I’m gunna echo what that other speech path said and. And call this policy out for being absolutely batshit insane
50 words is not just a number, something we want to tick, it’s not slightly better than 40, it is a million times better than 40. It’s once you get to 50 or so that the kid will start to combine their words to begin to create 2 word sentences* (they will use ‘2 words’ earlier than this but in a fake and non creative way. They might learn ‘good bye’ or ‘bad dog’ if that’s something they hear a lot but they think that this is just one word).
In linguistics and speech development we have what are called ‘critical periods’. Milestones you must meet or else their development will forever be on a slower trajectory. Getting to 50 words and creating sentences is critical. We expect it by 18 months. Some sites and sources will say 24, but this is very much a ‘should have it by now’ age. 30 is delayed by any metric. Telling parents it’s ok to wait to 30 means it’s already too late, and they aren’t gunna get seen till much later after that too.
This is criminally bad. Folks, it’s 18-24 months. Do not wait till 30! I want 50 words and proper and new 2 word combinations by 24*
There is a small allowance for bilingualism, this milestone is one of the few affected by learning two languages, we’re essentially waiting for them to hit 100 words, 50 in each, sometimes with a bilingual family.
Angrily typed on my phone. I’ll fix up any typos when I’m home
(Also note the phrasing of this pamphlet for parents, it’s very much the ‘most kids can’ soft wording not ‘seek intervention if not’ wording. For a 30 month old? Unbelievable)
A month or two, not much at all. Certainly not the cdc's 30. They should still have those 50 words by that age (24mo), its just that it is split between two languages, so there might be a lot of redundancy too, learning the same word twice. So we might need them to learn a few more words to get all those good meaningful combinations going. Given that learning should be exponential, it shouldn't take long. They didn't learn 4 words a month their whole life, they learnt most of those words in the last couple of months, so the next month or so should be even more productive and we should get those combinations starting up
I can confirm that from experience with a family member just this week. He's barely 2 and about 95% of the waking hours I was around him there was a iPad in front of him.
It's gotten to the point with kids that I was basically blown away a few weeks ago being around a six year old for dinner who could sit there without a screen in front of their face, without whining, and actually talk to people at the table. That shouldn't be a mindblowing event, but if you've been around enough modern kids, it is.
This is for developmental milestones at 30 months. I've seen a lot of stuff about how this age group is being impacted by this. A few weeks ago there was a post from a speech therapist about the volume of kids she was seeing, many of whom couldn't even control their facial muscles.
No doubt tic-tok and social media is cancer for adults, much less children, but masking has been incredibly detrimental to toddlers and school-age kids.
We expect their first words by 8-12 months. 18-24 months is the 'knows 50 words and has started to combine them creatively into things like 'daddy go' or 'mummy car' milestone.
After seeing so much fake news where claims are made but a simple before and after comparison of the claim is not given, you'd think people would be a bit better at recognizing it.
There was no 30 month milestones, it went from 2 years to 3 years.
For comparison at 2 years "Says sentences with 2 to 4 words" is the only reference given, there is no number of words specified.
And at the next marker at 3 years "Carries on a conversation using 2 to 3 sentences" Again, there is no specific number of words given.
"50 words at 30 months" is an entirely new marker, I have no idea why 30 months was chosen, it seems oddly random, but years before the pandemic, guidelines were similar, although it's hard to tell because "2 to 3 sentences" is not a specific number.
In regards to the other claim, the full article doesn't appear to be widely released, it's not even on sci hub. From reading the abstract alone, which is what all the wide claims are based on. They've just added new milestone markers for some reason. (Like the seemingly random 30 months) one. I don't know why, probably to justify their salaries, but if 67% of milestones have been pushed back due to masks, why have 33% been pushed forwards?
Masking kids is obviously fucked, but this is making something out of nothing. Random people on twitter posting claims of "X has changed in relation to Y" without showing the before and after are rarely worth paying much attention to.
It's 2 years 6 months. We generally measure milestones and things in 6 months intervals for the first few years.
For all the nonsense and other milestones being moved, the selection of '30' as some kind of milestone is at least sensible. If not for this milestone.
Absolutely fucking insane
I’m gunna echo what that other speech path said and. And call this policy out for being absolutely batshit insane
50 words is not just a number, something we want to tick, it’s not slightly better than 40, it is a million times better than 40. It’s once you get to 50 or so that the kid will start to combine their words to begin to create 2 word sentences* (they will use ‘2 words’ earlier than this but in a fake and non creative way. They might learn ‘good bye’ or ‘bad dog’ if that’s something they hear a lot but they think that this is just one word).
