Why Young Men Are Giving Up
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For me personally, I don't like the idea of trying for a society whose leadership clearly is working against me. 50% of my resources go toward taxes to support tyrants that use their power to undermine and harm me. Why would I want to support that? I am a slave so I will put as little effort into my work as I can and take 0 pride in it. If I can earn an income while avoiding taxes altogether or anything legitimate, I will.
Now, with that being said, I'm motivated enough by pussy to still put some effort in if it meant I could be banging hot chicks but the average good looking woman's demands from men for resources is absurd. I had a 24yo girl tell me she would marry me, be monogamous with just me and even have my kids if I could give her an allowance of $120k/yr (after tax) and that's on-top of what I'd need for myself. This is comparable to the number other women have thrown at me and comparable to what market prices are that women charge for their time to comfort men. Since earning $300k-500k/yr is not a realistic goal even if I tried, there's no point in trying.
Thus, overall, I am motivated to try as little as I can. The harder I work, the more money goes toward funding people who hate me and I can't earn enough money to buy the only thing I care to spend money on so trying is pointless.
Same reason I'd never join the military even though half my uncles did. I get taxed like crazy to support leeches who would likely rob me if they could and then you get settle for some woman that spent her youth being a hoe. I'm against giving up but it's hard to find motivation in life
I watched a bit of this video but it, like your comment irk me.
You think women arent in the same boat? Yeah some of them can skate by on their looks, just like guys can too.
This divide the masses stuff gets tedious for me.
They're literally not. Women as a group have moved all in on casual sex with the same minority of men until they feel it's advantageous to get married. I would know because I had to reject women who wanted to hookup. It's hard to not have resentment for a society that churns out such behavior. It is actually aggravating to try looking for marriage in your young adulthood and women just want to fuck because of hookup culture. All of the actually good women I know were married young. I'm not saying there are no good women. They are just rare now and usually marry young.
The divide is objectively real because women are so liberal.
The balance is tilted for females. Dick limes up for them, nobody lines up for men.
Women aren't in the same boat. Men say what they want and tell women how to do it. Dont be fat, don't be a whore, dont steal or kill my kids. Women actively interfere in men's financial capability by their voting, their control of education, and their control of HR. Women also reward the exact behavior they complain about which is low commitment men blowing smoke up their ass long enough to get laid and then leave them behind with a bastard.
The average man has 0 power in this arrangement. The average woman could have sex with a randomer to raise the birth rate immediately, and the massive welfare system will support any decision she makes. Women also only vote for policies that facilitate being massive whores. If women wanted adultery laws and mandatory DNA tests we would have them.
Feminism is a plague against young Whtie man. Because the same retarded woman who demands 120k a year somehow has no problem being a worthless mudshark and never demands anyrhing from browns
Oh hey look, it's Mudshark Man lol
I mean, he isn't wrong. Women make rules for Mr. Betabux and break rules for Chad and Tyrone.
Yes but his posting history is functionally equivalent to a demoralization bot.
He is wrong lol. White women are the most racist demographic in dating. You only see a lot of mudsharks in majority black areas where the white kids are basically wiggers.
He's wrong in that he is focused on black men as if they don't do the same with white. Also white women almost exclusively date intraracially
Find a new line, Jesus...
The browns whine about whites, the whites whine about the browns. And the oligarchs are laughing.
browns are worshipped by the left and young White woman betray young White man by mudsharking
She's been beta widowed by a rich/wealthy simp.
No, I don't think so. She's told me her whole life story. She's just always gone for older men most of her life to "date" and only really used young men for sex. She's used to older "rich" guys paying for everything and she usually juggles a few at a time so she's just being realistic in adding together what she's used to receiving from men in perks such that she wouldn't need to juggle these men anymore.
She's seeing this one guy who works 7 on and 7 off in the oil field. He buys everything for her and just took her out shopping for summer and bought her tons of new clothes. She only sees him for 7 days then she fucks whoever she wants which includes hooking up with this doctor guy who buys her steak and lobster dinners everytime she hangs out with him. The one oil field guy is like late 40s and has a daughter her age she she's met. Classic.
You just said it yourself. She has been beta widowed by simps. Anyway you don't hate these whores enough. Who gives a shit what she is accustomed to, she's a disgusting greedy whore with no values. And all the men in her life are pathetic weak simps. I'd pay her to get out of my sight.
