Just further evidence the whole "Jan 6th Committee" is glowing like a nuclear blast. Not that anyone sane needed more evidence, and the TDS crowd just won't care
Honestly the only ppl that care are those who treat Trump hatred like porn. People say I should let it go but it still pisses me off that we had months of rioting but Jan 6 is what the media wants us to be concerned about.
My stance has always been if you blew off the “summer of love” then you have no right to be mad about J6. I can see him losing votes that way. Honestly annoys me that he kept pushing stop the steak and release the kraken.
Trump supporters whose family members who were arrested over J6 clearly won't be voting for him again.
Running Trump again is intentionally making it much harder for the right to ever win 2024 outside the margin of fraud let alone actually get some good governance after it.
Yes, Trump did a good job with the economy from 2017-2019 but 2020 onwards soured me completely on a Trump 2024 run.
He cucked to Fauci and Birx on COVID lockdowns and on the cancer that is Operation Warpspeed.
So many of his own supporters have lost their jobs and livelihoods because of Trump's shitty "vaxxes". Trump still has the gall to say he is proud of the vaxxes even after he was booed at an Alabama rally. He recently bragged about the vaxxes by saying "I am proud of the word that I am not allowed to say".
He failed to stop the BLM riots and was afraid to invoke the Insurrection Act.
He failed to stop election fraud even though he openly claimed it would happen months before the election.
He didn't pardon any people who HE told to come on that clown day in January.
He didn't pardon Julian Assange or Edward Snowden.
Many of his hires from the beginning have been abysmal but the ones that stand out in horribleness are Jerome Adams, his surgeon general and his attorney general William Barr. Adams is currently still engaging in COVID hysteria while pushing equity wokeness. Barr refused to look at any election fraud cases and now constantly attacks Trump and his supporters.
The Trump we got from 2020-2022 is a weak man that I am tired of making rationalizations and excuses for.
In 2024, we must move forward with a new pick not backwards.
So far I am leaning DeSantis 2024 but if someone better shows up, then I will switch over.
Still seeing calls of Trump 2024 from otherwise smart people like Robert Barnes and Richard Baris just utterly disappoints me.
The cults of personality that have developed around hating Trump irrationally or loving Trump irrationally are both pathetic.
The calls for Trump 2024 is mostly a case of "all we got."
Name anyone that the Republicuck might put forward that isn't a POS backstabber. DeSantis? I like him, and he's doing a great job with Florida, but then the issue is sacrificing Florida to some RINO or worse to roll the dice on a Presidency run.
The short list is who? The same losers from 2016?
All Rand Paul does is roast Fauci in front of cameras and a microphone but has been completely ineffective in mustering any kind of counterattack for lying under oath.
Cruz is a fucking snake, keeping his "based bills" in his hand until, oops, the left controls all the branches of government and they have zero chance of even making it out of committee. With power he's like a confused 9 year old with his dick in his hand.
Rubio is DOA thanks to Red Flag laws. Kasich is also DOA his write-in for McCain. Christie will probably be DOA due to his next chocolate cheesecake. Another run by a Bush? Man, I hope so simply for the memes, but lol.
Newcomers:
Gaetz? Not enough Congressional experience. At least the deep state planted Obama as a senator for a token 2 years before pushing him forward.
Pence? No way, not a chance. People that hate Trump will never vote for him for being his VP, and people that like Trump will never vote for him for certifying fake electors. Although I'd enjoy ads from his competition consisting completely of him being pals with Pelosi.
Tucker? No, for the same reasons that Limbaugh never ran. At least Limbaugh wrote his own material. I'd probably vote for his monologue writing team, though.
This is why "no one is coming to save you". Trump didn't realize we were shooting our wad with him. Last moonshot to save the republic and he didn't have the guts or wits to get it done and he let us down, period.
It is smarter to take a shot with DeSantis in 2024 than run a 78 year old Trump for the third time.
Trump supercharges turnout against him and makes the race close enough where mail in ballot fraud can be used to tilt the outcome of the race.
The media will be unable to create a Desantis Derangement Syndrome that is equal in power to Trump Derangement Syndrome.
They already tried to do so with the "Don't Say Gay" bill lies and that he hates Disney and it just didn't work.
DeSantis doesn't take the media bait like Trump does.
He generally pushes right wing policy that has support of 70 percent of the populace and he frames it so Democrats and their media are forced to defend the 30 percent position in order to oppose him.
It is much more strategic than Trump's outbursts.
DeSantis doesn't have Trump's personal baggage either.
TDS afflicted individuals hate Trump mainly over his personal life (womanizing, statements that the media lied about) and now J6. Rarely have I heard these clowns mention any policies.
DeSantis doesn't have nearly the same personal life baggage or any connection to J6 like Trump does.
