Can confirm. When I was puked upon by Steven Universe was when I was done with that style. Until then I used to lament the awful style of Bravo and Dexter, but the shows were still funny.
I always disliked it because I felt it looked cheap. Gravity falls is one of the only shows that I liked that features it, probably because they seem to (at least from the few episodes I have seen) put a pretty decent amount of detail into backgrounds.
But then there is Steven universe, which has both cheap design and cheap backgrounds., with the majority of its set pieces and animation being fairly low quality
Ackchually you need to go back much further - It really started its decline in the 60s as the animators all unionized and drove up the costs of animation in the US leading to fewer animators to cut costs and simplified drawing techniques/styles to compensate, especially for TV animation. Disney kept it afloat with movies but even those saw a decline in quality (EG compare Cinderella to Jungle Book to Robin Hood.) until the resurgence with The Little Mermaid.
During the late 70s and 80s animation studios got around the labor costs by outsourcing the animation to the asian markets which is why you see a 'boost' in quality around this time but these costs also increased and, in the 90s, animation shifted back to domestic production which is how you end up with the CalArts stuff.
Even before that: in the 1950s when animation moved from theaters to the small screens of television, animators were advised to simplify everything and cut out details because audiences simply could not see them. Also, a lot of shows were produced on the cheap by small studios with a handful of artists who weren't necessarily that good. So Western animation on TV started out bad and stayed that way until the outsourced Japanese animation came back in the 1980s.
It was trash by the 90's, because that's when "Captain Planet and the Planeteers" came out. It would be woke even by today's standards. The 90's were awful.
I think a lot of people forgot, or were too young to remember (or were just plain born after), the political correctness craze of the '90s. That was where the War on Christmas started, Stanford developed a speech code which wouldn't at all be out of place in any of today's woke colleges but got struck down in a court case in 1995, the seeds of bullshit like Afrocentrism which had been planted in the '60s were starting to really bear fruit, race riots like the 1992 one in LA still happened, and animation definitely wasn't spared.
Even setting aside obvious examples like Captain Planet, '90s animation had its share of 'diverse' Mary Sue characters being shoved in to show up the existing cast and/or lecture the kids watching in a heavy-handed manner ('very special episodes' relating to race, sex, etc.). The pushers of that garbage had to back off somewhat after political correctness got major pushback from society at the time and rendered a public joke, but as is obvious now they didn't permanently fuck off, they just laid low until a more favorable sociocultural environment had been manufactured by their allies in the education system who were allowed to fester like a gangrenous wound this entire time.
Animation was always bad. Just like art was always bad, and music was always bad, and food trends were always bad.
Only the good stuff (or the TRULY awful, good in its own way) gets remembered. There's a natural filtration system. No one is going to reminisce on "Cadillacs And Dinosaurs" or "The Smoggies", because they really weren't all that amazing.
In that manner, comparing the present to the past in inherently unfair, because comparing to the past has the power of actually being in your memory, of actually having an impact, compared to what you're picking from the present.
one thing I wonder is why specifically every gay character has to be a woman. If you look up "lgbtq cartoon characters", I'm certain at least half of them will be lesbian or bisexual women.
...50% of them will be women? Well, hate to break it to you, but there's only two sexes. In an equal random distribution, it should be 50-50.
Does anime fare better?
Art has generally significantly declined in the same manner as the west: Only the good stuff is remembered. As for gay characters, anime has had them for the longest time. Haruhi Suzumiya regularly sexually assaulted the women in her club for her own pleasure, and she's hardly the only female character to get a-fondling when the boobs present themselves. And for males, Cardcaptor Sakura had the two guardian guys, magical girl series in general tend to have "non-threatening" males, which for young female audiences, means ones with no sexual behaviors towards them, so you see gay men a lot in Mahou Shoujo.
G/T tends to be background characters, while L/B could be either/or. Most L tends to be fanservice excuses and actually just B, though. IE the Haruhi example above, she loves stripping and assaulting the poor maid, but it's obvious she still has a standard romantic pairing with Kyon.
What you said isn't true. Some things have really gotten worse. If you compare the best to the best (so, doing an apples to apples comparison) you'll find certain decades absolutely crushed it. The 1970s, and 1990s had fantastic movies. Movies these days are recycled, and unoriginal. So fucking bland.
And do you know why? The TV and movie industry is filled with friends, and family. It's run by rich children who didn't have to fight their way to the top. The shit being produced today is being made by individuals lacking in talent. It is not a meritocracy, and hasn't been for a very long time.
Hollywood does not have any open doors. You have to know people, and that creates garbage. It's not survival of the best. It's survival of who is your daddy, or mommy.
This applies to other parts of the entertainment industry, too. What society is being fed is created by spoiled brats.
People didn't hate the Calarts style until it became synonymous with insufferably woke faggot shit like Steven Universe.
Can confirm. When I was puked upon by Steven Universe was when I was done with that style. Until then I used to lament the awful style of Bravo and Dexter, but the shows were still funny.
How were Johnny Bravo and Dexter's Lab "awful?"
Especially since Dexter's Lab was Genndy fucking Tartakovsky.
The Picasso art style.
This is the first and only time I've ever heard anyone use "Picasso" to describe those shows.
I do not see where you're coming from at all.
