As you may know there have been a variety of background for mass shooters.
A woman shot up google headquarters when youtube demonetized her videos:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/04/nasim-najafi-aghdam-youtube-shooting-demonetisation-payments-father
A trans person shot up their school:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-colorado-shooting/transgender-teen-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-deadly-colorado-school-shooting-idUSKCN24Q00D
And there's so many mass shootings in gangland in chicago you can't even list them all out.
But the press likes to push only the ones that meet their man-hating narrative - when the shooter is a white man - like recently:
https://archive.ph/hSkPM
Apparently this is his reddit post history:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210813174435/https://old.reddit.com/user/Jake3572
**Of the last 24 posts he made - 12 of them were to one of reddits protected man-bashing hate subs - **IncelsInAction.
The sub description of itself:
This sub is for mocking the antics of anyone who identifies themselves as "incel." This is a term popularised on Reddit and 4chan meaning "involuntarily celibate" i.e. men who can't get laid. Some of them get really really mad about it, and here are their stories...
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Incels who comment in here can expect to be relentlessly mocked by this community. If you don't like it, don't post here.
Did reddit's protection of it's anti-male subs contribute to this shooting?
It seems a lot more plausible than the banned "men going their own way" sub.
Huh, they started ruthlessly calling him a pedo.
Guy is from the United Femdom. 16 is 100% legal, even if you're triple or even quadruple their age.
So, what I'm starting to see is a weird pattern. I wonder if any MI5 types were in his messages?
Incels try their best to act nice despite their anger, but vent in their own communities.
Women go out of their way to attack these people and dehumanize them, in the hope they either kill themselves or give a propaganda victory by snapping and killing people.
I mean, they still to this day mention Elliot fucking Rodger and he killed more men than women.
I need to make a post that can be pushed to these people.
Violence isn't the answer.
You can't force them to submit to your demands for human rights by threats. When you are already a group that is dehumanized as a threat to humanity, you can't play into that narrative.
You can't give them what they want because they will use it to punish everyone who shares your label and everyone who challenges their "superiority". Their victimhood and their dehumanization is what gives them power.
All you're doing by violence is giving their Der Sturmer-esque media more power to dehumanize you and make the average person believe their lies about you.
Legality is not morality, or you would have to approve of screwing 9-year-old girls in Yemen.
When? All I see is "women are whores who deserve to be raped because they don't appreciate me not showering enough".
Anyone who defines himself by his inability to get laid is not human to begin with.
Yes, it is, but legitimate violence by the appropriate authorities. In the hypothetical case of violence by an individual, which no one should, he will do more harm than good for his own cause if he kills random people, rather than malefactors. Which, as I said, no one should.
That's quite a jump. 16 year old girls and 18 year old girls are fundamentally the same. It's not like there's actually much added maturity in those two years. And no, this isn't a "what if the child consents" argument, I'm not advocating for lowering it to 16, I'm saying that the comparison you made is asinine.
What they say in private is different to how they act when around other people. Also, half of those posts are women false flagging. I spoke to a few, as a "misogynist", they messaged me a few times asking why I wasn't depressed like them. It's because I understand that feminists created the system to make us depressed. You have to rise above it. Call them out, make sure everyone knows, but never let it break you.
That's not very nice. Also, what other communities exist where women can't enter? They define themselves by that because it keeps women from trying to influence their group - which is why they screech so loudly about how these people are a threat. Because even places like here or TD, they don't actively gatekeep to ensure feminist sympathizers don't enter.
There will likely never be a day where feminist leaders face a real court case like a Nuremberg Trial and actually have to admit their crimes publicly before their execution. That doesn't change the fact that individual acts will just embolden the feminist message that everyone who (correctly) hates them should be sectioned off from society.
I disagree, but it's beside the point. If this is what you believe, then this is the argument that you should have made, not "IT IS LEGAL THEREFORE GOOD", which is the argument that you actually made, and which is quite a bad argument.