Trump has shown exactly ZERO changes that would demonstrate that he's learned from his failings in his first term. He still begs for approval from the mainstream media. He has shown no ability to pick good people to fill the important appointed positions in Washington and another Trump term will likely be more chaos and leaks and stonewalling. He has not demonstrated any better understanding of foreign policy.
Also if Trump ran in 2024 he would spend most of his time talking about 2020 election. Also I agree about the blm riots he should’ve invoked the insurrection act. As I’ve mentioned before I’m black and thought his pandering came off as democrat style pandering because I’m black pilled on the point that the black vote will at most be 15% for Republicans and he thought he would get a lot more but you can’t ignore your base. I hear that he lost white male support but others say he didn’t. Honestly talking about jobs and business investment helps everyone. Hispanics shifting red is encouraging though.
I know it’s easy to say in hindsight but I wish he had seen that media was using covid to attack him and Fauci was feeding the hysteria
Trump picked Milley to be his top Army general despite Mattis warning Trump that he was an idiot and a snake. But because Trump was having a petty feud with Mattis at the time, that warning only elevated Milley in Trump's eyes. Milley was a self own, and yet another example of why Trump should not be given another term.
So far I am leaning DeSantis 2024 but if someone better shows up, then I will switch over.
I've said it before, and I am not going to stop saying that DeSantis needs to stay at the state level. The federal government is too corrupt to be fixed by just replacing one man. Starting from the state level and working up is the only way to fix it.
He also forced the money printers to start going overtime. ZeroHedge, rightly, wouldn't shut up about the debt-to-GDP ratio in real-time as the long-term economy kept trending downwards.
Democrats and MM didn't talk about it because it's political bread and butter, and they always want to do even worse. But that, and things like not getting the tax cuts to be permanent for non-corporations, sucks.
He fucked both his supporters and America really hard on the way out. Populist movement probably won't have another success for decades; huge opportunity waste.
Which is the only reason there are no restrictions anymore.
And still you're complaining about it? Come on.
Trump still has the gall to say he is proud of the vaxxes even after he was booed at an Alabama rally. He recently bragged about the vaxxes by saying "I am proud of the word that I am not allowed to say".
And he's right. The number of people who are happy with the Covid vaccines vastly outweigh the tiny number who fanatically hate them, and who despite wanting freedom of choice for themselves regarding vaccines, would like to deny it to others.
He failed to stop election fraud
Because it wasn't there in significant enough amounts to alter the outcome. All the shady stuff they did was legal, unfortunately.
He didn't pardon Julian Assange or Edward Snowden.
And yet the chances of him doing that are vastly greater than DeSantis doing it. I'll be happy if he proves me wrong.
The cults of personality that have developed around hating Trump irrationally or loving Trump irrationally are both pathetic.
Considering that you called Trump "the orange buffoon", echoing the childish attacks of the wokies, I'm not sure you have much standing to make this comment.
Which is the only reason there are no restrictions anymore.
When did this happen? Or are you just lying to cope with the fact that you've been pro-experimenting-on-unwitting-and-unwilling-humans even though the jabs were never fit for purpose and should have never been given an EUA?
Vaccine mandates still remain at the federal level for federal employees, contractors, anyone applying for citizenship or permanent residency and health care workers.
Operation Warspeed is why these mandates are able to exist today.
Without it, so many people would not be forced to take this unnecessary shitty vax.
Vaccine mandates still remain at the federal level for federal employees, contractors, anyone applying for citizenship or permanent residency and health care workers.
Which is bad, but it in no way affects you and does not justify your raging hatredd.
Operation Warspeed is why these mandates are able to exist today.
Without it, a vaccine probably would have been developed anyway (even Cuba managed it), and you'd probably have had more restrictions for a longer period of time.
VAERS data says otherwise and you refuse to accept the fact that the vaccine is shitty and that mandating it has harmed too many people.
Trump could have stopped election fraud by simply not engaging in a national lockdown in the first place. 15 days to flatten the spread were the pretext for mass mail in ballots.
We won't even know if DeSantis would pardon them or not until he is in a position to do so.
I don't attack Trump irrationally like the leftist clowns with TDS. The only few times I have ever called him an orange buffoon is when he praises the shitty vaxxes like on the day when he did at the Alabama rally.
No one who could possibly be President is going to pardon Snowden or Assange, though I still agree with your criticism's of Trump overall. I'd also add the First Step Act and Platinum Plan. I hate that Trump tried to normalize "putting black people in jail for committing crimes is racist" among the right. I don't think anyone but Trump could have gotten away with that, either. His charisma and showmanship allow him to get away with that kind of crap.
