You can read a book or listen to someone read something from the 1800s and there will be words you're not familiar with, but there's enough context that you can infer the meaning.
Scrolling through black people twitter (also gen z'ers because their slang is ebonic ghetto speak), it's constant speaking in what amounts to code.
Inference doesn't help, context doesn't help.
Heck, even looking it up doesn't really help half the time.
I've looked up the definition of "based" many times and still couldn't give you a good definition of it, which is why it's this catch all term that leftists use too. Because it doesn't mean anything.
There's always been slang in every generation that older people go "huh"
But basically an 80s teen could communicate with a an old person no problem even if the old person doesn't know what radical or tubular means.
With ebonics, it's much closer to a foreign language than mere slang.
I feel like if I encountered the term radical if twitter was around in the 80s, it would take me all of 30 seconds to infer the meaning....oh they say this whenever they see something really impressive....ok radical = impressive
But you go through black twitter and the worst inclined aspects of Gen z twitter and context and inference will not help you.
Again that's more the experience of stumbling upon Japanese twitter. You can stare at those Japanese letters all day long and you won't be able to pick up the meaning.
So yeah, when people call themselves black, and rarely ever identify as American, or have essentially a foreign identity, and speak a foreign language essentially, they're kind of like foreigners.
What else ya gon talmbout, gnome sane? Real deadahh type shi.
...Yeah, I hate this too.
Fo reel n sheeit gnomesayin
Pidgin is baby talk
It's a miracle they can speak at all considering they are another species.
My Aunt works the ER in a major city with lots of basketball people. she has to read their crazy ass names to find family members in the waiting room. She had a name recently that was "LA-AH" so she was calling out "Laaa Ahhhh?" sheboon rolls up pissed off and said it's "Lah Dash Ahhh"
I'll one up you. When I was a gubmint drone, a mom would come in with her two sons, Christian and Christian.
The older one was "Creeshawn", the younger one was Christian.
Yeah, my sister is always talking about the names. She never mentions the ethnicity because she's left leaning but I know without her saying....you know that meme about liberal female teachers trying to describe why they hate their job without mentioning black people and it shows a woman straining and nervous.
Yeah, basically that. I love my sister, but she has cognitive dissonance in this area, like many women in education.
But the names are absolutely crazy.
I think it should be crimiinal to treat naming your child like it's a novelty.
A trageideigh name in real life!
It's becoming a branch language. There have been classes on Hawaiian Pidgen and Ebonics.
Heck, my family speaks in a German ENglish Spanish mix that hurts everyone else's head
It's the easiest thing in the world and in the rare instance you see faggots/lefties using it they're going to be using it intentionally incorrectly as a form of mockery. It simply means "authentic, true and good"
As someone whose English is a third language, it’s beyond me how there are people who watch TV, listen to the radio etc. and interact with others yet still somehow can’t use basic English.
People outside of Anglosphere have to spend extra time, resources to learn English and they speak better English that people who are literally surrounded by it.
They're pretending not to know how to speak English though. If you put them in a job interview or parole hearing, they suddenly learn how to say "I am" instead of "I beez" or other garbage talk. It's all performative. Especially for the more intelligent black people that will get made fun of, ostracized or even beat up of they don't put on the act.
Look at you. You're the old person now.
What if I told you that the old person didn't understand what the teen was saying but was just pretending to follow along?
I'm 33, that's not the age where there's a giant gap in how people talk, not this type of gap, where there's a nearly foreign difference.
A 33 year old in the 80s would not be confused by the teens using rad and tubular and whatnot. Just like "Fa shizzle my nizzle" wasn't particularly confusing, even though it was retarded.
An 80 year old in the 80s would be confused by rad and tubular.
That sort of language degredation between people just over 10 years apart is not expected.
The reason is because the ebonics crap has been utterly confusing for decades. If you ever encountered even in mid to early 2000s, black people hanging out, it was so difficult to understand half of what they were talking about. Ebonics has been a seperately sort of developed thing all along. I was a teenager in camp and when the black guys were speaking the Ebonics, I couldn't understand anything. Was I "too old" as a teenager?