I made no comparison. I merely applied the standard that you set.
They are? Should I ask how you know this, or will I think better of it because I know you will answer something like: because women are evil and evil responses must inherently come from them, men are not capable of them.
The truth is rarely very 'nice'.
So being a guy who can't get laid is just a cover for them wanting to... not have women in those communities? Which - you claim - is not very successful because half of the posts are false flags by women?
Will never cease to be amazed at your ability to paint yourself as the victim.
My point is that you can't call someone a pedophile for doing something that is legal in a Western country. It's absurd that they jump on this argument without any research.
Because Reddit doesn't mark handshake accounts and the nature of incels is to use throwaways in case women try to dox them. It makes it ridiculously easy to false flag, which is the point of them using doxxing. It causes the change in behavior that benefits their strategy.
No, they really are unable to get laid, but they formed a community around that to avoid women's influence. They can't influence anything if their only option is to false flag with throwaways, so they use media and government to get their way.
Who said I'm their victim? I'm just going to repost the list I posted when they said "misogyny" was the motive.
https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/12jvytVDkZ/x/c/4JDDSEEc3FR
12 years old is legal in some Western countries. Yes, I will call someone a pedophile for that. Also, the 'Western countries' is something that you added in later on, moving the goalposts from your original "BUT IT IS LEGAL IN THE UK!"
Alright, if one cannot verify the identities of those who are posting, how are you so sure that half are women false flagging?
You're confessing to misogyny now?
Which ones? I don't know of any. Regardless, you're just deliberately skewing the argument. Nobody is condemning the UK for having an age of consent that is too low, so the accusations are nothing more than vile smear tactics, typical of feminists and their sympathizers.
Because every sub that goes against their agenda gets false flagged.
Can't confess to something as fictional as Santa Claus.
So you have no evidence and just make stuff up. OK.
Never heard of that before for the West, which ones?
I'd be wary of caveats like age difference (e.g. 12 & 14 is vastly different than 12 & 30), or where national consent of age is overrode by state/prefecture laws (e.g. Japan IIRC).
Is that all you see, because it sounds more like multiple of the most extreme individual views from an entire group conglomerated into a single sentence that doesn't actually represent the beliefs of any of them, let alone the group as a whole
Thats the kind of strawman inceltears would use. Didn't know Antonio is that much of a cuck.
It's also the kind of strawman that AGG would use.
I don't visit their subs, and I am pretty sure they are not longer expressing such sentiments as it will get them banned immediately by Reddit.
But they are a bunch of mental cases. My problem isn't even with their 'misogyny', as their belief that they are entitled to others' bodies is no different from Trancels and Fatcels. It's that they are so brainwashed by pop culture that they define their own self-worth, which is no doubt quite insignificant, as being wholly about whether they can get laid.
Well, that's just deeply tragic, more than it is worthy of being called not human. I think it's a more general sense of alienation and loneliness than it is about just "getting laid", and that incel is a term that is greater than the sum of its etymological parts, but sex is ubiquitous in modern pop culture and so easy to latch on to (and believe the majority of people take for granted) when most of your interaction with the world takes place through that lens.
But, well, I'm just speculating too, mostly. People grow toxic when they fall into echo chambers, and that toxicity results in them being confined to that echo chamber by the world outside it.
It borders on being a cultural norm that someone reaches a point in their life where they realize they're not dating and they need to do something about it. I've known multiple girls who reached this point, and of course some guys as well including myself.
The movie Back To The Future has something like this as it's background plot.
In Marty's original timeline his parents are low self esteem and kinda losers. He has to sneak around to spend the weekend with his girlfriend. It's very relatable for a lot of people - their parents, their school, etc tsk tsk at relations with the opposite gender but the successful people do it anyways.
Uh...this seems to be confused with the anti-incel idealogy. This is what incel-mocking cells believe, it's about feeling that men who can't get laid are worthless and if you are getting laid you're superior to them.