VAERS data says otherwise and you refuse to accept the fact that the vaccine is shitty and that mandating it has harmed too many people.
I didn't say it should be mandated though. I said that it's good that it's out there for those who want to take it. And I suppose you have to commit yourself to the idea that it's bad even for 80+ year olds, even though just being sane on the matter would make you a whole lot more persuasive when arguing against the tyrannical use of the vaccine.
Trump could have stopped election fraud by simply not engaging in a national lockdown in the first place.
He had no authority to shut down anything to begin with.
We won't even know if DeSantis would pardon them or not until he is in a position to do so.
Correct. But DeSantis is clearly more establishment than Trump, and the establishment hates them. That is why I am skeptical.
I don't attack Trump irrationally like the leftist clowns with TDS. The only few times I have ever called him an orange buffoon is when he praises the shitty vaxxes like on the day when he did at the Alabama rally.
That is irrational, and using the same vocabulary to boot.
The number of people who are happy with the Covid vaccines vastly outweigh the tiny number who fanatically hate them
Yeah, that’s what happens when speaking out against the experimental injections gets you canceled. Might as well point to Kim’s approval rating in NK, too.
and who despite wanting freedom of choice for themselves regarding vaccines, would like to deny it to others.
What the hell does this even mean? Pointing out that the experimental injections were not properly tested, and that big pharma is undeniably dishonest and evil, does not equal “denying people their right to choose”. Outlawing prescription of a completely safe and effective treatment - ivermectin - was a denial of choice. Firing people who didn’t want the experimental injections was a denial of choice. How do you have this shit so inverted? Are you really this fucking stupid?
Yeah, that’s what happens when speaking out against the experimental injections gets you canceled. Might as well point to Kim’s approval rating in NK, too.
So just to be clear, you actually think that in the absence of 'cancellation', most people would say that it's a bad thing that the vaccines were developed at all?
Pointing out that the experimental injections were not properly tested, and that big pharma is undeniably dishonest and evil, does not equal “denying people their right to choose”.
But that was not the argument though. The argument was a blanket condemnation of the vaccine, which without a shred of doubt help some people. Now supposing that they are not 'properly' tested, whatever definition of properly you decide to adopt. Since vaccines, like all medicine, are about cost and benefit, that in no way precludes them being a very good thing for people who are at very high risk of COVID, like 80+ people - as even with all the uncertainty, they'd still do vastly more good than even potential harm.
To claim otherwise is to be fanatical.
Outlawing prescription of a completely safe and effective treatment - ivermectin - was a denial of choice.
And did you see me supporting that? I also take issue with your claim that ivermectin is 'effective'. It's certainly not demonstrated to be. But you may as well take it, since it does no harm anyway. See? Benefit vs. harm. Here's a potential benefit vs. basically zero harm. So take it!
Firing people who didn’t want the experimental injections was a denial of choice.
Yes, and so is "people who actually want the vaccine shouldn't be able to get them".
You're talking about people who hear the name Trump and recoil like they just got injured. They'll shudder and cringe and immediately start spouting media talking points. He lives so fully and completely in their heads thanks to media indoctrination that all he has to do is exist to be a burden to these people's completely void of actual issues lives.
He's been around for decades, as the back end of a joke, and when enough was enough, he became president. Now that he's shown he's the real deal, they have to demonize him at every turn, or their own might start to question how truly terrible their guy is, but no. It's always how horrible Trump is.
These insidious mind worm manufacturers don't like it when you start question things. They haven't told you it's okay to do that. So don't, or be kicked out of the church of the perpetually offended. And that is how they think.
He spent 4 years doing more for black people than he did his own supporters.
There are people in jail right now because they fought for him. Some even died as a result.
Shit, how many people have had their relationships with their friends and family destroyed, their property vandalized, or lost their jobs because they supported him?
And, in the end, he was siding with the very people that his supporters thought he opposed.
The people still supporting Trump are just as hopeless as liberals.
This is very narrow sighted. Do you truly believe if trump had never ran we’d be better off? Who would have been a republican with even a hint of balls to stand up to Mexico and China. Trump was an economic choice, and it payed off massively. Trump also was the reason Florida had the freedom to stand out during Covid. You can cry about politics, but again you’re asking for a god emperor because you’re weak. You can not demand more of someone than you demand of yourself, learn that fact child.
I think that Trump winning 2016 was very good and that Trump "losing" 2020 was a disaster for the entire country but I also think that Trump running again in 2024 is a huge mistake.
I am grateful for the good things he achieved from 2017-2019 but the Trump of 2020-2022 has clearly revealed that Trump is sadly unable to learn from his mistakes and that he cannot be expected to change for the better.
Trump's main flaws are his inability to accept that he has made any mistakes, his inability to make decent hires, his inability to stop caring about the corrupt media and his inability to move on from the 2020 fraud.
