So the guy who constantly talks about Israeli conspiracies to destroy Europe, fake the Holocaust, commit genocide, and do 9/11, suddenly meets a bridge he can't cross when people say Israel might have something to do with Charlie Kirk's assassination. Interesting!
Btw at this point, if you think yet another lone gunman who had absolutely no connections to anyone shot Charlie... lol. They're hoping that calling him a gay antifa furry will make the story stick.
I think there was a bunch of megalomaniac televangelist types at the top of Turning Point that looked the other way or maybe had a hand in it, like the secret service at Trump's shooting.
Not proof but there is evidence for it, namely being charged. Grand jury said he might be the guy. They only see one side of the evidence, but that side exists.
But I never said the FBI's case was proven, and neither did Fuentes. He said there's no proof in these conspiracy theories and there's not. He's right, Ian Carroll is wrong.
I feel like you guys' emotions are overcoming your ability to actually read and think critically. You guys haven't contradicted anything I said or Fuentes said but you're mighty angry about it.
If you buy into the FBI story on Kirk, you never read anything about it. It's only the fourth high-profile American political assassination done by a magic bullet.
So he's all in on Israel doing 9/11 but it's too much for them to shoot a guy who talks to college students? It's so beyond the pale that he has to disavow the theory on every (numerous) mainstream podcast appearance? Please.
He is saying, definitively, that Israel had nothing to do with it. How could he possibly know this? Why won't he litigate any of the facts?
If he simply didn't agree then he could just shut up about it and talk about something else. Instead, he's going to war over this.
Anyone who believes the official story is a retard. Nick has grown on me lately but he is way too fucking sensitive. He is still butthurt about the Candace interview so wants to pile on her and refuses to believe Charlie was turning on Israel because they beefed over it for years. If he isn't a fed this is his biggest flaw, he seemingly can't get along with anyone for more than 2 minutes because he always goes scorched earth over nothing.
he seemingly can't get along with anyone for more than 2 minutes because he always goes scorched earth over nothing.
This is a major problem with the "new" or "alt" right in general, whatever you want to call it.
Everything is a purity spiral, where you must be the angriest about the issue at hand, and are compelled to virtue signal about it or else you are complicit in the alternative extreme. You cannot have any half measures, and any nuance or trepidation is a sign of being secretly X trying to subvert.
So instead of anyone coming together to fight the greater foes, even with a difference of opinion, you must instead bicker and fight each other over the finer points of "I'm 110% right and if you don't suck my cock for it you are a Jew" over and over.
What if being a shit stirrer is the op? Fuentes did team up with Anglin to do the "Optics War" back around 2019 or so. And let me tell you, if there is anyone with good optics, it's definitely Anglin and Fuentes!
Disagreements are fine, but people need to make sense. "Anti-Semites for ZOG Wars" doesn't. It's Azov-tier nonsense.
ETA: I don't think disagreeing over whether Israel killed Kirk is an issue, though.
At the top its always an op, for what purpose is usually the question. No talking head is forthcoming with their angle, and if you find yourself agreeing with them its a sign they are succeeding at that manipulation rather than them being some truth speaker.
For us at the commoner level, where there is literally nothing on the line other than the sweet, sweet updoots? Its complete nonsense, seeking validation as the supreme noticer instead of trying to make sense.
It's difficult to tell if that's what goes on here. I know the .win site is absolutely infested with nefarious accounts. It's way more obvious if you use the T_D.
I can think of quite a few that are highly suspicious on here alone, but its not like they aren't in good company with how many have let themselves become ideologically captured over Jews, Trump, and Woke anyway so its pretty meaningless a distinction.
They literally billed themselves as an "endless hype rally" as their founding principle, so I'm not surprised they ban anything that could go against that grain. At least back in the day they used to point you to different subs for "balanced" discussion around Trump, though it was always just a place for doomers and Lefties because Reddit. I'm not sure if that's still true since the move here, but they had a reason for it at one point.
Not to excuse it, as its part of the reason why they end up in an echo chamber of idiocy, but as long as they keep it to their own corner instead of sitewide I'll continue to not go there.
That's the only alternate scenario I would entertain. Nick is a textbook raging closet gay Catholic schoolboy and he has a history of blowing up his relationships and collaborations.
