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Daily Beast: "[Kari Lake] Was Supposed to Be Unelectable. Now She’s the Favorite....Democrats are wondering how that happened." (archive.ph)
posted 3 years ago by AntonioOfVenice 3 years ago by AntonioOfVenice +52 / -0
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– TentElephant 33 points 3 years ago +33 / -0

While she has hardly even pretended to tack to the center

And there's your problem. Tacking to the center is a common assumption among the politerati. When Republicans tack to the left, they lose like Romney. When Republicans tack to the right, they crush it like Trump or Nixon. Democrats always need to tack to the right. Both sides pretend to be right to get elected, which through the insane lens of the beltway appears to be the center between them and the people, then govern far left.

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– deleted 18 points 3 years ago +18 / -0
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– MattTheBlack 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

Democrats are the irrationally racist if we accept the nu meaning of racism. Republicans are right when they say that but it is utterly retarded that when they do it in response to being attacked with bullshit accusations.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0

Romney tacked to the left on social issues and to the hard-right on economic issues.

Social liberalism and economic conservatism has the fewest number of adherents, except among the elites.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 20 points 3 years ago +20 / -0

Hard right lol, pretty sure taxation = slavery was not a plank on his platform. I assume you're referring to Paul Ryan's dumb idea to campaign on reforming SS/Medicare.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

That, and the 47% crap.

Although I'm not sure even a better candidate would have beaten Obama.

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– JustHereForTheSalmon 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

It didn't matter who went up against Obama in 2008. The economic disaster was 100% successfully pinned on Republicans with not even a "no contest" out of Bush. The money pit that was the war on terror was 100% successfully pinned on Republicans despite every single Democrat voting for it with again a "no contest" out of GOP leadership. The race was Obama's to lose and with all the support from the former CIA director's son, they made sure it would be his turn.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

It didn't matter who went up against Obama in 2008. The economic disaster was 100% successfully pinned on Republicans with not even a "no contest" out of Bush.

It makes more sense to blame it on Bush than on say Barney Frank, which the right tried do so. That said, I'm pretty sure there's plenty of blame to go around.

money pit that was the war on terror was 100% successfully pinned on Republicans despite every single Democrat voting for it with again a "no contest" out of GOP leadership

But not for Iraq. The GOP allowed itself to be the stooges of the neocons and even called people opposing the war in Iraq 'traitors'. In retrospect, can people not admit that Obama was right when he said that he did not oppose wars, just dumb wars like the one in Iraq?

The race was Obama's to lose and with all the support from the former CIA director's son, they made sure it would be his turn.

Yes, Obama was very charismatic and had the media's strong backing. I don't think anyone could have won. Romney just made it easy to beat him.

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– MLGS 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

2008 Obama was an invincible force of nature, 2012 Obama could have theoretically been beaten by an actual candidate.

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– Kaarous 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

47% is about the only correct thing Romney has ever said.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

How very Christian of you. But then again, your racial ideas aren't either.

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– Kaarous 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Ah yes, the atheist has the gall to lecture others as to the tenets of a religion he doesn't follow.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I don't need to be a Christian to realize that Christianity is diametrically opposed to Nazism, or your worship of wealth and the wealthy.

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... continue reading thread?
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– Ahaus667 12 points 3 years ago +12 / -0

Romney was the one who implemented Obamacare in Massachusetts. He was a neocon joke from day one.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Like most politicians, just more obviously in his case, Romney has no opinions. He'll take whatever position thinks will get him into office. He thought adopting that health care plan would help him by having a 'success'. That's all. There's nothing else.

"I'll double Guantanamo" - remember that?

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– deleted 21 points 3 years ago +21 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

People associate good communication with job fitness

They associate it with intelligence. Many times I've seen people make unjustified conclusions about someone's intelligence based on eloquence or lack thereof.

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– SR388-SAX 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0

Back in 2016, when I still had a glimmer of hope that the Democrats weren't completely insane, I was genuinely hopeful that the loss to Donald Trump would force them to take a moment of introspection.