I always disliked it because I felt it looked cheap. Gravity falls is one of the only shows that I liked that features it, probably because they seem to (at least from the few episodes I have seen) put a pretty decent amount of detail into backgrounds.
But then there is Steven universe, which has both cheap design and cheap backgrounds., with the majority of its set pieces and animation being fairly low quality
Ackchually you need to go back much further - It really started its decline in the 60s as the animators all unionized and drove up the costs of animation in the US leading to fewer animators to cut costs and simplified drawing techniques/styles to compensate, especially for TV animation. Disney kept it afloat with movies but even those saw a decline in quality (EG compare Cinderella to Jungle Book to Robin Hood.) until the resurgence with The Little Mermaid. During the late 70s and 80s animation studios got around the labor costs by outsourcing the animation to the asian markets which is why you see a 'boost' in quality around this time but these costs also increased and, in the 90s, animation shifted back to domestic production which is how you end up with the CalArts stuff.
Even before that: in the 1950s when animation moved from theaters to the small screens of television, animators were advised to simplify everything and cut out details because audiences simply could not see them. Also, a lot of shows were produced on the cheap by small studios with a handful of artists who weren't necessarily that good. So Western animation on TV started out bad and stayed that way until the outsourced Japanese animation came back in the 1980s.
That's certainly why I got into anime in the mid-'90s. It looked NOTHING like any American cartoon I'd ever seen.
It was trash by the 90's, because that's when "Captain Planet and the Planeteers" came out. It would be woke even by today's standards. The 90's were awful.
I think a lot of people forgot, or were too young to remember (or were just plain born after), the political correctness craze of the '90s. That was where the War on Christmas started, Stanford developed a speech code which wouldn't at all be out of place in any of today's woke colleges but got struck down in a court case in 1995, the seeds of bullshit like Afrocentrism which had been planted in the '60s were starting to really bear fruit, race riots like the 1992 one in LA still happened, and animation definitely wasn't spared.
Even setting aside obvious examples like Captain Planet, '90s animation had its share of 'diverse' Mary Sue characters being shoved in to show up the existing cast and/or lecture the kids watching in a heavy-handed manner ('very special episodes' relating to race, sex, etc.). The pushers of that garbage had to back off somewhat after political correctness got major pushback from society at the time and rendered a public joke, but as is obvious now they didn't permanently fuck off, they just laid low until a more favorable sociocultural environment had been manufactured by their allies in the education system who were allowed to fester like a gangrenous wound this entire time.
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That would never fly today. Too many Whites, more than zero redheads.
Yes, that's what Demolition Man satirized. Before people got woke, they were politically correct.
Captain Planet was Ted Turner going "I made it, therefore it makes air."
It's why WCW lasted so long, despite being in the red for all but one year of their existence (1997). Ted Turner would always bail them out.
Then the AOL-TimeWarner merger happened. Ted was removed from power. Bye-bye WCW.
Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
Animation was always bad. Just like art was always bad, and music was always bad, and food trends were always bad.
Only the good stuff (or the TRULY awful, good in its own way) gets remembered. There's a natural filtration system. No one is going to reminisce on "Cadillacs And Dinosaurs" or "The Smoggies", because they really weren't all that amazing.
In that manner, comparing the present to the past in inherently unfair, because comparing to the past has the power of actually being in your memory, of actually having an impact, compared to what you're picking from the present.
...50% of them will be women? Well, hate to break it to you, but there's only two sexes. In an equal random distribution, it should be 50-50.
Art has generally significantly declined in the same manner as the west: Only the good stuff is remembered. As for gay characters, anime has had them for the longest time. Haruhi Suzumiya regularly sexually assaulted the women in her club for her own pleasure, and she's hardly the only female character to get a-fondling when the boobs present themselves. And for males, Cardcaptor Sakura had the two guardian guys, magical girl series in general tend to have "non-threatening" males, which for young female audiences, means ones with no sexual behaviors towards them, so you see gay men a lot in Mahou Shoujo.
G/T tends to be background characters, while L/B could be either/or. Most L tends to be fanservice excuses and actually just B, though. IE the Haruhi example above, she loves stripping and assaulting the poor maid, but it's obvious she still has a standard romantic pairing with Kyon.
What you said isn't true. Some things have really gotten worse. If you compare the best to the best (so, doing an apples to apples comparison) you'll find certain decades absolutely crushed it. The 1970s, and 1990s had fantastic movies. Movies these days are recycled, and unoriginal. So fucking bland.
And do you know why? The TV and movie industry is filled with friends, and family. It's run by rich children who didn't have to fight their way to the top. The shit being produced today is being made by individuals lacking in talent. It is not a meritocracy, and hasn't been for a very long time.
Hollywood does not have any open doors. You have to know people, and that creates garbage. It's not survival of the best. It's survival of who is your daddy, or mommy.
This applies to other parts of the entertainment industry, too. What society is being fed is created by spoiled brats.
My comment on your previous post basically addresses it.
It started with the 60's and 70's with the rise of Saturday Morning cartoons.
You can use the saved comments feature! You'll have faster access to it in the future so you don't have to look for finding it again.
To anyone looking for a solid animated film, the new puss in boots is pretty good. Really nice animation, and a solid story too.
Excellent.
When obama took office...
Ironic, that men wanting to be 'in' women, led to women being let 'in'.
Write. A. Fucking. Novel.