I think, after watching his show, his ego is enormous and he's very arrogant. He can't stand anyone getting more attention than himself about any topic. I do think he's been offered a seat at the table in exchange for rescinding his previous views on race and nationality especially, but regardless, his arrogance will always be obvious and will destroy his chance at true leadership.
because its an authoritarian nightmare country where success is conditional on how much the CCP likes you, and the feds have no problem welding you into your own apartment to starve if you are sick with an infectious disease. They also have heavy infrastructural problems thanks to corruption, which is the source of all those building collapse videos that you saw on LiveLeak.
No, but it shows that "here's some bad things about China" in defense of a drag queen empire (not your intention, but effectively what you were doing) misses the mark.
We're condemning the entire world then. Of course, that is not inappropriate, but why should we not praise China for what it does right? Like I praise the US for doing free speech better.
Fuentes getting savaged on youtube, people are saying it's him in the comments, but idk if it's legit his channel. Either way the comments are tearing him apart rightfully. This is the first big L he's had PR wise in a long time, he was stacking wins and growing his audience, will be interesting to see how he handles this because he's looking bad here. He's not even informed on the topic, he's getting basic facts wrong. He's either compromised or holds grudges like a woman.
It was literally confirmed by TPUSA you retard. He 100% said that in a group chat filled with zionists 48 hours before he was killed. And the zionists lied about it and tried to cover it up.
The Trump Administration has frozen $200 million in grants to UCLA.
UCLA has engaged in blatant racial discrimination in admissions for both undergraduate and medical school admissions. It also allowed radicals to create an exclusion zone for Jewish students during pro-Palestine demonstrations in 2024.
If UCLA wants its funding back, there's a simple fix: Stop discriminating, stop letting radicals rule the roost, and treat all applicants, students, and faculty equally. If that's too much for them, then they're free to make do without taxpayer funds.
Go look it up yourself man, I'm not wasting my time with this. It is a 100% fact that message was real, Charlie said "leaving me no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause" 48 hours before dying. TPUSA literally confirmed it and he even said he sent the same screen shot to the FBI.
Are you trolling or just retarded? This isn't up for debate, you can believe whatever you want. Charlie told a group chat of zionists that he was leaving the pro Israel cause 48 hours before he died and they lied about it. Those are the facts.
The only thing that makes it hard to believe is that the general consensus around here, before Charlie Kirk was shot, was that he was just a normie grifter Republican influencer who was too much of a coward to name the jew and probably too boggled down in generic Republican talking points to even Notice the jew.
When Charlie Kirk was shot, suddenly we were to believe that Charlie Kirk was a rabid anti-Semite, so dangerously close to pulling back the curtain and showing the American public that globalists were jews that they had to quickly and sloppily assassinate him. And in Nick Fuentes' defense, if that's the angle he's playing, is plausible. Meaning that it is still hard for me to believe that normie Charlie Kirk was the top anti-Semite on pIssrael's radar and target list.
Yeah, I don't buy that he was really turning against them. Just before he was killed, he had Ben Shapiro on his show for a softball interview where Ben spouted uncontested Hasbara. Kirk complaining about Jews in private isn't unusual. Billy Graham did as well. It's on the Nixon tapes. He still did what they wanted. It's not all that different from any other job where someone complains about the boss but still keeps the work up.
The loss of Kirk has also been bad for Jews. His show used to routinely be a top 10 podcast, and I heard it was something like #94 now. They're trying to replace him with Brilyn Hollyhands faggot, but it's not working at all.
Yeah, I don't buy that he was really turning against them. Just before he was killed, he had Ben Shapiro on his show for a softball interview where Ben spouted uncontested Hasbara.
Dude, that is the same interview that Ben's eyebrows crawled into his yarmulke when Charlie started asking him questions from the pro-Palestinian side. To you they sound like softballs. To an ideology that is so thin-skinned that they regularly launch national attacks on children's TV show hosts because they dared bring on Palestinian kids, those questions were defcon 2 at least.
Reiterating, random Zionists are so hostile that they'll block ambulances in traffic, spit on Christians, steal people's houses out from under them, and beat up grandmas trying to pick olives. Ben Shapiro is no random Zionist. He's an agent who has been witnessed receiving orders from Mossad. If they are that hostile towards average people, how do you think they react when literally millions of votes and billions of dollars are at stake?
ZOG is a mafia. We are not a part of it, so their customs and norms are totally alien to us.
You say Ben was allowed to spout hasbara. Obviously he was... he massively outranks Charlie in the organization and that interview was basically Charlie kicking up to him.