I actually enjoy learning about different perspectives through hands on experience rather than internet theorizing. I'm basically an anthropologist.
I can't believe she just said that and expected you to accept that deal.
I can. Some people are really that dumb and oblivious how badly what they say comes across. Up the level to narcissists and it's even worse. Up it further to young women who are very frequently narcissistic and you have the situation above.
I now make is a point, if I end up having to pay taxes, to find ways to make government spend at least that amount in dealing with my bullshit.
I will push back on this a little, not because you're wrong (you aren't) but because of your age.
You are young, too young to give up. At minimum, get in super shape, save money, live somewhere quiet, do what you like (for me, it's working with teenagers, for instance).
Again, you are too young to give up. And thus I will do a full analysis of your posts
In order to pay her a $120k net allowance per year, well, a good rule of thumb is that you need to earn roughly double that. This means a starting salary of 250k. Of course, madam also expects you to pay top tier house, a car, trave, private school for kids, orthodontics, top tier medical treatment, so the bare minimum you would have to earn to afford that is 500k.
I say bare minimum, because even 500k is pushing it. To comfortably afford her "requirements," a gross salary of 750k-1M is more likely.
Very very few people make that a year. Even senior software engineers at Microsoft and surgeons don't make that much. You'd have to be a top tier lawyer, a world specialist surgeon, or more likely a business owner.
But what if that's not what you want? What if you wanted to be a teacher, like me? An artist, a carpenter or even a regular doctor at a clinic? What if you wanted to devote your life to volunteering, writing or other pursuits than money? Every single person I've met earning 500k+ a year had a shitlife. 80+ hours a week, stressed all the time, strokes. What if it's not the life you want?
But OK let's say you can meet her requirements. There are more issues.
The next issue is that while 10k might content her now, you can bet your ass she will invoke "inflation" and "muh kids" at some kids as an excuse to extort more and more. That 10k will become 12, 14, 15...
The other issue is of course that she'll cheat on you. To earn 1M+ a year, forget having hobbies, free time, being in shape. Look at Bezos, Musk, Trump - do you think your wife will be attracteed to you at this point? Of course not, so she'll cheat with the tennis coach, massage specialist, etc. Maybe give him a few thousands in hush money, coming of course from you.
But OK you found the one woman with a low libido, what then? After a few years, she'll divorce you. She'll hire a top lawyer (with your money, again) and smash apart the prenup, if any. "Your honor, he was paying me 10k a month. I want this continue." Now you might say, this money was conditional on her being with you. Judges are not gonna agree with you.
So now you have to pay her 10k, plus inflation, plus a settlment, plus money for kids, for life. Women live a long time. "Nah brah, I'll also hire a top lawyer and..." and you'll lose 9/10 times. Even your own lawyer will tell you to settle because men are worthless in familial court, or courts in general. No one cares.
But OK you had a few years of fun, maybe it was worth it? Maybe she got you a few kids and raised them okay ala Trump? Trump comes from another era, women like his previous wives don't really exist anymore, but hey, maybe you hit a miracle (a miracle wont ask for 10k a month but OK).
There are ways to attract women without money, of course, but it requires one or several of the following:
a) Fame, but this usually comes with money, so forget it.
b) Good looks, but again somehow this also comes with money. But let's say it doesn't. If you are born short/bald/etc, t oo bad
c) Charisma/understanding women. This is probably the easiest part for most men, but it is difficult, tedious and requires a deep long look at yourself. Women are very easy to manipulate. Pickup artists were wrong on many things, but they did understand female nature right.
The issue with c) is that the world has changed since the era of Mystery, DeAngelo, Chad (yes that was really his name) and so on. Now a woman can go on Tinder and get 100 men better than you in minutes, so in order for charisma to work, you have to be really sharp, really intelligent, and put a lot of work in. You have to really understand how women are raised (muh princess!) and their emotions, but if you do, you can manipulate pretty much 90% of women to be with you.
Of course if you are charismatic, you will go into sales/law and make a lot of money anyway
d) Connection. This implies going very, very deep in a subject. Think, becoming a chess grandmaster or knowing every Wes Anderson movie by heart. Then you can find a woman as obsessed as you and maybe build something.
e) Criminality. Women are attracted to criminals. You'd be shocked at how much mail from actually attractive women even sexual abusers get in prison. Literally men who roped (sorry!) and murdered children get marriage requests. It absolutely stunned me.