I don't think this is the philosophy of incel subs. I didn't spend much time in them because they seemed to me to mostly about training men to stop caring about whether they were getting laid or not in some weird thing about removing their sex drive as a way to control them.
Not at all. They would not have created their entire sad movement if this was not what they believed. Besides, I don't think that men who don't get laid are worthless. The monks of the middle ages were pretty damn great. But what they were not doing is obsessing 24/7 over not having sex, like incels do.
Are you sure?
For mgtwo, back in the day, yes.
In japan there's a similar concept called "herbivore men".
In china there's something called "lying flat" that's primarily about work but includes not getting married and not having kids.
Nichola Tesla was apparently a celibate bachelor as well.
There haven't been that many incel shooters - feminist politicians really really wanted their to be so they could repeat 1 thing obsessively over and over - but they've had real trouble finding people.
But of the few, this is the 2nd that we know went online and got mocked for being incel, right before he went on a shooting spree. If reddit's goal was actually banning hate subs - rather than just doing man-hating - you'd see the anti-incel sub banned. I don't see that is has any positive purpose.
So you don't even fucking know what you're talking about. How embarrassing.
I don't spend any time on incel subs either but I'm good enough at pattern recognition to see the kinds of smears against them are the same fucking smears that are leveled at any group that the MSM doesn't like.
Nope, visiting their subs is hardly the only way one can know what one is talking about.
Not exactly. I also did not take this from the MSM.
Are you willing to go to war for the 9 year old in Yemen?
Occupy an entire continent? Proclaim that your god is greater and kill millions for following a false one?
No?
Because that's what it would take.
Yes. Deus vult.
Go on then. What are you waiting for?
That's an absurd demand even by your standards.
Not at all.
I respect the radical muslim, even though I don't agree with them, because their beliefs are congruent from the cultural level down to the level of individual action.
A radical muslim believes that you are a heretic. And that if they trade their life to end yours, they will be celebrated as a hero and rewarded by their god.
I respect that. I think it's absurd, stupid, and tragically wasteful, but it's CONGRUENT and it isn't cowardly.
You say deus vult. Well, I say, if you adopt that stance and don't yourself run out, put on a crusader's cross and start converting by the sword, well, you're not living by your beliefs.
MY beliefs as I have said before elsewhere are total pacifism. I'm a quaker. But I have more respect for people who LIVE by their violent beliefs than those who simply TALK their violent beliefs hoping someone else will do the dying for them. That's just cowardice.
That is not what the Crusaders did. They took territory.
I never said that others should do anything. I did express what I think. And I also know that individual action is ineffective at best and most likely to be counterproductive.
No I wouldn't. I don't condemn individuals who live in another culture, influenced by that culture. I can look at it, disapprove of it and not support it in my own culture.
Besides, there's a huge difference between a 9 year old and a 16 year old. By age 16 almost half of US females are sexually active. I'm not sure how so many people like yourself make judgements on a person's morality based on the size of the age difference with their partner when both partners are at or over the age of consent and willing.
Get out more and live life. Social media, news media, it's a wasteland of demoralizing propaganda.
You should slink back to 2XC.
Found the glowzenegger!
Quite amazing, this guy thinks raping 9-year-old girls is fine if your "culture" thinks it's OK. I thought cultural relativist morons were on the other side.
And you too missed the point. The argument was based on legality alone.
How ironic.
You have poor reading comprehension skills.
If everyone is missing your point, maybe you don't really have one.
Quoting Wikipedia? Really? Even for science and math it’s on a sharp decline.
17-18 physical maturity is the male values, and it was made the legal and social norm out of simplicity. Females mature by 16. There are racial differences.
And?
Because in current year western society, a man's worth begins and ends with how desirable he is to women. An ugly, awkward man with no sexual market value is lower than shit to the majority of people.