It's cool that everyone is pissed at Israel but it really is pretty likely that the reddit guy that got arrested just got radicalized by his tranny boyfriend.
The idea that some crazy lefty did it isn't the problem, the official story making no sense is the problem. 30.06 in the neck and no exit wound, kid didn't have the rifle going up on the roof or coming down from the roof, yet the rifle was found in the woods etc. If the official story had no problems there would still be whispers cause of all the Israel drama, but it wouldn't be half the story it is right now
I'll admit I may have a bad take on this since I have never shot a 30.06 nor seen an animal get shot by it. I also have not researched the other details. Those are definitely strange.
So the guy who constantly talks about Israeli conspiracies to destroy Europe, fake the Holocaust, commit genocide, and do 9/11, suddenly meets a bridge he can't cross when people say Israel might have something to do with Charlie Kirk's assassination. Interesting!
Btw at this point, if you think yet another lone gunman who had absolutely no connections to anyone shot Charlie... lol. They're hoping that calling him a gay antifa furry will make the story stick.
Ian Carroll is saying there's smoke so that's the same thing as fire. Fuentes is saying where's the fire. Fuentes is right.
That's why you have to say 'if you think anything else then you're a dumb-dumb' instead of actually showing proof.
It looks really suspicious to you, but that's all it is is your suspicions. If you don't have proof by now you won't ever.
Are there any official stories you don't believe or do you just swallow them whole?
I think there was a bunch of megalomaniac televangelist types at the top of Turning Point that looked the other way or maybe had a hand in it, like the secret service at Trump's shooting.
Is that the official story?
That's supported by actual facts.
Huh? Sounds like a lot of smoke with no fire, buddy. Suspicions without hard proof. Kind of the exact thing you accused me of.
Once again you're agreeing with me and not even realizing it.
You'll have to explain your genius to us some other time
So "no"
There is no "proof" that Tyler Robinson was the shooter, none
Not proof but there is evidence for it, namely being charged. Grand jury said he might be the guy. They only see one side of the evidence, but that side exists.
But I never said the FBI's case was proven, and neither did Fuentes. He said there's no proof in these conspiracy theories and there's not. He's right, Ian Carroll is wrong.
I feel like you guys' emotions are overcoming your ability to actually read and think critically. You guys haven't contradicted anything I said or Fuentes said but you're mighty angry about it.
How do you explain the 18 tons of smoke? If you accept that there is indeed smoke, what's your alternative hypothesis that explains all the smoke?
Nah Fuentes is damage controlling and trying to maintain power within the reactionary sphere.
Fuentes supports war in Venezuela. That's stronger evidence of malfeasance than him not buying into Kirk conspiracies.
If you buy into the FBI story on Kirk, you never read anything about it. It's only the fourth high-profile American political assassination done by a magic bullet.
The FBI is run by a jeet podcaster who wears women's FBI jackets. I wouldn't trust them to investigate a clogged toilet.
Well, yeah. Exactly.
I just think the foreign policy is better evidence. It's more straightforward and throws his whole worldview into question. The Kirk stuff doesn't.
So he's all in on Israel doing 9/11 but it's too much for them to shoot a guy who talks to college students? It's so beyond the pale that he has to disavow the theory on every (numerous) mainstream podcast appearance? Please.
He is saying, definitively, that Israel had nothing to do with it. How could he possibly know this? Why won't he litigate any of the facts?
If he simply didn't agree then he could just shut up about it and talk about something else. Instead, he's going to war over this.
He's a jeet. The mere concept confuses him because you can't clog a street.
"You underestimate my power." - Lizzo
with how full of shit they are, you'd think its their area of expertise.
Anyone who believes the official story is a retard. Nick has grown on me lately but he is way too fucking sensitive. He is still butthurt about the Candace interview so wants to pile on her and refuses to believe Charlie was turning on Israel because they beefed over it for years. If he isn't a fed this is his biggest flaw, he seemingly can't get along with anyone for more than 2 minutes because he always goes scorched earth over nothing.
This is a major problem with the "new" or "alt" right in general, whatever you want to call it.
Everything is a purity spiral, where you must be the angriest about the issue at hand, and are compelled to virtue signal about it or else you are complicit in the alternative extreme. You cannot have any half measures, and any nuance or trepidation is a sign of being secretly X trying to subvert.
So instead of anyone coming together to fight the greater foes, even with a difference of opinion, you must instead bicker and fight each other over the finer points of "I'm 110% right and if you don't suck my cock for it you are a Jew" over and over.