In linguistics and speech development we have what are called ‘critical periods’. Milestones you must meet or else their development will forever be on a slower trajectory. Getting to 50 words and creating sentences is critical. We expect it by 18 months. Some sites and sources will say 24, but this is very much a ‘should have it by now’ age. 30 is delayed by any metric. Telling parents it’s ok to wait to 30 means it’s already too late, and they aren’t gunna get seen till much later after that too.
This is criminally bad. Folks, it’s 18-24 months. Do not wait till 30! I want 50 words and proper and new 2 word combinations by 24*
There is a small allowance for bilingualism, this milestone is one of the few affected by learning two languages, we’re essentially waiting for them to hit 100 words, 50 in each, sometimes with a bilingual family.
Angrily typed on my phone. I’ll fix up any typos when I’m home
(Also note the phrasing of this pamphlet for parents, it’s very much the ‘most kids can’ soft wording not ‘seek intervention if not’ wording. For a 30 month old? Unbelievable)
How much of an allowance for bilingual children?
A month or two, not much at all. Certainly not the cdc's 30. They should still have those 50 words by that age (24mo), its just that it is split between two languages, so there might be a lot of redundancy too, learning the same word twice. So we might need them to learn a few more words to get all those good meaningful combinations going. Given that learning should be exponential, it shouldn't take long. They didn't learn 4 words a month their whole life, they learnt most of those words in the last couple of months, so the next month or so should be even more productive and we should get those combinations starting up
Awesome. Thank you.
why is this something within their purview?
what does early childhood speech have to do with infectious disease?
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
Childhood development
I don’t see a connection.
The future is Harrison Bergeron where everyone is a retard
Looking at the general public, we're already there
The government is the disease we need to control.
The old folk remedies tend to be the best.
Tiktok no. Stuck in front of a tv/ipad, oh absolutely.
I can confirm that from experience with a family member just this week. He's barely 2 and about 95% of the waking hours I was around him there was a iPad in front of him.
It's gotten to the point with kids that I was basically blown away a few weeks ago being around a six year old for dinner who could sit there without a screen in front of their face, without whining, and actually talk to people at the table. That shouldn't be a mindblowing event, but if you've been around enough modern kids, it is.
This is for developmental milestones at 30 months. I've seen a lot of stuff about how this age group is being impacted by this. A few weeks ago there was a post from a speech therapist about the volume of kids she was seeing, many of whom couldn't even control their facial muscles.
No doubt tic-tok and social media is cancer for adults, much less children, but masking has been incredibly detrimental to toddlers and school-age kids.
Never forget they want you dead, your wife raped, and your children brainwashed and they think it's funny.
I thought kids could talk when they're 1.
We expect their first words by 8-12 months. 18-24 months is the 'knows 50 words and has started to combine them creatively into things like 'daddy go' or 'mummy car' milestone.
saved.
No need to outlaw freedom of speech, when you can't speak.
After seeing so much fake news where claims are made but a simple before and after comparison of the claim is not given, you'd think people would be a bit better at recognizing it.
This is the wayback machines record of the CDC developmental guidelines from 8th December 2018
There was no 30 month milestones, it went from 2 years to 3 years.
For comparison at 2 years "Says sentences with 2 to 4 words" is the only reference given, there is no number of words specified.
And at the next marker at 3 years "Carries on a conversation using 2 to 3 sentences" Again, there is no specific number of words given.
"50 words at 30 months" is an entirely new marker, I have no idea why 30 months was chosen, it seems oddly random, but years before the pandemic, guidelines were similar, although it's hard to tell because "2 to 3 sentences" is not a specific number.
In regards to the other claim, the full article doesn't appear to be widely released, it's not even on sci hub. From reading the abstract alone, which is what all the wide claims are based on. They've just added new milestone markers for some reason. (Like the seemingly random 30 months) one. I don't know why, probably to justify their salaries, but if 67% of milestones have been pushed back due to masks, why have 33% been pushed forwards?
Masking kids is obviously fucked, but this is making something out of nothing. Random people on twitter posting claims of "X has changed in relation to Y" without showing the before and after are rarely worth paying much attention to.
30 isn't random
It's 2 years 6 months. We generally measure milestones and things in 6 months intervals for the first few years.
For all the nonsense and other milestones being moved, the selection of '30' as some kind of milestone is at least sensible. If not for this milestone.