The reason Gen Z is non-understandable is because their slang is rooted in an entirely different culture than young people in the 80s were rooted in.
80s young people, were still iterating on the same white culture slang since like the 40s and 50s. Cool Cat, hip, square...things like that in the 50s became the rad, tubular, and bogus...thus the common throughline.
The more that slang among white culture has adopted ebonics, starting with the late 90s/early 2000s today, the harder it is to make an inference about what it means.
Someone who was young in the 50s and used "hip" would instinctively understand the term rad when they were 50 in the 80s even if they didn't personally use the word.
Ebonics is a totally different starting point, and Gen Z has embraced ebonics slang wholesale.
That's why it sounds foreign to a 33 year old, because it sounded foreign to teenage me as well.
I'm 34 and have long agreed with your statements here on wiggerisms & [younger elements of..] gen z as a whole. It's pidgin speak that has become mainstream and goes beyond mere slang. My hunch is that it's the deliberate dumbing down of society; a permanent caste of barely literate, hardly sentient pidgin speakers that can't organize or express themselves beyond "muh dih,cuh" and other guttural expresions.
Not even you believe this.
Do women speak English the way men understand it?
Yes. They don't use secret vocabulary, they're very openly terrible people.
So you're one of those who deny that women will say "yes that's what I want" when they really mean "if you do that, I will hate you forever...and me saying yes is a test to see if you know me well enough to know what I actually want from you"
Aka the "s*** testing"
Odd that you deny that in this particular scenario. Even people who aren't particularly ideological one way or another recogonize this ia a common trait for women. It was typical joke fodder for sitcoms it's such a well known thing.
And yet you deny it in this particular instance because you HAVE TO BE RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING IN ALL SCENARIOS!!!
If a scenario was different and my post was talking about how women and men can communicate easily with each other, you'd say "women only say what's convenient to say for them to achieve their means at any given moment" or "are highly manipulative and will say A when they mean B in order to trap men in something", things I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you on, though we'd differ on the extreme.
The only reason you responded the way you did in this scenario is because you recogonized it would trap you and make you look bad.
So the question is, why do you feel you need to be right about everything on every topic? What's going on there?
I'm not being mean or insincere, there's something where you're not happy, or troubled beyond what is typical in this modern hellscape. I want you to be happier.
This place aint like Reddit where if you annoy someone, you're a "cast off" forever.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say I'd actually want you to do better and be happier and if you changed to be a little more agreeable, people would accept you.
I make comments supporting Jews and when I do that, people call me a retard. I don't care, I believe what I believe.
Then I make posts where people agree and they say "good point".
That's what's nice about the community here is it's not a popularity contest...they judge you based on exactly what you're saying at the moment.
You feel like you've dug a hole for yourself, but you haven't. In most other places on the internet, that would be true.
Most of us here wouldn't have any hostility to you if you dropped the hostility to every post every person makes...we're not grudge keeping scorned women who hang what someone used to be like over their head forever.
You're a nice man but you're wasting your effort on him. He lost too much heart by paying too much attention to ugliness of this world. Only he can bring himself back.
The irony of it all is that it'll actualy take a sensible woman.
Yes, imp is female.
The women who act like this, in my experience, are quite easy to disarm. They’re essentially a non-factor. If a woman says to me “yes that’s what I want,” and I take that at face value, and now suddenly she “hates me forever,” then I say good riddance!
Oh you hate me? Great, I’ll go over here and you can stay far away since you hate me so much. Now instead I’m spending time with better people who are more honest and communicative with their feelings.
In other words: who cares about women who speak this way?
It's fine, there's nothing important or interesting in nigger-speak even if you do understand
Not entirely in disagreement, but I just searched for the definition of based, and both normal online dictionaries and urban dictionary had the modern slang definition.
"The slang term "based" is used to describe someone who is confident in their beliefs and unbothered by others' opinions, especially when expressing controversial or unconventional views."
That's essentially the definition I get, but it's such a meaningless word.
I see transgender stuff being called based by leftists, and it's not like snowflake where they're trying to unsuccessfully co-opt it.
Based is literally a normie term that means "I like this".
When it can be used for any context anywhere by anybody to mean anything, it's not a word.