What if being a shit stirrer is the op? Fuentes did team up with Anglin to do the "Optics War" back around 2019 or so. And let me tell you, if there is anyone with good optics, it's definitely Anglin and Fuentes!
Disagreements are fine, but people need to make sense. "Anti-Semites for ZOG Wars" doesn't. It's Azov-tier nonsense.
ETA: I don't think disagreeing over whether Israel killed Kirk is an issue, though.
At the top its always an op, for what purpose is usually the question. No talking head is forthcoming with their angle, and if you find yourself agreeing with them its a sign they are succeeding at that manipulation rather than them being some truth speaker.
For us at the commoner level, where there is literally nothing on the line other than the sweet, sweet updoots? Its complete nonsense, seeking validation as the supreme noticer instead of trying to make sense.
It's difficult to tell if that's what goes on here. I know the .win site is absolutely infested with nefarious accounts. It's way more obvious if you use the T_D.
I can think of quite a few that are highly suspicious on here alone, but its not like they aren't in good company with how many have let themselves become ideologically captured over Jews, Trump, and Woke anyway so its pretty meaningless a distinction.
Funny enough it seems to come and go by days.
I just discovered that linking Unz Review gets your comment auto-removed on T_D. This site is so cooked.
https://scored.co/c/KotakuInAction2/p/1ARd8awHDQ/td-auto-removes-links-to-unz-rev/c
They literally billed themselves as an "endless hype rally" as their founding principle, so I'm not surprised they ban anything that could go against that grain. At least back in the day they used to point you to different subs for "balanced" discussion around Trump, though it was always just a place for doomers and Lefties because Reddit. I'm not sure if that's still true since the move here, but they had a reason for it at one point.
Not to excuse it, as its part of the reason why they end up in an echo chamber of idiocy, but as long as they keep it to their own corner instead of sitewide I'll continue to not go there.
That's the only alternate scenario I would entertain. Nick is a textbook raging closet gay Catholic schoolboy and he has a history of blowing up his relationships and collaborations.
I think, after watching his show, his ego is enormous and he's very arrogant. He can't stand anyone getting more attention than himself about any topic. I do think he's been offered a seat at the table in exchange for rescinding his previous views on race and nationality especially, but regardless, his arrogance will always be obvious and will destroy his chance at true leadership.
Nick the Spic is their designated "bad goy"
truth is, he was always gay.
Fuentes praises Stalin and Modern China. his opinions are not worth your time
Why shouldn't he praise modern China?
because its an authoritarian nightmare country where success is conditional on how much the CCP likes you, and the feds have no problem welding you into your own apartment to starve if you are sick with an infectious disease. They also have heavy infrastructural problems thanks to corruption, which is the source of all those building collapse videos that you saw on LiveLeak.
In Europe, we can get arrested for criticizing 'asylum seekers' raping women, and transgenderism. China is doing fine.
This is also hardly unique to China, even if we compare it to "Western democracies".
Fair point.
And you also have the Hong Kong situation. Still, a lot of the criticisms are small potatoes. Overall, they're doing a fine job.
just because Europe is worse on many levels doesn't mean China is suddenly admirable.
No, but it shows that "here's some bad things about China" in defense of a drag queen empire (not your intention, but effectively what you were doing) misses the mark.
you can condemn authoritarian simps while also condemning groomers. those things are far from mutually exclusive.
We're condemning the entire world then. Of course, that is not inappropriate, but why should we not praise China for what it does right? Like I praise the US for doing free speech better.
Fuentes has said 1000x worse things than Candace or Tucker but didn't even make the "Top 10" antisemites list
That's cus he got it in a previous year.
He's scared they'll use the microphone bomb on him too.
Fuentes getting savaged on youtube, people are saying it's him in the comments, but idk if it's legit his channel. Either way the comments are tearing him apart rightfully. This is the first big L he's had PR wise in a long time, he was stacking wins and growing his audience, will be interesting to see how he handles this because he's looking bad here. He's not even informed on the topic, he's getting basic facts wrong. He's either compromised or holds grudges like a woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YRlPNeg7n8
Why would Israel kill a wall kisser?
Because Charlie said he was "done with the pro-Israel cause" shortly before his death.
And when did he say that? Because I'm calling bullshit. And don't cite the niggress grifter.
There has been no one as opposed to White nationalism as the civnats/christians.