You might say t hose women are fcked in the head, but that's 90% of women
f) Being an ATM. While the woman above was asking 10k, let's face it, the odds of her getting it are... subpar to say the least. It's possible, but it's unlikely. The people who earn 750k-1M are not all idiots. Many are, but not all.
It's very difficult to earn 750k-1M before 35. At 35, you had a few relationships and experience under the belt. Will you waste it on some "average good looking woman"? Maybe, maybe not. Remember that although the game sucks for men at the bottom (the bottom being 90% of men), for billionaires, it's another story. The selection is wide and billionaires often end up with women from an upscale life.
So you can probably get some used up 30 women who sees the wall coming and wants to pop a few kids before it's too late, if that's what you want, for less than 2k net per month. That's way more affordable and in the 100-150k salary range (which by the way is what, less than 5% of people?)
g) Kindness. A rare kind of woman will respond to a man who is kind, respectful, assertive and in control. But this is less than 1% of women and you'll most likely fall into f, so it's a risky zone to play.
h) Some weird fetish scenario. As in, you become a doctor and date a nurse, but ofc this is also about money. Or you could become a BDSM master and stuff like that.
i) Become her therapist. If you are advanced enough in psychology, you can become her free therapist. Almost every woman is messed in the head and quickly she'll "fall in love" with you.
Those are the ten ways I can think to "get a woman" in today's world, (the tenth being money). Do notice that working hard, having a decent job, being a respectful man, etc. is not part of the solution, aside from being an ATM.
All this to say that yeah, cards are stacked against you. I'm in my mid-30s and even low-30s women are... used up, to say the least. It's just not attractive to me.
My suggestion to you would be - when you're tired - to go to Thailand and have fun, but unfortunately, you might get AIDS/std, so it's, again, not a perfect solution.
There is no perfect solution really. Start studying psychology?
So, I agree with everything you said.
Still, I think the "become her psychologist" or fetish scenario are more looks oriented than people realize.
To "become her therapist" you have to already have her hooked in the first place and looks is how you accomplish that. If you aren't good enough looking, she's not going to bother to see you again for therapy. If you're good enough looking such that she'd be interested in you being her therapist then you don't need the therapist hook (or at least I wouldn't because I'm actually quite good at socializing with women. I have a lot of female friends that love talking to me). I think some already use me as their therapist lol. Unfortunately, all the women who I'm friends with who are into me, I'm not into them. I'm friends with a number of girls I'm into sexually and/or romantically but none of the girls I'm friends with and into are into me at all. Just last month I was hanging out with a whore who I was paying while also hanging out with a girl friend of mine (she was aware of the whore buying. I don't hide that I buy whores from my friends). The whore seemed a little confused though and later asked me why I don't just have sex with my friend because my "friend is beautiful" (the whore said that cause my friend was better looking than the whore and she could tell). I told the whore to take that question up with my friend. The answer is I did hookup with my friend before but my friend wasn't into the sex very much. I've seen the guys she does regularly fuck and they're all like 6-pack model looking dudes. She told me I wasn't very good at sex, my dick was a little small but my tongue is nearly unmatched (apparently of the triple digit body count she has, only one guy was better with his tongue than me) so at least I have something going for me. But, she said she's just not into me sexually. I just don't get her going such that she's attracted to me even though she loves hanging out with me. It's basically the same issue I find with ugly women. They might have great personalities but if they aren't hot enough, I won't be attracted to them as anything more than friends.
I'm actually connected to a large BDSM community on a personal level. Guys/girls I know are some people most people who watch BDSM porn would recognize. While, the amateur porn can make one think "looks" aren't a factor, the guys who're getting good looking women into kink are good looking themselves. I looked into trying to get involved in the kink community but without the looks for it, most people with experience won't even bother showing you the ropes because it just comes off creepy/desperate but as soon as you're good looking then it's all good.
I might be leaning too much into incel theory but the older I've got the more I've realized how important looks are because my looks have faded with age and it's a noticeable difference (really big significantly huge noticeable different not subtle at all) in my outcome with women. I went from guys not understanding how I was able to pickup women so easily to literally an incel who can't even get laid anymore because of my faded looks. I know all about Game Theory, PUA, RP, etc... I used to be friends with a guy who was early into that, had a YouTube channel (before they all got banned) and used to run classes in Vegas to make money. I know exactly "how to talk to women" but a lot of the old stuff has changed because women are all aware of it now and have adapted. I'm sure there's new stuff in not aware of anymore though.