Instead, they doubled down on absolutely everything and added a whole host of new forms of crazy, and at this point, I think the core of the party has sincerely bought into their own lies. It's one thing to tell lies about your opponent to try to win (not laudable, but at least an effective tactic) but if you actually believe the lies yourself ... well, you end up where the Democrats are today. Completely impenetrable by reality.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

Back in 2016, when I still had a glimmer of hope that the Democrats weren't completely insane

Honest to God, I was supporting Hillary Clinton until late in 2016. I though Trump was crazy and would start a nuclear war (ironic innit). In my defense, I'm European.

It's one thing to tell lies about your opponent to try to win (not laudable, but at least an effective tactic) but if you actually believe the lies yourself ... well, you end up where the Democrats are today. Completely impenetrable by reality.

There's plenty of crazy on our side as well (e.g. Paul Pelosi being in a gay affair or whatever, with 0 evidence), but yeah, it's much worse on theirs. However, I think they're not really believers but just obedient. If the media told ceased telling them lies about Trump, they'd cease believing them.

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– elleand202 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

There's plenty of crazy on our side as well (e.g. Paul Pelosi being in a gay affair or whatever, with 0 evidence),

Considering how the media and Democrats immediately decided to smear all conservatives as fomenting violence without any evidence, I don't feel bad at all smearing Pelosi as a homosexual on the cruise. In fact, I'd bet that most people are just saying he's gay mostly as a smear.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

He's done nothing to me, or you, so I don't think a 'smear' is justified against someone who was the victim of a violent crime.

There are ways to push back on media and politicians politicizing this without either downplaying or appearing to downplay what happened here.

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– SR388-SAX 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

He's done nothing to me, or you

He's gotten filthy rich off of opportune stock trades made on insider trading through his wife. Fuck him.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

You know that for a fact, or is that just supposition?

And even if he's done whatever, he doesn't deserve to be attacked by a hammer-wielding druggie illegal.

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– SR388-SAX 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

(e.g. Paul Pelosi being in a gay affair or whatever, with 0 evidence)

That's not crazy, that's just funny.

Crazy is, "we need to mutilate the genitals of children and you have to pay for it or you're a bigot." There is nothing even close to this level of insanity on the Republican side.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

"We're less crazy than the other guys" isn't really an appealing slogan.

Literally anything that is spun by the media as being bad for the right, the right makes up ridiculous excuses for.

It's better than "I get Rand Paul's neighbor", but it's still not great.

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– SoctaticMethod1 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Because one seems competent, the other runs away from an actual journalist trying to ask questions, it ain't rocket science.

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– cccpneveragain 9 points 3 years ago +9 / -0

Perhaps they should find a mirror and see how it happened. I've not even followed the Arizona race that much so I don't know why, but the fact the Democrats are passing Usain Bolt in the sprint to the left is a huge reason regardless.

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– deleted 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0
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– MLGS 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

It turns out that if you run an authentic right wing campaign, have charisma, and hit back at the news ghouls when they start the sneery routine instead of cowering in fear, actual adult alive American citizens generally like you.

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– bloodguard 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I'm kind of getting a Tulsi Gabbard Manchurian candidate vibe from Kari Lake. I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised, though.

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– GimmeFuelGimmeFire 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

How much did the DNC donate to help her win the primary? I can't wait to see how many ULTRA MAGA republicans win office off the backs of millions of dollars of donations that were rerouted to help MAGA candidates beat neocons for seats across the country.

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– deleted 17 points 3 years ago +17 / -0
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– Assassin47 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

And their Democrat is an utterly shit candidate. She doesn't have the massive election fraud network that Biden had supporting her.

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– Erithal 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Katie Hobbs is so abysmal that she took the guaranteed loss of momentum from skipping the Gubernatorial Debate rather than risk a gaffe or a 'gotcha' moment from Kari Lake.

She'd rather just run from her opponent than for office. Let that sink in.

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– deleted 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

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