The reason they're so obsessed with hating incels is the same reason most societies love shitting on their underclass. Most people are just monsters who want to hate. It doesn't matter who they hate, they just need to hate someone, and it needs to be socially acceptable because they are also cowards.
I would make a joke that they're not people, they're women, but people will get mad at me.
Its literally gay bigots.
That’s a very self-destructive way to define your self worth. Actually, men in the west and in general are valued by what they can do, produce, and their capacity for violence. Like a useful tool. Women get all of this from government now, so looking good is the only real differentiator. Incels are ugly or crippled or extreme autists no one wants to be around - pretty simple really. Also angry because they know they are being exploited as tax drones for a society that rejects them.
Anyway, external validation is not the way. Live your life. Live the best life you are able. It’s your life no one else’s. Only you are responsible for it. Set your own goals, achieve them, be content.
They desperately want to feel better about themselves
Depending on how technical you want to get:
The incel crowd tends to be more the guys who want relationships but can't get one. After being rejected n number of times, they develop a sense of learned helplessness and feel that it's pointless even trying.
The guys who can get relationships but chose not to, tend to fall into the rest of the "manosphere" groups; TRP, MGTOW, etc.
I agree wholeheartedly.
They're trapped in an endless spiral of misery, self-loathing, and self-pity. I wouldn't wish that upon my worst enemy.
They should be offered a helping hand, not spat upon and being kicked while they're already down.
The exact opposite, actually. Your analogy here would be calling someone who seeks out grannies and great-grannies and calling them a pedo. They're a sexual oddity, but certainly not that one. In case of ESL (English As A Second Language) issues, I'll break it down for you:
InCel is a shortform for IN-voluntarily CEL-ibate. Involuntary means "they are unable to deny/disagree/break away from", and Celibate means "one who does not have sexual relations". Put the words together and you get more or less "one who does not have sexual activity, despite their own efforts otherwise".
To contrast with what you described would likely be MGTOW, "Men going their own way", who are generally VolCel: Voluntarily Celibate. Not always, there are some who merely eschew relationships but not sexual relations, which often overlaps into the TRP territory, but "usually" it is the case. They, through paranoia, fear, caution, or bad experiences, actively avoid relationships with women. That is, there is effort and will put forward into their situation, it is a voluntary situation.
Think the difference between... The town leper, and the town priest. No one wants to sleep with the leper, as he is diseased, but he has urges and desires to sex the passing women he sees in the market as he begs. He wants sex, but is celibate because no matter what he does, he is a beggared leper. The town priest, by contrast, is affluent, well-employed, clean, and respected: Many women would be willing to have sex with him. But he has a vow of celibacy, so he chooses to not engage with the sins of the flesh, remaining celibate not from circumstances in nature, but his own free will. He is a MGTOW of a sort, and a VolCel for sure.
They're just an internet punching bag. People don't want to blame negative outcomes on their own actions, so they blame arbitrary other groups.
Denying women the power of sex makes them big mad.
Jesus, how did he get to be be 22 years old with no grasp of grammar, punctuation or capitalisation? His vocabulary and the thoughts he's expressing don't suggest a particularly low intellect, so I can only assume I'm looking a total failure of the education system.
Something tells me that a long list of societal failures produced this man.
Could be a neurological disorder as well
I feel sorry for this young man.
When I was his age, if I went on reddit, there would have been some positive advice on how to get laid....
Now reddit is controlled by anti-male feminists - and he reached out for help and found himself in the only discrimination allowed on reddit - anti-male?
Why go to all that trouble thinking about what could have happened? It's way easier to just blame toxic masculinity. That way women don't have to learn anything
Have you tried posting this anywhere on Reddit? I know a lot of places might delete it, but I'd like to see someone confronted by the facts even if it's for a short time. And some subs might leave it up.
its kind of our duty to brigade the reddit echo chamber with facts that go against their precious narrative at this point until they ban all of our accounts