Oh, yeah, she's a woman too. When you said "she" I assumed Machado.
Yeah, considering VP lady was condemning the US and demanding Maduro back, I don't really see that relationship being that solid, that's true.
Did we get any conspiracy theories about how Ivanka got Trump to do this to get a member of the Nazi gender into power?
Surprisingly, I don't think so. He kind of dropped the focus on specific women, it seems, and more talked about vague "natalist" powers puppeteering Trump, without elaborating.
because in my limited imagination, it's hard to believe that she'll just do whatever America says for the heck of it.
"Machado was part of Yale University's Yale World Fellows program in 2009. She was also part of Young Global Leaders in 2005, and again in 2011."
She's not a Venezuelan patriot, she's a globalist, with a master's in finance to boot. And here she is meeting President Bush in 2005
If working with America gets her what she wants, she'll play ball.
Fair enough. And I wasn't saying he doesn't also say he's a Christian.
And, like you said, there's not always much if any difference between a Christian dispensationalist Zionist and a Jewish Zionist. Heck, often the non-Jews are even more fervent Zionists.
They have Vassal Syndrome. It's honestly embarrassing to pay taxes to such shoe shine boys. I think it would take an actual military assault on Greenland to cure them.
Oh, shit. Do I have to support a Trump takeover of Greenland now?! Damn...
I'm not sure actual military control is possible at the moment.
Imperialism/colonialism has always involved using the local forces, though. You don't need full American military takeover to still have America running the place. Which is probably what they're aiming for; put whoever Their Guy is in Venezuela, who will serve American interests.
I'm writing essays because I'm trying to think things through as I'm discussing it.
Yup, pretty much same here.
I fucking hate leftist protesters. That woman screaming (when nothing had even happened yet, aside from the person trying to drive away from police), is fucking obnoxious.
I don't know the full context here, so won't make an opinion on the shooting itself...but that bystander fucking sucks, and the driver is at best a retard for trying to drive off while a cop is literally grabbing the door. I wish it hadn't happened, but common sense would have done wonders for the driver.
Don't do that shit, and your risks of getting shot diminish dramatically. In this case to essentially zero.
The irony is that when we liked him, he was voting for Democrats.
Hadn't thought if it like that, that is pretty damn funny.
They purport to be evangelicals. At least Berry and Dillon.
I looked it up just now. At least according to search, Dillion seems to be an Ashkenazi Jew, by his own words.
I might have misremembered or been misinformed about Berry. But, yeah the owner of the Christian site is a Jew.
Which is a lot of leniency for a guy who wanted people banned for calling lolisho pedo shit.
Yeah, OP has called for death of users here before, over that issue, and I figured that would be the issue at some point...not some weird gay rape weirdness against Muslims.
Life is full of surprises.
What is pulled off?
I just mean, if it's actually limited to just changing the leadership, without devolving into revolution or other shit. Which, again, I worry about. Just like Iran, Venezuela isn't 'over and done with' or anything. It's a constant threat of escalation and dragging us further into the mess we never should have been in in the first place.
Seems like a recipe for massive blowback.
Yeah, we're talking about American foreign policy here. :(
I can see why you would think that.
Like you, I'm also mostly just playing Devil's advocate. I don't think it's necessarily a weak move, is my point, but it should still be condemned as an absolutely scummy move. Also one that, at the very least, weakens our image. Because it's total bullshit thuggery.
In the long run, I would think that the other states would start measures against US influence, and perhaps move closer to China
Many already have, and that's a good point. While it might be strong and intimidating in the short term, it is going to make some foreign entities look much more kindly toward something like BRICS. Not many of the European powers, though, since they have massive Russia Derangement Syndrome.
I'm coming around. I think you're probably more right than dag, or me trying to test that position. It's probably a strong looking move, that is weakening in the meta or long term sense.
The more I play through both sides, the less strong it looks. Because, even if I wanted to be expansionist, I don't think America has what it takes at the moment...and definitely not enough to do so consistently. Ironically, maybe if we had a king or something. But "democracy," combined with waning world power, isn't really a good setup to try to reinstitute imperialism.
I honestly liked James Lindsey.
Most of us did, I think. Then, like many, he exposed himself...very thankfully not literally. Ew.
Most unforgivable to me was how he supported "Christian" Joel Berry after he came out in favor of killing Christians in Gaza because "they all support Khamas".
I was legitimately shocked when I realize the "Christian" Babylon Bee was run by a bunch of Jews. It's just such a weird twist.
In a very cringy manner, too. He had me be on the side of that homosexual virgin fed.... that's how bad he was.
I mean, Nick utterly thrashed him. Bilzerian did too, in just the most utterly brute force method. Paraphrasing, but he just said "yes, Jews are fucking evil, read their books and...no, Piers, I will not apologize of feel bad." Piers is so incompetent all he's got is shaming tactics, so he loses to anyone, regardless of position, if they simply won't let themselves be shamed.
Piers is basically playing Russian roulette with a semiauto; if his opponents won't play his game, he shoots himself. Because, if his shaming tactics don't work, he automatically loses, because he looks like an utter fool.
