and Dread were fun
I'll stick with AM2R, thanks.
Sure, if you like tedious insta-deaths, excessive use of one-way doors, and recycled boss fights mixed in with your Metroid.
I don't like any of those things and still enjoyed it all the same. Only real complaint I had was it was too linear. I never really felt like I was exploring, just going thorough the level exactly as intended.
Oh it’s the usual bait and switch? So it’s not really about Mario?
It is and it isn’t. It’s very current year and girlboss for the first half, but Mario does get to come into his own in the second half.
This is the correct answer. I am far right but enjoyed this movie even though I saw flaws in it.
Just took it as a movie which entertained which is what they are meant to do.
The right (Excluding Trump?) isn't against female supremacists anymore.
That's my belief. They capitulated and now fight for female privilege.
I mean they are pushing back against male trannies getting into female sports, but no one's breathing a word about male spaces being invaded and/or dismantled by women, so I tend to think you're right about this.
Easy way to position himself against everyone in the youtube community that he thinks turned against him over that grifting thot. I doubt Tim gives a shit about the Mario movie being woke or not.
It’s sort of woke, at least in the first half. In the first half Peach is brilliant at everything and completely kicks ass for no reason while Mario gets dumped on and disrespected at every opportunity, they let him come into his own a little bit more as the movie goes on but it takes a while. By the end he’s portrayed as pretty competent and kick-ass.
On the plus side Peach isn’t very cunty to Mario as I feared she’d be, she seems to like him and they actually kind of tease a romance between the two which shocked me, I thought for sure she’d make it clear that she don’t need no man.
Went and saw the movie. She kick ass as you say because she was raised by the Toads at an early age in the mushroom kingdom (thus being proficient at traversing the world and its dangers) and was chosen as their princess to protect them because they were all a bunch of timid wimps, which fits cannon as far as I remember.
Now Mario, he's a case of the scrappy underdog. Him and Luigi struck out on their own and haven't gotten their big break yet at the beginning of the movie. Also, as you said, he develops competency in the mushroom kingdom after time and training, and was kicking ass left and right by the end.
I didn't see any overt wokeness in the movie, and actually enjoyed it.
Perhaps I’m just too sensitive to it from every other movie made these days. I just thought they dumped on him a little too much in the beginning, and it took longer for him to come into his own than I would have liked. I also wish they gave Luigi more to do, it would have been nice if he tried to escape or lead all of the prisoners or something.
I agree with the Luigi take, but he also stepped up at the end, showing that he may not be as brave as his brother, but he can overcome that fear to help him in his time of need.
Overall, it wasn't perfect, but I'm pleased with what was produced when compared to what they had to work with.
That definitely wasn't how they marketed the movie, maybe advertising did work on me and fooled me into thinking the girlboss stuff was worse than it actually is.
The movie is not woke, but it does get close. Never mind not being a damsel, Peach straight up has zero flaws, and they make it clear she would have stopped Bowser all on her own, but Mario was there so might as well have him help. Her personality wasn't insufferable but her character was borderline.
Also not a fan of Bowser being a simp for Peach. I know they started it in Odyssey but I didn't like it there either.
Bowser's been simping for Peach since Super Mario RPG, and even earlier in the expanded lore.
And, having just came from watching the movie, if she'd gone and gotten the Kongs' help on her own, she probably would have beaten DK, but then Bowser would still have beaten their army just like he did here, and she would have ended up overwhelmed when Bowser launched the Banzai Bill without Mario and DK there to make the save.
The frog has been boiled.
Having just came from the movie, and going in with terribly low expectations, I was pleasantly surprised. Peach didn't do anything she doesn't do in the games, got strong armed into marrying Bowser, and even when she made a play to escape it wouldn't have worked without Mario and DK there to save everyone.
It was annoying that Luigi got shoehorned into the damsel role, but he got to shine in the end, and Peach was sweet and nice and nurturing, like she's supposed to be. Even when she tried to be badass with the infamous halberd trailer shot, she drops it immediately when Kamek threatens Toad. Because her being badass isn't as important as her protecting her people.
Sounds like the marketers tried to present it as woker than it actually is.
I want to see Disney rotting in piss.
I can answer why nobody wants to say it's the enemy's work - it's successful.
Also, women being superior to men is slowly becoming accepted on the establishment right as they move on to whatever retarded cat following a laser pointer agenda women give them next.
i might have given it a pass had it been a completely original series. But the fact of the matter is that its Mario . Mario is hero, Peach is dasmel in distress and Luigi is comic relief and Mario's ally. The fact that they changed this established formula up is enough for me to call it woke .
They should have just pulled a Mario 2/3D World and had Mario, Luigi, Peach and Toad all go on the adventure together if they were going to have her be adventuring.
There’s like 10 spin-off games where Peach actually does stuff tbf
Stop trying to defend the movie
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The Pool boy gets it right. Guess the rapture is imminent.