Trump still refuses to acknowledge he got played by Fauci and Birx.
He still refuses to stop bragging about his shitty vaccines, the same ones that his supporters have been fired from jobs for not taking.
Trump refuses to acknowledge that he hired terrible people like Jerome Adams, William Barr, Mark Meadows, Chad Wolf.
Trump still cares about what the MSM says about him and he gets baited into unnecessary squabbles that hurts his electability with independents.
Trump constantly complains about the fraud but he doesn't take the necessary actions to prevent it from happening again.
He actually still wastes time trying to decertify election results two years after Brandon has fucked the nation.
Instead of yelling to Robin Vos in Wisconsin, maybe work on getting a competent governor elected in Wisconsin?
He needs to focus on getting good governors elected who can then push election integrity measures.
Instead we see him wasting time on useless primaries like the MA governor primary.
Trump's guy won the MA gov primary and beat Rino Larry Hogan's pick. But so what? Trump's pick is still going to lose the race to the Democrat by atleast 10 points?
Why waste time on this primary when he could be focusing on helping to win races that actually matter like the AZ, PA, WI gubernatorial.
Many of Trump's endorsements have also been terrible because he is merely looking to boost his endorsement record.
The worst endorsement is Dr. Oz in PA. Oz might cost the Republicans a chance to flip the Senate.
Trump also endorses way many RINO incumbents just to boost his endorsement record.
I am against Trump 2024 because what I saw from Trump 2020-2022 is absolutely pathetic.
I think that Trump winning 2016 was very good and that Trump "losing" 2020 was a disaster for the entire country but I also think that Trump running again in 2024 is a huge mistake.
I agree on all points. It needs to be Ron DeSantis.
The purpose of my comment was to show you that even people like me who voted twice for him have real issues with his performance from 2020 onwards. Not every criticism of Trump comes from the TDS we see on the left.
You are behaving like the people on patriots.win who cannot accept any criticism of Trump's actions because they irrationally love Trump and refuse to acknowledge any mistakes he has made.
Read what I said and read what he said. You are acting like the stupid child I just replied to. I never said trump was faultless nor have I ever said that, I said trump was far away the best possible choice at the time, he is also undeniably the reason why candidates like DeSantis exist now.
"You can cry about politics, but again you’re asking for a god emperor because you’re weak. You can not demand more of someone than you demand of yourself, learn that fact child."
I don't think this is what the original poster was asking for and it is certainly not what I am asking for.
You are misinterpreting criticism of Trump's action now as the same as saying he should never have been elected.
I remain happy about Trump 2016 win but I just don't want to see a Trump 2024 run which will likely end in failure.
It most definitely is, you came rushing to the crybabies defense because you are just like him. What position do you hold in your local government? Do you do anything aside from complain about politics online? I’m already on two local boards and all I had to do was you know…. Try.
Who would have been a republican with even a hint of balls to stand up to Mexico and China.
LOL he campaigned on cracking down on China and did NOTHING. What happened to labeling them a currency manipulator? NOTHING.
And Mexico? HE SAID THEY'D PAY FOR THE WALL. Do you see a wall up, you fucking retard, let alone Mexico having paid for that wall?
You can cry about politics, but again you’re asking for a god emperor because you’re weak. You can not demand more of someone than you demand of yourself, learn that fact child.
Either you're amazingly retarded or a shill. Either way, you've proven that you're too stupid to be having a conversation with.
To answer your question, though
Do you truly believe if trump had never ran we’d be better off?
Trump ran off populism to campaign, his entire stated goal in office was to bring economic success back to Americans. I see you screaming because you are a child and apparently have not read any of trumps policies. Know why American steel is back? Trump. Know why manufacturers have resurged in the south? Trump. Those were direct results of his executive orders. He closed the China steel loophole with Canada, ended nafta, and put tariffs on China to the point the media was screaming he was trying to start ww3. A child like you needs to grow up, experience the real world a bit, and stop being an internet crybaby.
Lol those retards shouldn't have tried to riot in the capitol with no plan while knowing the establishment is against them. That's on them. They need to take responsibility for their irresponsible behavior. You sound like one of the shitheads whining that criminals have no choice but to commit crimes because they're poor.
Also this revisionism of what Trump accomplished is astounding. I guess the economy was only for black people, bringing us back as a dominant foreign power was only for black people, shifting the culture of the right was for black people. Lmao you sound like a left wing shill or a RINO.
Just further evidence the whole "Jan 6th Committee" is glowing like a nuclear blast. Not that anyone sane needed more evidence, and the TDS crowd just won't care
Honestly the only ppl that care are those who treat Trump hatred like porn. People say I should let it go but it still pisses me off that we had months of rioting but Jan 6 is what the media wants us to be concerned about.
