It's amazing how someone can so completely turn culture upside-down and make the typical ideal family sound like a bad thing. Synthetic wombs free women to go back to work as corporate wage slaves. So empowering!
Even better will be if the artificial wombs gain common usage, but women's "inequality" doesn't improve at all because someone needs to take care of the children regardless.
It won't when the woke AI will be biased against your sons and try to turn your daughters into boys. Good luck trying to use a non-pozzed AI in the surveillance state, which would definitely make it illegal.
Oh boy! I can’t wait for manmade horrors beyond my comprehension! It’ll be worth the technological horror show because some women will be inconvenienced!
Lmao that you think that this would at all remove feminism’s power. The technology would be limited, and also would be tightly controlled. Controlled by the very governments and institutions controlled by feminism. Do you not realize this cuts both ways? By your own philosophy, wouldn’t feminists welcome the chance to cut themselves off from men entirely, to form enclaves where they breed only hordes of more women, forming close knit and impenetrable ideological sets?
If everything that you think is true (worth noting that it isn’t- COVID and the vaccines were not genetically engineered by a cabal of women to wipe out men, as just one example), this would herald the actual ability to implement Solanas’s ideas. Technology is not a solution to an ideological problem. You have to address the actual ideological roots, which you are not capable of doing since you are essentially the male Solanas.
“If we give the people I think want to kill us a method to make us obsolete, then our victory is assured!”
I won’t even go into all the other myriad issues with your philosophy. The fact that by your own standards you are happy to hand victory over to those you say are vile enemies is enough to show your utter incoherency.
I don’t have a “plan” to address what you see as the problem because I think the problem is different. I don’t think the issue is that women are conspiring against men and if we could just return to a strong patriarchal society we would have no issues.
As a stop gap, what needs to be done is to build up strong places and strong bonds of trust. Make families, make friends, build communities, and build each other up in truth, virtue, and God to be able to ride out the coming storm. What comes next? Who can say. But we won’t find salvation in technological ascendency- it has never demonstrably fixed any of the core issues in mankind. That path has already been walked a number of times.
You need 1 thing to utterly crush female privilege:
Artificial sex partners, be it sexbots (unlikely) or VR AI sexbots (extremely likely and probably within 10-20 years). This alone would break about 95% of the privilege women have, since most men would quickly prefer to seek sexual satisfaction from AI, and real women simply couldn't compete. And how is a real woman going to compete with an AI that's been trained on billions of examples of what makes women hot/sexy? Hell, lots of men already simp for low quality fakes like Vtubers and 2D waifus from anime.
AI will also be able to emotionally support you better than a real woman. Again, trained on billions upon billions of data points on how to do so.
It doesn't matter if you need women to reproduce. If women totally lose their sexual power over men, simps cease to exist, and women are forced into a competition in which they are markedly inferior. The women have to go begging for men willing to impregnate them. Pretty much all obnoxious female behavior would disappear since men would universally not put up with it anymore. It is the women who would become the simps, the power relationships will be completely reversed. Women will be a permanent underclass by virtue of the fact that men are superior in any competitive endeavor, and without simps to defect and do things like give women "rights" the natural course of affairs will be to re-subjugate them.
While I think your future is the more plausible one, in my somewhat more hopeful future men collectively come to their senses and conclude that sex isn't the highest purpose.
Then stop sacrificing whatever their higher purpose is in pursuit of sex.
Human nature doesn't just come to a halt like that. The only hedge against it was male hobbies which acted as support groups. Those were the first to be destroyed.
I know and I don't think it is human nature. Lust as "normal" is inculcated into men by our subverted culture and parents are afraid of being "square" so they aren't trying to counter it, with few exceptions.
The challenge with that is they will try their damned hardest to make it illegal like how they try make every single female character in games/shows to be ugly as sin. Japan might save us with hot characters, but can't rely on them to not get completely fucked within the next decade or so
The challenge with that is they will try their damned hardest to make it illegal
They can't. Pornography is constitutionally protected free speech in the United States. There's literally nothing they can do. The Left is generally pro-porn anyway, by the time they realize it has done them in, it will be too late.
banks and payment processors that ban the use of money for porn.