Sometimes I think that the cleavage in politics isn't left vs. right, but honest vs. dishonest and spine vs. spineless.
And principles. It's why, even if I don't agree with them, or I even find them annoying on some issues, I respect some leftists and even socialists. Jimmy Dore, Glenn Greenwald (literal gay Jewish leftist), and the like, are all way left on some economic and cultural issues, but have principles and come from a place of good faith...and are also right about a lot of stuff.
Remember Bret Weinstein, that Bernie-supporting very left-wing professor who objected when students demanded that white people not appear on campus for a Day of Absence. I listened to him for that reason.
Now compare him to schmucks like James Lindsay, alleged based anti-communist conservative. (Insert massive laugh track here.) Yeah, I'll take Bret Weinstein every time, thanks.
even that might end up enriching Venezuelans
Highly doubt. Paul Singer owns Venezuela now. Even if quality of life for Venezuelans go up, I said from the beginning - before the coup - that they will have lost their country.
America, and by extension Americans
Ahahaha...I wish. That would at least be something. But I don't think that will be what happens.
And, as I said, I still see this going badly. Not to mention that we have our eyes set on Iran, Columbia, Cuba, Greenland, and even Canada potentially down the line.
Even if our involvement in Venezuela doesn't go to shit, we're massively pushing our luck here, even if you put the moral issue aside.
I might even dispute that.
I'll admit it's too soon to tell, that's for sure. Sadly, while far from a certainty, I'd say it's likely things to to shit in Venezuela, and it seems the US is insistent on being involved there, so we'll get dragged in. So it might end up being a weak move after all. But if it actually gets pulled off smoothly, it's pretty strong.
Is 'the biggest guy in the neighborhood' tough or weak if he throws a kid to the wall? You could make the case for either.
To dag's point, it would be throwing a weak kid to the wall, and daring all the other big guys in the neighborhood to do something about it...and they don't. Sadly, that's strong. You can say it's pathetic too, but it's a strong move. And it improves the US's position to try to force other kids to fall in line without needing to be thrown against the wall. Again, as you know, I hate the bullying. But, at least at present, I don't view it as weakening America's position...at least in the short term.
I guess, longer term, it's a weak move, since not every president will behave like this, so we're making America more hated on the world stage, and then we'll go back to being weaker...so the other big guys will be more inclined to bully us.
It's a copout, but I can see it going either way. And I certainly wish it hadn't been done at all.
Yeah, it's wild how quickly they turn on people. Piers Morgan is now basically Hitler, because he finally saw that the position he'd been pushing wasn't palatable anymore and, in my opinion, tried to bandwagon the more popular opinion. That's it. He doesn't hate Israel or the Jews, he just realized he couldn't support their actions in Gaza any longer.
He's not an antisemite, and still runs defense and spergs out at actual antisemites, in fact. But, still, since he's been critical of some Israeli actions...he get's the tiny mustache treatment too!
What I like about the right is that I can have whatever beliefs I want. Some people here don't like me, but no one's trying to ban me or drive me out.
One or two probably would ban you if they could, but it's a tiny minority. I do like how largely everyone gets along here, despite our differences of opinion.
It's an unfathomable level of ingratitude that most of their supporters have not yet experienced.
Hopefully that changes. All it takes is them stepping out of line once, and the Zionists will try to destroy their reputations. That's a massive wakeup call to anyone with a spine.
I do think he's right that it's not weak, though. And, as you know, I hate the move. But it's not weak.
You're also correct, though, that the people being called "so called right-wing" are just actually being consistent and, I'd argue, much more in line with actual American interests. It's crazy to say they can't be real rightwingers if they don't blindly fall in line with Current Thing.
Yeah. As someone who hates this move, among others, even I don't see it as weakness. I personally find it scummy, evil, and not our business or in our interests...but it's not weak. It was very technically impressive (even if we likely had a bunch of help from Venezuelan traitors; I believe Maduro was almost certainly handed over), and does probably strengthen America's position. It was quite the coup, pun intended.
Sadly, even if I supported such expansionist actions, I don't think the benefits will trickle down to Americans, so it's still not America First. But it's not weak, either.
Look, if you want to keep Rule 16, you can just say so in the stickied Rules thread...
Jokes aside, this is advocating violence.
Considering the comments are not, and I don't like shutting down active discussion, and we're just getting started here so I don't want to throw my weight around, I'm happy leaving this as is.
But please don't title things like that...
I'm not sure that they are. The number of people who have done 180's is astounding.
It's really hard to tell the actual feelings, considering how much propaganda there is out there.
Half the time I think most people think like me, and the current push to neoconize "core MAGA" is a total psyop. And a large part of it is, either way...but it also sometimes seems to be working, and you apparently do have large swathes of "core MAGA" turn on a dime and actually buy into the shit.
Very disappointing. You actually seem to have a large chunk of pro-America people cheering for 'bringing freedom to Venezuela,' or whatever nonsense.
Nitter.
And, no, he shouldn't. Especially since he's married now.
But it's a fun meme. What a madlad.