I could probably stand to lose 15 pouds, get Botox, maybe get facial reconstruction surgery (again because of an injury I suffered a couple years ago but the first one didn't fix everything perfectly and my face is asymmetrical to the point it's very noticeable in pictures) and a hair transplant but I'm struggling with depression right now because of my poor outcome with women so it's a vicious cycle where I kinda get the motivation but then almost immediately lose it because of how poorly I'm treated. It's to a point where most women I wouldn't even be interested in having sex with think they're above my league and don't want to have sex with me. Anyone who "wants to help me out" tries to set me up with the absolute worst women and when there's women I would be interested in, no one even bothers trying to set me up with the girl because they know she wouldn't be interested. I've expressed interest in some girls before around guys/girls I know and I can immediately see their facial reaction that is quite telling that they know I don't have a chance and they just want to move into a different subject so they can avoid telling me that directly. I actually had a guy I'm friends with recently hookup with a girl he liked but she has some flaws he couldn't overlook. He thought she might be good for me. He setup a meeting and although she'd be a girl I'd "settle" for because she's got a number of faults, I decided I could overlook them but she wasn't interested in me. That's the thing, even girls I'm having to weigh the pros and cons and maybe consider aren't even considering me at all. For girls I'm totally into without having to weigh the pros/cons, they would never consider me unless they're after money.
I didn't age well at all. I was just looking at photos of me when I was 20yos and I was good looking then. Now, not so much. Not bad looking or ugly, just not good looking. I think this is kinda my problem. My taste in women is still basically the same as when I was 20yo and I can't change it (I've tried dating ugly women but I have 0 romantic interest in them even when I try). I'm basically a woman who hit the wall and is alpha widowed but the male version. There might honestly be no coming back from this. I could be too broken. Any woman who learns the kinds of women I'm into almost immediately "hates" me (I put that in quotations because they don't necessarily truly hate me but I can see the displeasure on their face if they learn the kinds of women I'm into. The only women who don't seem to dislike my taste in women are whores because with my taste in women, I basically just reinforce all the effort they've put into marketing themselves to men). I'm basically into women who looksmax so any woman who decided she didn't want to do xyz to attract men and just wanted to do what she wanted to do will immediately recognize I won't like her for that decision compared to a woman who did do xyz to attract men. All the girls who spent all their time on school/career and thinking men should like them for those things will immediately realize I won't care about school/career at all and would pick an unemployed girl if she was better looking. But the girls who're wearing a brand new outfit they just bought after getting Botox, their nails done, eyelashes and hair done will see me as reinforcing their decision to do those things so they won't necessarily mind unless they hate having to get all those things done to attract men. Ironically, I'm the guy version of the girls with a good education/career and hoping the guy/girl will be into that be it seems the girls I'm into don't care about education/career and would fuck an unemployed guy with a criminal record (which might actually be a positive to them) if he was hot with a nice dick. Guys on here say I should go for "better" women but I have a type... Find me the "quality" women that are concerned about their looks to attract men. I love it when they scratch my back with pointed nails. There's actually a psychological component to it also. I love knowing the woman is putting in effort to improve her look to try to attract me (the man). That makes me feel good. I hate when women fall toward the spectrum where women decide they should only do what they feel like and should never do anything on account of a man (the feminist extreme). I also hate the idea that a woman spent 4 years of her life full time studying to get an education so she can market herself to business owners and become a good worker bee for some man with capital instead of spending 4 years of her life studying to be more attractive to a man (me). Now, obviously no woman actually studies 4 years for that but the last girl I dated obviously devoted a lot of her life in her teenage years to learning how to be attractive to me (looksmax) both personality/looks. When her "game" was on, it was so on-point. Anything she styled was out of this world she was so detail oriented and she used those skills towards making hot outfits for herself, makeup, nails, etc... and she looked great because of that. All I'm saying is I prefer women who spend their time trying to be attractive rather than spend their time learning philosophy or history such that they don't really know how to be hot. I also don't like women that know how to be hot but don't like doing it or feel like they shouldn't have to. It's more about attitude then all that girly work. If she was attractive fully natural and didn't get work done because she thought she looked better natural than with the extra stuff (especially Botox in women's 20s, no way imo) then great but it's the attitude... It's the reason why she doesn't get it done that matters to me.