I mean, someone could say "well radical and tubular were catch all terms"
here's the difference. If anybody in the 80s saw two dudes kissing and said "that's rad" everyone would look at them and go "faggot".
If you called your grandmothers painting of a cat "radical", people would roll their eyes at that and think it was a bit embarrassing.
There were contexts where rad made way more sense than others.
If a guy landed a gnarly trick on a skateboard and you say "that was radical dude", that is 100% an expected use of the word.
If a guy has a girlfriend that is fun to talk to and someone says "You've got a rad chick", again, that would be an expected use of the word.
Rad was the 80s version of the word groovy. There's certain things you would call groovy, and certain things where if you called it groovy, you'd get some weird looks, because it's typically reserved for certain contexts. Like if you were listening to Pink Floyd and you said, "this is groovy, this is far out" people would think "that's the correct use of the word groovy.
You could personally like polka music, but if you called it "groovy" people would probably laugh at you. You could say "It's weird, but I kind of like it" and people would accept it even if they ragged you for liking Polka, but calling Polka "groovy" would get people mocking you full stop.
See, the slang even as catch all as they were, had pretty specific contexts in which you would expect to hear them.
Based gets used by everyone for everything and is thus completely meaningless. It's a slang that means "I like this thing according to my sesnibilities".
And here's the thing, based is one of the EASIER inferred words despite every normie using it for whatever purpose. I was on Twitter and someone made a vague post and the black people kept saying "This is loss"
That's not a typo, they kept going "Is this loss"
"This loss"
"This is loss"
and other variations of it. I could look up the slang, but I have no desire to. I'm tired of knowing things like "cap" and "keep it 100" and other bullcrap. I kept scrolling until I could figure out what "This is loss" means, and I never could figure out despite seeing dozens of examples.
I assume since these comments were posted on a vague post that "This is loss" means something like "I don't know what this means"
Which again, is like retarded code.
Wouldn't typing "???" three question marks express the same thing and not seem retarded. The question mark is the universal sign of "I'm confused by this. But "this is loss", like all the ghetto slang, sounds like someone half retarded and barely understands English had a stroke while trying to communicate an idea.
Could it have been they were saying the vague post was the loss meme? Which isn't a black thing.
Could be, have no idea what loss meme is
now do their music
I don't believe they speak any language. It's just grunts, context clues, and mispronounced portions of the host languages.
The phrase you're looking for is "African-American Vernacular English".
"Based" is literally just synonymous to "agreeable." It's not that complicated. When you are told you are "based" you are being told that you are towing the line of their world view. People like to act like it's come complex thing that only Chads can be, but it really isn't. Not at its core.
Pedantic point.
"Based" is loosely slang for "Based in reality" as in opposite to leftists hyperreality.
When leftists say “African American Ebonics” AAE that are coping with the fact that most blacks simply cannot speak proper English.
This isn't a bad take... but it still begs the question of "why" and we do ourselves a massive disservice by not exploring it.
Single mother homes have gutted the black family and the result is essentially environmentally-induced mental retardation. I did nearly two years in social work, and I was shocked at what I saw (and I had a hell of a negative view before I went in).
Expecting a third grade vocabulary from anyone in the inner city is generally asking too much. Hell, I checked into a hotel in DC yesterday and the valet (a black guy) took about 20 seconds to write my (very simple and Biblical) name... building each letter line by line like he was copying it.
It's like an entire community stuck as children. Mentally and socially.
My favorite story from 22 months in the abyss:
We worked with a kid whose name was "Dahjhon"
Dahjhon III, mind you.
After getting to know the family (honestly not that bad... legitimately trying, dad was at home), I asked "what's up with the spelling of your names?"
Three generations of men had no idea that they had John spelled wrong.
I strongly suspect Dwyane Wade wasn't a clerical error, either.
I mean, yeah if you’re crawling through the worst parts of twitter you’re going to find memespeak and shorthand everywhere. In real life most people who aren’t basement dwellers talk perfectly normally.
I have to ask my kids to explain shit all the time. I feel grateful when we agree its stupid.
I kinda feel like you're just fat gay and retarded.
I'll have you know I've been losing some weight