I agree with you on this but J6 has somehow managed to increase TDS than ever before.
I actually know a few independent right leaning voters who voted for him in 2020 who now won't vote for him in 2024 over J6.
I was stunned to see this.
J6 has certainly hurt Trump's electability among indies.
This is another reason why I am adamant about not nominating Trump again.
My stance has always been if you blew off the “summer of love” then you have no right to be mad about J6. I can see him losing votes that way. Honestly annoys me that he kept pushing stop the steak and release the kraken.
Anyone who let the news reporting of J6 change their mind is a sheep anyway.
"independent right leaning voters." Feh. Merely sheep tuned in to a different frequency.
They sadly still vote.
also lost votes on how he treated his supporters who were only there because he asked them to
Yeah that is a given.
Trump supporters whose family members who were arrested over J6 clearly won't be voting for him again.
Running Trump again is intentionally making it much harder for the right to ever win 2024 outside the margin of fraud let alone actually get some good governance after it.
And they're still hiding thousands of hours of video.
That is what happens when the commission has no one other than Democrats on it.
Yes Kinzinger and Cheney are nothing but Democrats.
So why does anyone still want Trump 2024?
Yes, Trump did a good job with the economy from 2017-2019 but 2020 onwards soured me completely on a Trump 2024 run.
He cucked to Fauci and Birx on COVID lockdowns and on the cancer that is Operation Warpspeed.
So many of his own supporters have lost their jobs and livelihoods because of Trump's shitty "vaxxes". Trump still has the gall to say he is proud of the vaxxes even after he was booed at an Alabama rally. He recently bragged about the vaxxes by saying "I am proud of the word that I am not allowed to say".
He failed to stop the BLM riots and was afraid to invoke the Insurrection Act.
He failed to stop election fraud even though he openly claimed it would happen months before the election.
He didn't pardon any people who HE told to come on that clown day in January.
He didn't pardon Julian Assange or Edward Snowden.
Many of his hires from the beginning have been abysmal but the ones that stand out in horribleness are Jerome Adams, his surgeon general and his attorney general William Barr. Adams is currently still engaging in COVID hysteria while pushing equity wokeness. Barr refused to look at any election fraud cases and now constantly attacks Trump and his supporters.
The Trump we got from 2020-2022 is a weak man that I am tired of making rationalizations and excuses for.
In 2024, we must move forward with a new pick not backwards.
So far I am leaning DeSantis 2024 but if someone better shows up, then I will switch over.
Still seeing calls of Trump 2024 from otherwise smart people like Robert Barnes and Richard Baris just utterly disappoints me.
The cults of personality that have developed around hating Trump irrationally or loving Trump irrationally are both pathetic.
The calls for Trump 2024 is mostly a case of "all we got."
Name anyone that the Republicuck might put forward that isn't a POS backstabber. DeSantis? I like him, and he's doing a great job with Florida, but then the issue is sacrificing Florida to some RINO or worse to roll the dice on a Presidency run.
The short list is who? The same losers from 2016?
All Rand Paul does is roast Fauci in front of cameras and a microphone but has been completely ineffective in mustering any kind of counterattack for lying under oath.
Cruz is a fucking snake, keeping his "based bills" in his hand until, oops, the left controls all the branches of government and they have zero chance of even making it out of committee. With power he's like a confused 9 year old with his dick in his hand.
Rubio is DOA thanks to Red Flag laws. Kasich is also DOA his write-in for McCain. Christie will probably be DOA due to his next chocolate cheesecake. Another run by a Bush? Man, I hope so simply for the memes, but lol.
Newcomers:
Gaetz? Not enough Congressional experience. At least the deep state planted Obama as a senator for a token 2 years before pushing him forward.
Pence? No way, not a chance. People that hate Trump will never vote for him for being his VP, and people that like Trump will never vote for him for certifying fake electors. Although I'd enjoy ads from his competition consisting completely of him being pals with Pelosi.
Tucker? No, for the same reasons that Limbaugh never ran. At least Limbaugh wrote his own material. I'd probably vote for his monologue writing team, though.
This is why "no one is coming to save you". Trump didn't realize we were shooting our wad with him. Last moonshot to save the republic and he didn't have the guts or wits to get it done and he let us down, period.
Shortlist right now should be DeSantis.
It is smarter to take a shot with DeSantis in 2024 than run a 78 year old Trump for the third time.
Trump supercharges turnout against him and makes the race close enough where mail in ballot fraud can be used to tilt the outcome of the race.
The media will be unable to create a Desantis Derangement Syndrome that is equal in power to Trump Derangement Syndrome.