One other thing, I like women still in their party phase. I don't like women that are in their beta long-term security phase. For me to like a woman she has to treat me like I'm the alpha short-term in her party phase but I'm actually her beta long-term security pick (she just can't act like she's in this phase and that I'm her beta long-term. With whores I can at least dictate the relationship. With free women... Well, I've rarely found a free woman who meets these terms. I just find a lot of the average quality girls (including the good looking ones) tend to be a little too boring for me and looking for too much of that cookie-cutter White picket fence lifestyle. I also find a lot of them not that hot/sexual and not that into (good) at sex. I find when I go on dates with good looking girls with average cookie-cutter lifestyles, they dislike how I'm into partying and sex because they're "over" that. They want to go for hikes, feed their dog/cats and read a book which is not bad but I might be interested in that after 5 years of partying and sex. Essentially, I don't want women who gave those years to other men and are just looking for men to fill into the security/provider husband role. I spend a lot of time hanging out with friends and socializing which I want to continue doing. I've dated women who call themselves introverts and they have a very difficult time keeping up with me.
Money is the only thing that can overcome my looks deficit that I've found but it's only temporary, I don't have the money to hire a permanent good looking woman.
Yes, there is a personality factor but it's way too ingrained in me. I've tried steroids to see if that might help with my personality and it helps a little but it's a subtle difference, not a prominent one. My personality is not good for women (or guys for that matter). I have one of those personalities that when you first meet me, you probably won't like me much or have no strong opinion either way but once you get to know me, then you'll like me. I find this works well for friendships with men but it's terrible for trying to hookup with women because the women have to give me a chance and spend enough time with me to "get me". Most "free" women don't do this. I'm friends with so many whores because I hire the whores and at first they don't really like/hate me and just stick around for the money but then once they get to know me they really like me and we become friends. Free women don't go on a second date with me and then move on so I actually have a really hard time with free women. I've had multiple girlfriends of guys I'm friends with tell me they didn't like me at first but now I'm like their best friend. Again, the only reason these girl got to know me enough to say that is because they were stuck having to hang with me because their BF was friends with me. If these women met me without their BF as a single free woman, she'd likely not like me and move on.
I've been aware of my personality defects for 10 years at least and I've put effort into fixing them. I'm way better now than I was 15 years ago but it's still not enough and there's just no way I can change my personality to what it'd need to be where free women love me from the moment they meet me. I just can't do it, it's not in my genetics.
I basically need to hit the gym more, maybe shell out $10k-20k in surgeries and aesthetics works but then see how things go. I'm convinced improving my look is the only other option besides money. I am open to other suggestions though.
You're right about the girl who said if I paid her $120k. Even if I had $120k, I know she's not worth it and I know for a fact she would cheat as you say, she also would try to have sex as minimal as possible while not being into it and I hate playing that game. That's the issue with paying for women, you're always trying to ensure she puts out and she's always trying to put out as little as possible. If you acquire women based on looks then at least they want to fuck you. I'm not even sure if I can overcome my looks deficit with surgeries though. I wish there was something like a looks consultant who could basically tell me exactly what I'd need to do to look hot enough for the women I find attractive, without getting tattoos.
It's actually pretty easy to become her psychologist IF two conditions are met:
You get past the initial "wall" that women put in front of 99% of men (anyone but chads/tyrones)
You don't mind being her fucking emotional tampon, and also having to endure a barrage of endless trite garbage, and still having to validate her "feelings" no matter what.
Trust me, 2 in particular gets draining, FAST. You can get 1 quite consistentally with some practive, but part 2 is where I'd give up. It gets incredibly tiresome to listen to her prattle and complain and bitch sometimes in totally ersatz ways. And then you have to step on your ego and make her feel better (women work by feelings) even if you feel like you're steeping on your own soul. Long term, it destroys you.
But that being said, I'd say a good 95% of attractive women are seriously messed up "up there." As in, mass anxiety (80%+ of women), depression, self-loathing, harming themselves, borderline, whatever you want.
As for BDSM, it's mostly about finding the right place; internet has made this sort of harder, but also sort of easier. I used to have a profile on kink websites and get 0 matches. The key is to make a profile on a paid online dating website and add a lot of "allusions."
For pick-up artists: the core hasn't changed, except women's attention span is now shorter than ever. And you are one "false step" away from being kicked out. It's still about being assertive and making her laugh, except now women are not "all there" meaning in the present, and she'll check her phone every 2 minutes, and most likely text another guy while she's with you; if he makes her laugh more than you, you are out.