It was literally confirmed by TPUSA you retard. He 100% said that in a group chat filled with zionists 48 hours before he was killed. And the zionists lied about it and tried to cover it up.
Then you should be able to provide a link. Because just a month earlier he was saying: https://xcancel.com/charliekirk11/status/1951400325593575853#m
So he was still pro pissrael as of August 1st.
In July he was outright carrying water for the kikes.
And never forget and never forgive him for kissing the wall.
Here is Andrew Kolvet of TPUSA confirming the legitimacy of the texts live on the "Charlie Kirk Show."
You can lead a dumb fuck to a link, but you can't make him admit he was wrong.
Well, at least you tried.
"Israel represented European Civilization"
"Hamas were the chief evildoers"
Literal quotes from the video you linked, describing Kirk's views. He was still a zionist.
You: Uhh duhh I believe the writer
Such a shit troll
Go look it up yourself man, I'm not wasting my time with this. It is a 100% fact that message was real, Charlie said "leaving me no choice but to leave the pro Israel cause" 48 hours before dying. TPUSA literally confirmed it and he even said he sent the same screen shot to the FBI.
You are a liar, repeating the nigger grifters unhinged points. Charlie was a Zionist till his dying breath.
Are you trolling or just retarded? This isn't up for debate, you can believe whatever you want. Charlie told a group chat of zionists that he was leaving the pro Israel cause 48 hours before he died and they lied about it. Those are the facts.
When did nick change his tune and begin defending pIsrael? When he met with Tucker?
He countersignaled the "Israel killed Kirk" stuff immediately.
The only thing that makes it hard to believe is that the general consensus around here, before Charlie Kirk was shot, was that he was just a normie grifter Republican influencer who was too much of a coward to name the jew and probably too boggled down in generic Republican talking points to even Notice the jew.
When Charlie Kirk was shot, suddenly we were to believe that Charlie Kirk was a rabid anti-Semite, so dangerously close to pulling back the curtain and showing the American public that globalists were jews that they had to quickly and sloppily assassinate him. And in Nick Fuentes' defense, if that's the angle he's playing, is plausible. Meaning that it is still hard for me to believe that normie Charlie Kirk was the top anti-Semite on pIssrael's radar and target list.
Yeah, I don't buy that he was really turning against them. Just before he was killed, he had Ben Shapiro on his show for a softball interview where Ben spouted uncontested Hasbara. Kirk complaining about Jews in private isn't unusual. Billy Graham did as well. It's on the Nixon tapes. He still did what they wanted. It's not all that different from any other job where someone complains about the boss but still keeps the work up.
The loss of Kirk has also been bad for Jews. His show used to routinely be a top 10 podcast, and I heard it was something like #94 now. They're trying to replace him with Brilyn Hollyhands faggot, but it's not working at all.
Dude, that is the same interview that Ben's eyebrows crawled into his yarmulke when Charlie started asking him questions from the pro-Palestinian side. To you they sound like softballs. To an ideology that is so thin-skinned that they regularly launch national attacks on children's TV show hosts because they dared bring on Palestinian kids, those questions were defcon 2 at least.
Reiterating, random Zionists are so hostile that they'll block ambulances in traffic, spit on Christians, steal people's houses out from under them, and beat up grandmas trying to pick olives. Ben Shapiro is no random Zionist. He's an agent who has been witnessed receiving orders from Mossad. If they are that hostile towards average people, how do you think they react when literally millions of votes and billions of dollars are at stake?
ZOG is a mafia. We are not a part of it, so their customs and norms are totally alien to us.
You say Ben was allowed to spout hasbara. Obviously he was... he massively outranks Charlie in the organization and that interview was basically Charlie kicking up to him.
Wait, when did that happen?
https://x.com/BasedSamParker/status/1880295751022182686
See the Charles Johnson image.
It's cool that everyone is pissed at Israel but it really is pretty likely that the reddit guy that got arrested just got radicalized by his tranny boyfriend.
The idea that some crazy lefty did it isn't the problem, the official story making no sense is the problem. 30.06 in the neck and no exit wound, kid didn't have the rifle going up on the roof or coming down from the roof, yet the rifle was found in the woods etc. If the official story had no problems there would still be whispers cause of all the Israel drama, but it wouldn't be half the story it is right now
I'll admit I may have a bad take on this since I have never shot a 30.06 nor seen an animal get shot by it. I also have not researched the other details. Those are definitely strange.