They already tried to do so with the "Don't Say Gay" bill lies and that he hates Disney and it just didn't work.
DeSantis doesn't take the media bait like Trump does.
He generally pushes right wing policy that has support of 70 percent of the populace and he frames it so Democrats and their media are forced to defend the 30 percent position in order to oppose him.
It is much more strategic than Trump's outbursts.
DeSantis doesn't have Trump's personal baggage either.
TDS afflicted individuals hate Trump mainly over his personal life (womanizing, statements that the media lied about) and now J6. Rarely have I heard these clowns mention any policies.
DeSantis doesn't have nearly the same personal life baggage or any connection to J6 like Trump does.
Trump has shown exactly ZERO changes that would demonstrate that he's learned from his failings in his first term. He still begs for approval from the mainstream media. He has shown no ability to pick good people to fill the important appointed positions in Washington and another Trump term will likely be more chaos and leaks and stonewalling. He has not demonstrated any better understanding of foreign policy.
Also if Trump ran in 2024 he would spend most of his time talking about 2020 election. Also I agree about the blm riots he should’ve invoked the insurrection act. As I’ve mentioned before I’m black and thought his pandering came off as democrat style pandering because I’m black pilled on the point that the black vote will at most be 15% for Republicans and he thought he would get a lot more but you can’t ignore your base. I hear that he lost white male support but others say he didn’t. Honestly talking about jobs and business investment helps everyone. Hispanics shifting red is encouraging though.
I know it’s easy to say in hindsight but I wish he had seen that media was using covid to attack him and Fauci was feeding the hysteria
It is probable that Trump did attempt to invoke the insurrection act and was literally told “no” by our woke military leadership.
Trump picked Milley to be his top Army general despite Mattis warning Trump that he was an idiot and a snake. But because Trump was having a petty feud with Mattis at the time, that warning only elevated Milley in Trump's eyes. Milley was a self own, and yet another example of why Trump should not be given another term.
That’s true but despite the screeching the media would’ve done I feel that he would’ve been looked at more favorably had he done it
I've said it before, and I am not going to stop saying that DeSantis needs to stay at the state level. The federal government is too corrupt to be fixed by just replacing one man. Starting from the state level and working up is the only way to fix it.
He also forced the money printers to start going overtime. ZeroHedge, rightly, wouldn't shut up about the debt-to-GDP ratio in real-time as the long-term economy kept trending downwards.
Democrats and MM didn't talk about it because it's political bread and butter, and they always want to do even worse. But that, and things like not getting the tax cuts to be permanent for non-corporations, sucks.
He fucked both his supporters and America really hard on the way out. Populist movement probably won't have another success for decades; huge opportunity waste.
Which is the only reason there are no restrictions anymore.
And still you're complaining about it? Come on.
And he's right. The number of people who are happy with the Covid vaccines vastly outweigh the tiny number who fanatically hate them, and who despite wanting freedom of choice for themselves regarding vaccines, would like to deny it to others.
Because it wasn't there in significant enough amounts to alter the outcome. All the shady stuff they did was legal, unfortunately.
And yet the chances of him doing that are vastly greater than DeSantis doing it. I'll be happy if he proves me wrong.
Considering that you called Trump "the orange buffoon", echoing the childish attacks of the wokies, I'm not sure you have much standing to make this comment.
When did this happen? Or are you just lying to cope with the fact that you've been pro-experimenting-on-unwitting-and-unwilling-humans even though the jabs were never fit for purpose and should have never been given an EUA?
In the first few months of this year.
Vaccine mandates still remain at the federal level for federal employees, contractors, anyone applying for citizenship or permanent residency and health care workers.
Operation Warspeed is why these mandates are able to exist today.
Without it, so many people would not be forced to take this unnecessary shitty vax.
Which is bad, but it in no way affects you and does not justify your raging hatredd.
Without it, a vaccine probably would have been developed anyway (even Cuba managed it), and you'd probably have had more restrictions for a longer period of time.
These tyrannical mandates affect a large portion of the country I live in and it is something that I care about very deeply.
Without OWS, the timeline would have taken much longer and by then COVID hysteria could have ended without any mandates.
Trump fucked the nation with his mistake.
In fact, the restrictions would have lasted for much longer. You just confabulate an alternative scenario in which this was actually a bad thing.
By the way, Ron DeSantis is vaccinated.
VAERS data says otherwise and you refuse to accept the fact that the vaccine is shitty and that mandating it has harmed too many people.
Trump could have stopped election fraud by simply not engaging in a national lockdown in the first place. 15 days to flatten the spread were the pretext for mass mail in ballots.
We won't even know if DeSantis would pardon them or not until he is in a position to do so.