Going on hikes, ewk. Don't people have anything better to do?
Speaking for myself - I find women unbearable in general. I teach teenagers and even there, most "women" are unbearable. I get along with male students 100 times better than females. There are a couple of exceptions of course, but I can count on one hand the number of females students I genuinely appreciated, and they tended to be the ones that excelled in my class. Boys on the other hand, I was a model/mentor/guide to at least 50. Not even joking.
Book recommendations, study guides, career advice, even help with their personal projects, games, advanced problems, I've done it all.
That being said, I still date from time to time and the fact I know ahead of time I have to pay for all of her shit pisses me off. I make $18.75 per hour after taxes as a high school teacher. A typical burger and fries here will be $22. Plus taxes and tips, youre looking at $30. For $30, I can literally have burgers for the week. And then I have to pay for her? And she wants a drink too? Easily, the restaurant alone can cost $100. For what? Some distracted women on her phone that already banged 100+ guys and probably sucked some other dudes minutes before we met?
I had one of them bring her kid to the date and expect me to pay for it, it's fucking ridiculous.
As for the girl with her 120k, she is most likely not getting that. We like to joke about it and say some rich guy will "treat" her, but the fact is it's a minimal percentage of women, really.
Sure, a lot of women suck their boyfriend dry and treat him like an ATM, but how much can she reasonably steal from him? You mentionned an oil rig worker before, even an oil rig worker isn't beating 200k a year easily, and that's before taxes. I'd be shocked if most can keep 100k cash per year so at best he can send her a couple of thousands a month (he has to pay rent, etc)
And of course, no woman is worth 10k a month. That's $330 a day and assuming she is awake 16 hours, that's over $20 per hour doing what? Nothing.
If you think she cares about you... lol. It's all fake, and I'd rather be alone. Even if I had that 10k.
I have a personality likes yours, for what matters. Most people don't look further than that. Nor would I want them to anyway.
So, what hope is there for you and I? Maybe oversea women, but I heard bad stuff. Fact is, for me, I'm too old, and the only reason I would bother with a woman is to have kids, but who wants to bring kids into this world? Future Palantir slaves.
The best hope is probably power in numbers... make an account on every dating website, write to 10 women on 10 websites every day. Or go volunteer, do activities outsides. But frankly I have energy for neither
I tried the numbers thing earlier in life. At one point I probably went on dates with 50 different women in a year. There were times I had 3 different dates on the same day. I never liked any of the women. The women were "okay" but their pros never outweighed their cons. I started learning how to filter girls out as I needed adaptation. I was spending way too much money/time trying to find a woman playing the numbers game. By the time I finally figured out how to properly prejudge women on dating apps so I didn't have to go on as many worthless dates, I started getting 0 matches. It turns out, once I knew how to find the women I actually was interested, I learned these women weren't interested in me.
Playing the numbers game is what led me to whores in the first place. I started doing the math and I realized whores were actually cheaper than trying to date free girls in large numbers (playing the numbers game) so I stopped trying to date large quantities of women and just started buying whores. That worked for years but now it's not enough because I don't really want whores but what I want wasn't something I was ever able to get playing the numbers game either.
The reality is I just don't have the genetics for the ability to get what I want from women so at best I can throw some money down to buy a temporary simulation that immitates me getting what I want. I went monk mode for like 2 years where I didn't even look at porn or masturbate the whole time and completely ignored women. I wasn't happy doing that either. Sadly, what would make me happy is getting what I want from women. When I buy whores, I feel great while they're there.
As for the psychologist thing, I can't handle being a woman's emotional outlet for long unless she's sucking my dick. If a girl is giving me what I want sexually, then I can literally put up with anything from her. I have patience for women like no other. But, I've never been able to get over the initial wall women out up and convert it into sex. I always thought having unlimited patience for women would help me get women but I've learned women actually like it when men lose patience with them because that's how they know the man "cares". When see my endless patience as either not caring or as me being stupid or a pussy. I just know wasting time with women's created drama is pointless and women pickup on this and see it almost as misogynistic, which they aren't really wrong. I see dealing with women similar to dealing with a toddler or a dog. They're going to do stupid shit because they don't know any better and it's just how they are. Getting upset over it is thus stupid. But ofc women can perceive I see them as childish/stupid/pointless and hate that about me even though it means I don't get upset at anything they do.