There are versions that go frame-by-frame that show the slide back. It looks like that's what happened; it was either a gun failure (it was a Sig P320, which are notorious for that), or the agent was a moron who had his finger on the trigger.
But, yeah, the first shot is fired accidentally into the ground by an agent. What an absolute disaster of an event.
This is frame where the gun supposedly fired. It's super blurry and pixilated, but you can still see the shape of the officer's black glove, part of the handle of the grey gun, and you can maybe kind of see the gun barrel sticking out of the slide. The officer's finger was not where the trigger would be on the gun. If this is accurate, and it might not be because the footage is super blurry, then this whole incident was caused by a Sig P320 random discharge.
I still don't know that it's true, but good lord would it be the greatest PR disaster in history if the Sig P320 ND'd a year of riots while Sig keeps pretending that the gun dindu nuffin.
You never see a barrel flash, am I supposed to believe this?
This is waco level shit, where they claimed that the cops werent shooting at the people in the compound despite the dozens of weapon flashes on recorded footage.
They really do believe the average american is dumber than dog shit and most of us are out here proving it.
You don't always see the barrel flash. I'm not saying it's definitive, but it's certainly possible. It matches up with timing...but so does the other guy, that I think you mentioned.
That's the tricky thing with this; once you start looking, you can connect all sorts of dots. Whether or not they actually connect.
But it's definitely possible that the gun goes off. And the slide certainly seems to be back. But it is bad quality, and all sorts of things could be happening.
..but I will LAUGH MY ASS OFF if it turns out a Sig had a failure that resulted in this shoot! I bet Sig's PR department is sweating hard at the news their gun was in this mess.
Wait, so is this supposed to be showing that the agent retreating with the gun managed to discharge said firearm after taking it off the guy getting dogpiled? It's not super clear what I'm looking at here.
It looks completely fucked. The shooter is going to jail and probably even the rest of these guys. ICE will be lucky to exist by the end of this clown show of an admin.
If it's any consolation, these protestors aren't stopping anything meaningful. Trump has repeatedly said he's going to let illegals working in certain industries stay. The GOP dominates states like Florida and your Texas and floods them with migrants anyway.
Yeah, that's bad. I know it's slowmo, so it's a little deceptive because it makes reaction times look different...but the guy removes the gun in clear view of the guy that shoots him in the back, it looks like.
Which also probably means I'm wrong with this post, and it wasn't an ND, although I'd have to go through again and check...but that shot to the back might be the first one. Like I said, both that and the P320 link up audio-wise, but only one can be true.
I'll look over it later, I'm moving on to other things in a bit here.
There are versions that go frame-by-frame that show the slide back. It looks like that's what happened; it was either a gun failure (it was a Sig P320, which are notorious for that), or the agent was a moron who had his finger on the trigger.
But, yeah, the first shot is fired accidentally into the ground by an agent. What an absolute disaster of an event.
Slowed down version: https://x.com/Landeur/status/2015191223900803407
This is frame where the gun supposedly fired. It's super blurry and pixilated, but you can still see the shape of the officer's black glove, part of the handle of the grey gun, and you can maybe kind of see the gun barrel sticking out of the slide. The officer's finger was not where the trigger would be on the gun. If this is accurate, and it might not be because the footage is super blurry, then this whole incident was caused by a Sig P320 random discharge.
Sig takes yet another life
I still don't know that it's true, but good lord would it be the greatest PR disaster in history if the Sig P320 ND'd a year of riots while Sig keeps pretending that the gun dindu nuffin.
You never see a barrel flash, am I supposed to believe this?
This is waco level shit, where they claimed that the cops werent shooting at the people in the compound despite the dozens of weapon flashes on recorded footage.
They really do believe the average american is dumber than dog shit and most of us are out here proving it.
Catching a muzzle flash on camera is very iffy without an extremely high fps camera.
You don't always see the barrel flash. I'm not saying it's definitive, but it's certainly possible. It matches up with timing...but so does the other guy, that I think you mentioned.
That's the tricky thing with this; once you start looking, you can connect all sorts of dots. Whether or not they actually connect.
But it's definitely possible that the gun goes off. And the slide certainly seems to be back. But it is bad quality, and all sorts of things could be happening.
the video was probably recorded in 30fps, the flash could have come and gone before the next frame was taken.
Why, exactly, do you think you would see a barrel flash? That's literally not supposed to happen on most correctly powered guns.
Here's a Sig P320 going off in a holster. Do you see a flash?
May not be random. Pretti could have modified it with a hair trigger or something.
I know, probably bad timing..
..but I will LAUGH MY ASS OFF if it turns out a Sig had a failure that resulted in this shoot! I bet Sig's PR department is sweating hard at the news their gun was in this mess.
Yeah, I saw some jokes about how wild it would be if Sig caused the next civil war.
Did they ever find out what actually happened with that gun in the Air Force base?
Wait, so is this supposed to be showing that the agent retreating with the gun managed to discharge said firearm after taking it off the guy getting dogpiled? It's not super clear what I'm looking at here.
Yes. After he apparently failed to inform his colleagues that he disarmed the guy like a complete moron.
Yes, this is the allegation from OP here. I can't really see it.
Here's slowmo from the other angle.
https://xcancel.com/AFStreamWatch/status/2015173165081604267#m
It looks completely fucked. The shooter is going to jail and probably even the rest of these guys. ICE will be lucky to exist by the end of this clown show of an admin.
Yea I can see these guys getting in trouble but I’m so sick and tired of the moronic protesters. Stop interfering or getting in front of vehicles.
If it's any consolation, these protestors aren't stopping anything meaningful. Trump has repeatedly said he's going to let illegals working in certain industries stay. The GOP dominates states like Florida and your Texas and floods them with migrants anyway.
Yea I read about that. Makes me wonder what’s the point
If any of them face repercussions then protesters will feel.emboldened to do whatever they want, a feeling leftists know all too well.
Yeah, that's bad. I know it's slowmo, so it's a little deceptive because it makes reaction times look different...but the guy removes the gun in clear view of the guy that shoots him in the back, it looks like.
Which also probably means I'm wrong with this post, and it wasn't an ND, although I'd have to go through again and check...but that shot to the back might be the first one. Like I said, both that and the P320 link up audio-wise, but only one can be true.
I'll look over it later, I'm moving on to other things in a bit here.
You're clear view is like 10 degrees. Unless he actually looked near the holster in the meantime then he didn't know if the gun was there or not.