I don't attack Trump irrationally like the leftist clowns with TDS. The only few times I have ever called him an orange buffoon is when he praises the shitty vaxxes like on the day when he did at the Alabama rally.
No one who could possibly be President is going to pardon Snowden or Assange, though I still agree with your criticism's of Trump overall. I'd also add the First Step Act and Platinum Plan. I hate that Trump tried to normalize "putting black people in jail for committing crimes is racist" among the right. I don't think anyone but Trump could have gotten away with that, either. His charisma and showmanship allow him to get away with that kind of crap.
I despise the Platinum Plan and the First Step Act.
I forgot to include it so thanks for bringing it up!
Trump also normalized supporting LGBT on the right. Something that doesn't sit well with me at all.
The man's charisma with the right allowed him to get away with so many non standard positions.
I didn't say it should be mandated though. I said that it's good that it's out there for those who want to take it. And I suppose you have to commit yourself to the idea that it's bad even for 80+ year olds, even though just being sane on the matter would make you a whole lot more persuasive when arguing against the tyrannical use of the vaccine.
He had no authority to shut down anything to begin with.
Correct. But DeSantis is clearly more establishment than Trump, and the establishment hates them. That is why I am skeptical.
That is irrational, and using the same vocabulary to boot.
Jesus Christ you are a vaxtard lol
Yeah, that’s what happens when speaking out against the experimental injections gets you canceled. Might as well point to Kim’s approval rating in NK, too.
What the hell does this even mean? Pointing out that the experimental injections were not properly tested, and that big pharma is undeniably dishonest and evil, does not equal “denying people their right to choose”. Outlawing prescription of a completely safe and effective treatment - ivermectin - was a denial of choice. Firing people who didn’t want the experimental injections was a denial of choice. How do you have this shit so inverted? Are you really this fucking stupid?
What's a vaxtard?
So just to be clear, you actually think that in the absence of 'cancellation', most people would say that it's a bad thing that the vaccines were developed at all?
But that was not the argument though. The argument was a blanket condemnation of the vaccine, which without a shred of doubt help some people. Now supposing that they are not 'properly' tested, whatever definition of properly you decide to adopt. Since vaccines, like all medicine, are about cost and benefit, that in no way precludes them being a very good thing for people who are at very high risk of COVID, like 80+ people - as even with all the uncertainty, they'd still do vastly more good than even potential harm.
To claim otherwise is to be fanatical.
And did you see me supporting that? I also take issue with your claim that ivermectin is 'effective'. It's certainly not demonstrated to be. But you may as well take it, since it does no harm anyway. See? Benefit vs. harm. Here's a potential benefit vs. basically zero harm. So take it!
Yes, and so is "people who actually want the vaccine shouldn't be able to get them".
Awh, come on AoV. You're better than this.
You're talking about people who hear the name Trump and recoil like they just got injured. They'll shudder and cringe and immediately start spouting media talking points. He lives so fully and completely in their heads thanks to media indoctrination that all he has to do is exist to be a burden to these people's completely void of actual issues lives.
He's been around for decades, as the back end of a joke, and when enough was enough, he became president. Now that he's shown he's the real deal, they have to demonize him at every turn, or their own might start to question how truly terrible their guy is, but no. It's always how horrible Trump is.
These insidious mind worm manufacturers don't like it when you start question things. They haven't told you it's okay to do that. So don't, or be kicked out of the church of the perpetually offended. And that is how they think.
Naturally, his supporters are cheering this on.
I'm not sure how people still support him.
He spent 4 years doing more for black people than he did his own supporters.
There are people in jail right now because they fought for him. Some even died as a result.
Shit, how many people have had their relationships with their friends and family destroyed, their property vandalized, or lost their jobs because they supported him?
And, in the end, he was siding with the very people that his supporters thought he opposed.
The people still supporting Trump are just as hopeless as liberals.
This is very narrow sighted. Do you truly believe if trump had never ran we’d be better off? Who would have been a republican with even a hint of balls to stand up to Mexico and China. Trump was an economic choice, and it payed off massively. Trump also was the reason Florida had the freedom to stand out during Covid. You can cry about politics, but again you’re asking for a god emperor because you’re weak. You can not demand more of someone than you demand of yourself, learn that fact child.
I think that Trump winning 2016 was very good and that Trump "losing" 2020 was a disaster for the entire country but I also think that Trump running again in 2024 is a huge mistake.
I am grateful for the good things he achieved from 2017-2019 but the Trump of 2020-2022 has clearly revealed that Trump is sadly unable to learn from his mistakes and that he cannot be expected to change for the better.
Trump's main flaws are his inability to accept that he has made any mistakes, his inability to make decent hires, his inability to stop caring about the corrupt media and his inability to move on from the 2020 fraud.