You say that, and yet Onlyfans still exists, doesn't it? The hysteria that credit companies were going to back door an internet porn ban turned out to be just overactive imaginations. It didn't actually happen.
Also as time goes on, the credit card companies are going to lose a lot of their power since there are many alternative technologies and companies, and so the risk of them all acting in concert will drop to 0.
They will just lean into the 80/20 rule even more, and embrace worse deviancy for those 20%. Will need 2 generations of dying spinsters, but then they will probably mandate that men must sponsor a used ho.
I also fully expect a bachelor tax. They already have men as disposable class citizens considering family court, and the draft.
You have to remember that once the simps get captured by AI, women lose all political power. The only reason women have so much political power right now is that women vote as a block, while men split because simps betray their gender in the hopes for a sniff of a crumb of pussy.
Your imagination is that there is going to be some sort of female Taliban. With what army? Men have all the power and will to fight, women have almost none.
Women only got the right to vote because men chose to give it to them.
Think women will be smart enough to realize that this would enable us to cut them out entirely? Children are the only reason to deal with women on a non pay for play basis these days. Take that away and MGTOW becomes an option for men who know how awful Western women are but have a strong desire for children.
Tennessee just banned genital mutilation with a sweeping law that has an exception to allow circumcision. Alabama did the same. Female draft laws remain illusive for the same reason. They have enough to keep their Queens in power.
Why are you bringing up TERFs? Normalized among and by whom? Feminists run the world, what does that have to do with "the tradcuck right"? I hope you realize stuff you say like "something they clearly caused" doesn't make sense to most people who are blissfully unaware of the More Feminine Way.
I don't think we're arguing anything different about the outcome. You've just got the organizational structure backwards. Legally what will happen is women will use their power to convince "conservative" leadership in red states to pass their laws. Is that what you mean by "clearly they do have power"? Those "conservative" governments are more aligned with liberal feminists than whoever you're calling tradcucks. Whores > Simps.
If you mean why do TERFs still have any voice in politics and are not entirely culturally blackballed, it's because people on both sides of politics are disgusted by trannies. The side in power just pretends otherwise in public. This lets TERFs sit comfortably in the middle playing up the "Radical Feminist" role to the Left, and the "Trans-exclusionary" part to the Right.
But I'd argue that TERFs aren't even all that normalized. "LGB Without the T" were suspended more than once. JKR is simply too powerful to be cancelled. It's feminists that run things. That's who will ban or regulate artificial wombs in every jurisdiction they control, no matter who is nominally in charge.
Artificial wombs don't matter. Almost no man seeks out women for procreation. Instead, 99% of the motivation for men to cater to women is to obtain sex from a position of weakness and lesser bargaining power.
This is why older accomplished men totally dominate over women, because old women lack the sexual power young women do, so old women have to put in more effort and woo and impress and cater to older men. Single women 40+ have a really tough time dating.
It’s hilarious that anyone thinks women will remain viable once personalized AI and the the artificial womb hit. Our society is so feminized that they won’t even see the blow coming and women will experience what real depression looks like when they aren’t even able to ride the cock carousel because they can’t compete.
It won't be enough and still opens the door to a matrix style nightmare. Why do I say that, because of sex toys.
It's very telling that for a lot of women, guys can be replaced by a plastic dick. Whereas men create entire industries and heavily researching robotics. Men have need for companionship so unless you also have robotics mixed in to provide that, even with childbirth taken out they can still hold sway.
Women will still have their primary purpose which is to vote for technocratic governments in massive, reliable numbers. Any group that can be swayed by grievance (even when totally unreasonable) into a voting bloc will continue to be catered to in society.
Artificial wombs will remove the only value women have. Wealthy men will produce sons with no need for wife. Hyperintelligent autists who would normally be utterly useless with women will proliferate.
Once we can reproduce without women, we will gradually eradicate the female.
It's amazing how someone can so completely turn culture upside-down and make the typical ideal family sound like a bad thing. Synthetic wombs free women to go back to work as corporate wage slaves. So empowering!
They only think in terms of conflict. They don't even consider a married couple as a cooperative team.
Give it a rest.