Trump still refuses to acknowledge he got played by Fauci and Birx.
He still refuses to stop bragging about his shitty vaccines, the same ones that his supporters have been fired from jobs for not taking.
Trump refuses to acknowledge that he hired terrible people like Jerome Adams, William Barr, Mark Meadows, Chad Wolf.
Trump still cares about what the MSM says about him and he gets baited into unnecessary squabbles that hurts his electability with independents.
Trump constantly complains about the fraud but he doesn't take the necessary actions to prevent it from happening again.
He actually still wastes time trying to decertify election results two years after Brandon has fucked the nation.
Instead of yelling to Robin Vos in Wisconsin, maybe work on getting a competent governor elected in Wisconsin?
He needs to focus on getting good governors elected who can then push election integrity measures.
Instead we see him wasting time on useless primaries like the MA governor primary.
Trump's guy won the MA gov primary and beat Rino Larry Hogan's pick. But so what? Trump's pick is still going to lose the race to the Democrat by atleast 10 points?
Why waste time on this primary when he could be focusing on helping to win races that actually matter like the AZ, PA, WI gubernatorial.
Many of Trump's endorsements have also been terrible because he is merely looking to boost his endorsement record.
The worst endorsement is Dr. Oz in PA. Oz might cost the Republicans a chance to flip the Senate.
Trump also endorses way many RINO incumbents just to boost his endorsement record.
I am against Trump 2024 because what I saw from Trump 2020-2022 is absolutely pathetic.
I agree on all points. It needs to be Ron DeSantis.
I’m sorry, you seem to be trying to justify your opinion, but what does any of that have to do with what I just said?
The purpose of my comment was to show you that even people like me who voted twice for him have real issues with his performance from 2020 onwards. Not every criticism of Trump comes from the TDS we see on the left.
You are behaving like the people on patriots.win who cannot accept any criticism of Trump's actions because they irrationally love Trump and refuse to acknowledge any mistakes he has made.
Read what I said and read what he said. You are acting like the stupid child I just replied to. I never said trump was faultless nor have I ever said that, I said trump was far away the best possible choice at the time, he is also undeniably the reason why candidates like DeSantis exist now.
I disagree with only this portion of your comment
"You can cry about politics, but again you’re asking for a god emperor because you’re weak. You can not demand more of someone than you demand of yourself, learn that fact child."
I don't think this is what the original poster was asking for and it is certainly not what I am asking for.
You are misinterpreting criticism of Trump's action now as the same as saying he should never have been elected.
I remain happy about Trump 2016 win but I just don't want to see a Trump 2024 run which will likely end in failure.
It most definitely is, you came rushing to the crybabies defense because you are just like him. What position do you hold in your local government? Do you do anything aside from complain about politics online? I’m already on two local boards and all I had to do was you know…. Try.
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Damn, next time make sure you come with some facts before you make these claims:
No. Trump ran on building the wall, putting Hillary in jail, and draining the swamp, none of which happened under his term.
LOL he coined the phrase, "15 days to stop the spread." and you want to give him credit for DeSantis' work?
LOL he campaigned on cracking down on China and did NOTHING. What happened to labeling them a currency manipulator? NOTHING.
And Mexico? HE SAID THEY'D PAY FOR THE WALL. Do you see a wall up, you fucking retard, let alone Mexico having paid for that wall?
Either you're amazingly retarded or a shill. Either way, you've proven that you're too stupid to be having a conversation with.
To answer your question, though
In hindsight, I would rather have had Rand Paul.
Trump ran off populism to campaign, his entire stated goal in office was to bring economic success back to Americans. I see you screaming because you are a child and apparently have not read any of trumps policies. Know why American steel is back? Trump. Know why manufacturers have resurged in the south? Trump. Those were direct results of his executive orders. He closed the China steel loophole with Canada, ended nafta, and put tariffs on China to the point the media was screaming he was trying to start ww3. A child like you needs to grow up, experience the real world a bit, and stop being an internet crybaby.
Awe useless crybaby is useless
Yet you continued the conversation you retarded cock gargler
It's always pathetic when the girlfriend gets involved in an argument.
Go back to sucking Trump's dick, you faggot.
Go back to being irrelevant… you whiny faggots who produce nothing are soooo tedious
Lol those retards shouldn't have tried to riot in the capitol with no plan while knowing the establishment is against them. That's on them. They need to take responsibility for their irresponsible behavior. You sound like one of the shitheads whining that criminals have no choice but to commit crimes because they're poor.
Also this revisionism of what Trump accomplished is astounding. I guess the economy was only for black people, bringing us back as a dominant foreign power was only for black people, shifting the culture of the right was for black people. Lmao you sound like a left wing shill or a RINO.