Even better will be if the artificial wombs gain common usage, but women's "inequality" doesn't improve at all because someone needs to take care of the children regardless.
It won't when the woke AI will be biased against your sons and try to turn your daughters into boys. Good luck trying to use a non-pozzed AI in the surveillance state, which would definitely make it illegal.
Social conditioning that women are the "carers" despite men historically being the sole guardian responsible for the kids during a split.
Oh boy! I can’t wait for manmade horrors beyond my comprehension! It’ll be worth the technological horror show because some women will be inconvenienced!
Lmao that you think that this would at all remove feminism’s power. The technology would be limited, and also would be tightly controlled. Controlled by the very governments and institutions controlled by feminism. Do you not realize this cuts both ways? By your own philosophy, wouldn’t feminists welcome the chance to cut themselves off from men entirely, to form enclaves where they breed only hordes of more women, forming close knit and impenetrable ideological sets?
If everything that you think is true (worth noting that it isn’t- COVID and the vaccines were not genetically engineered by a cabal of women to wipe out men, as just one example), this would herald the actual ability to implement Solanas’s ideas. Technology is not a solution to an ideological problem. You have to address the actual ideological roots, which you are not capable of doing since you are essentially the male Solanas.
“If we give the people I think want to kill us a method to make us obsolete, then our victory is assured!”
I won’t even go into all the other myriad issues with your philosophy. The fact that by your own standards you are happy to hand victory over to those you say are vile enemies is enough to show your utter incoherency.
I don’t have a “plan” to address what you see as the problem because I think the problem is different. I don’t think the issue is that women are conspiring against men and if we could just return to a strong patriarchal society we would have no issues.
As a stop gap, what needs to be done is to build up strong places and strong bonds of trust. Make families, make friends, build communities, and build each other up in truth, virtue, and God to be able to ride out the coming storm. What comes next? Who can say. But we won’t find salvation in technological ascendency- it has never demonstrably fixed any of the core issues in mankind. That path has already been walked a number of times.
You need 1 thing to utterly crush female privilege:
Artificial sex partners, be it sexbots (unlikely) or VR AI sexbots (extremely likely and probably within 10-20 years). This alone would break about 95% of the privilege women have, since most men would quickly prefer to seek sexual satisfaction from AI, and real women simply couldn't compete. And how is a real woman going to compete with an AI that's been trained on billions of examples of what makes women hot/sexy? Hell, lots of men already simp for low quality fakes like Vtubers and 2D waifus from anime.
AI will also be able to emotionally support you better than a real woman. Again, trained on billions upon billions of data points on how to do so.
It doesn't matter if you need women to reproduce. If women totally lose their sexual power over men, simps cease to exist, and women are forced into a competition in which they are markedly inferior. The women have to go begging for men willing to impregnate them. Pretty much all obnoxious female behavior would disappear since men would universally not put up with it anymore. It is the women who would become the simps, the power relationships will be completely reversed. Women will be a permanent underclass by virtue of the fact that men are superior in any competitive endeavor, and without simps to defect and do things like give women "rights" the natural course of affairs will be to re-subjugate them.
While I think your future is the more plausible one, in my somewhat more hopeful future men collectively come to their senses and conclude that sex isn't the highest purpose.
Then stop sacrificing whatever their higher purpose is in pursuit of sex.
Human nature doesn't just come to a halt like that. The only hedge against it was male hobbies which acted as support groups. Those were the first to be destroyed.
I know and I don't think it is human nature. Lust as "normal" is inculcated into men by our subverted culture and parents are afraid of being "square" so they aren't trying to counter it, with few exceptions.
The challenge with that is they will try their damned hardest to make it illegal like how they try make every single female character in games/shows to be ugly as sin. Japan might save us with hot characters, but can't rely on them to not get completely fucked within the next decade or so
They can't. Pornography is constitutionally protected free speech in the United States. There's literally nothing they can do. The Left is generally pro-porn anyway, by the time they realize it has done them in, it will be too late.
Tell that to the social credit score system and banks and payment processors that ban the use of money for porn.
The one in China?
You say that, and yet Onlyfans still exists, doesn't it? The hysteria that credit companies were going to back door an internet porn ban turned out to be just overactive imaginations. It didn't actually happen.
Also as time goes on, the credit card companies are going to lose a lot of their power since there are many alternative technologies and companies, and so the risk of them all acting in concert will drop to 0.
Past courts made that ruling. Future courts can undo that ruling. States are passing laws and ignoring federal court decisions more and more too.
They will just lean into the 80/20 rule even more, and embrace worse deviancy for those 20%. Will need 2 generations of dying spinsters, but then they will probably mandate that men must sponsor a used ho.
I also fully expect a bachelor tax. They already have men as disposable class citizens considering family court, and the draft.
You have to remember that once the simps get captured by AI, women lose all political power. The only reason women have so much political power right now is that women vote as a block, while men split because simps betray their gender in the hopes for a sniff of a crumb of pussy.
Your imagination is that there is going to be some sort of female Taliban. With what army? Men have all the power and will to fight, women have almost none.
Women only got the right to vote because men chose to give it to them.
Think women will be smart enough to realize that this would enable us to cut them out entirely? Children are the only reason to deal with women on a non pay for play basis these days. Take that away and MGTOW becomes an option for men who know how awful Western women are but have a strong desire for children.
Yes they will change the law and hospital regulations to make it so.
The tradcuck right has no institutional power.
Tennessee just banned genital mutilation with a sweeping law that has an exception to allow circumcision. Alabama did the same. Female draft laws remain illusive for the same reason. They have enough to keep their Queens in power.
Why are you bringing up TERFs? Normalized among and by whom? Feminists run the world, what does that have to do with "the tradcuck right"? I hope you realize stuff you say like "something they clearly caused" doesn't make sense to most people who are blissfully unaware of the More Feminine Way.
I don't think we're arguing anything different about the outcome. You've just got the organizational structure backwards. Legally what will happen is women will use their power to convince "conservative" leadership in red states to pass their laws. Is that what you mean by "clearly they do have power"? Those "conservative" governments are more aligned with liberal feminists than whoever you're calling tradcucks. Whores > Simps.
If you mean why do TERFs still have any voice in politics and are not entirely culturally blackballed, it's because people on both sides of politics are disgusted by trannies. The side in power just pretends otherwise in public. This lets TERFs sit comfortably in the middle playing up the "Radical Feminist" role to the Left, and the "Trans-exclusionary" part to the Right.
But I'd argue that TERFs aren't even all that normalized. "LGB Without the T" were suspended more than once. JKR is simply too powerful to be cancelled. It's feminists that run things. That's who will ban or regulate artificial wombs in every jurisdiction they control, no matter who is nominally in charge.
Artificial wombs don't matter. Almost no man seeks out women for procreation. Instead, 99% of the motivation for men to cater to women is to obtain sex from a position of weakness and lesser bargaining power.
This is why older accomplished men totally dominate over women, because old women lack the sexual power young women do, so old women have to put in more effort and woo and impress and cater to older men. Single women 40+ have a really tough time dating.
It’s hilarious that anyone thinks women will remain viable once personalized AI and the the artificial womb hit. Our society is so feminized that they won’t even see the blow coming and women will experience what real depression looks like when they aren’t even able to ride the cock carousel because they can’t compete.
It won't be enough and still opens the door to a matrix style nightmare. Why do I say that, because of sex toys.
It's very telling that for a lot of women, guys can be replaced by a plastic dick. Whereas men create entire industries and heavily researching robotics. Men have need for companionship so unless you also have robotics mixed in to provide that, even with childbirth taken out they can still hold sway.
Women will still have their primary purpose which is to vote for technocratic governments in massive, reliable numbers. Any group that can be swayed by grievance (even when totally unreasonable) into a voting bloc will continue to be catered to in society.
Synthetic wombs. Coming right after sentient AI.
Artificial wombs will remove the only value women have. Wealthy men will produce sons with no need for wife. Hyperintelligent autists who would normally be utterly useless with women will proliferate.
Once we can reproduce without women, we will gradually eradicate the female.
I can't wait for this. Yes I know it's far from ideal.
It would however, make an oppportunity to give my parents grand-kid(s).