Apparently a high profile streamer was recently sexually assaulted on camera at twitch con.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWIXyUUqKz0
the streamer goes into detail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLrxuSS33xg
EDIT: original stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_USuIpVAqAw
The offender was escorted away by private security hired by the streamer herself, not twitch security. They have yet to find the perp, but twitch supposedly banned him (meaning twitch knows who he is and haven't notified police).
Twitch had dealt with stalkers before, and their response was to ban the private security guards who fought off the creeps. They put out messaging claiming their security is top notch, then blame the victims for not moderating their streams, as if that does anything to stop real creeps at real meetups.
The incompetence and deflection, combined with the business model of twitch streams, leads me to believe twitch knows who their primary audience is: stalkers and molesters willing to fork over 5$ to get the streamer to say their name.
I heard about this a bit, the story is wild. A few details to expand on:
It was both.The creep was stopped by Emiru's - the streamer's - security, while Twitch security just watched (and apparently later laughed about it),but was then handed over to Twitch's people...who promptly let the creep just nope out and escape from them. He literally just slips them and runs off. He was in Twitch's hands for literally a couple seconds.Hilariously incompetent.EDIT: I rewatched the video, and realized I had misconstrued what was happening. Emi's security just basically pushes him off the stage after stopping him. He is not handed over to Twitch, he's just allowed to walk. /edit
I've just glad this guy was just a creep, and not someone who wanted to hurt her, or this would be a much different story. She could be dead right now. As I said, ridiculously incompetent.
They also seemed to be lying; they said he was escorted away, when that's not that case. Again, he
just shook them off immediately andtrotted off into the crowd. He wasn't "escorted" anywhere; he left the incident site on his own, and it's all on camera.They literally banned Emiru's previous security specifically, for protecting her in a previous incident. Emiru's security guard has a lifetime ban from Twitchcon, so she couldn't use her main guy.
Yup. Twitch CEO was basically implying streamers knowingly take risks, basically saying it's their fault.
Honestly he's kinda right, he's just retarded for saying it as if he doesn't also have responsibility for their safety. These camgirls know what kind of desperate losers they're taking money from, know the risks that come with that, and do it anyways. When your paycheck is based on how well you can create and maintain parasocial relationships - Especially when you're an attractive woman with a male audience - this sort of thing is inevitable and predictable. Hell, she went into this situation knowing her personal guard would not be allowed in, and only after signing the contract to appear did she raise a public fuss about it. Even when that didn't change anything, she still did her meet and greet.
He might as well have said "You hoes know I'm a bad pimp who'll let the Johns hurt you." Yeah, he is, and they should have known, and really should have taken that into consideration before they decided to work the corner.
It's both. They promised Twitchcon would have good security. They have Twitch security there, who didn't do their jobs. It's true everyone, including streamers, are responsible for their own safety, and should know the risks of all things in life, but when you go to an event with their own security, and your main security guy is banned...it's on Twitch to protect you. They didn't.
It's just like in society; if the government says you can't defend yourself, and their people will handle things, and something happens to you, it is the government that failed too.
Yeah, it is certainly a weird situation. Not familiar with the streamer, but from what I've seen the content certainly isn't for me. It's true she knows she's creating parasocial relationships, and weirdos will want to do things to her. It's still true that doesn't justify the assault either, though. Which I know isn't what you're saying.
Anyway, point is, sure, she knew the risks. Doesn't make it any less evil that Twitch - who definitely have a a duty to protect people at their own event, much less protect their streamers who are (sort of) employees - is trying to dodge all responsibility for what is, almost completely, their failure. They fucked up by not defending one of the most obvious points of attack, while banning the other people who should have been protecting her.
Yup, also true.
It really is sad, though. No matter how you feel about these people, some of the shit their fans do to them are awful to hear about. Plenty of people have been stalked, attacked, airtagged, and so much more. That still sucks.
Its the classic hooker problem. Where they get treated like literal disposable trash by so many people out in this world, but sympathy for them is so low (often justifiably so) that cops just straight say "no humans involved" when one of them is killed.
knowing the entertainment industry, there have definitely been killings by twitch stalkers as well.
It's worse when twitch actually requires them to do this meet n greet format. The girl in this incident is on camera a few hours prior claiming she had to do the meet n greet in exchange for a time slot for her show in the convention. And it ends with her meekly saying, "it'll be fine, I'm sure everyone will be nice."
Sad shit.
You think they just intuitively know even before they actually start doing it?
Remember the story about how some Japanese or Korean streamer was murdered because some creep found her location using the reflection in her eyeball? Paradoxical relationships are nuts.
I'm starting to suspect that Twitch has a sofa policy and Emiru didn't played along with it. It's one thing Twitch persecutes Vtubers, but it seems fleshtubers are just as much on the chopping block.
Probably.
Nah. Hanlon's Razor in full force here. While Twitch is absolutely malicious...they're also grossly incompetent. I don't think this was a targeted attack from Twitch, or a "LIHOP" or anything. They just didn't do their job securing the venue or that specific event, and Emiru just happened to be the person who got the short straw. It could have happened to anyone.
Which always cracks me up. They care more about animes than the shit their degenerate pornstars get up to on their platform. As the "joke" goes, it's probably because Twitch admins can't exploit and fuck a drawing.
e-thot culture needs to die tbh... e-thots made only fans be "acceptable".
no argument from me, but a decent society still protects people from predators.
Protect the good and innocent. Sure.
But.. cant protect those that does risky things or dont want to be protected or tell you you are racist or sexist for trying to protect.
that's a lot of projection
sex has nothing to do with it. even when people are engaged in degenerate shit, stocking and sexual assault are universally frowned upon, with good reason.
projecting a subset of a demographic onto the whole demographic is low IQ thinking.
to put it in the context of this conversation, less than 60% of women voted Democrat in the last three elections. even if we round it up to 60%, and assume (very generously) that every single one of those Democrat voters was a hyper feminist open borders lunatic, that's still 40% of women that you are throwing under the bus because the other 60% are retarded. put another way, in the United States that's approximately 67 million people you are condemning, despite the fact that they either did nothing wrong, or even opposed the retarded 60%.
it's far more practical to assess the person who got attacked on her own.
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low IQ confirmed
Pro tip: There are LOTS of women in this world who deserve it.
Yep along with promoting furry diper pedo shit on their front page and only banning him for a day, Hasan being a thing in general, trying to get vtubers to reveal their face to verify and now this, Twitch is a walking PR nightmare for Amazon.
Which is why I DON'T understand why they don't purge their staff by now? They purged the Washington Post for less so why not Twitch?
Furry diaper pedophile shit*
Huh didn't notice that auto correct, they REALLY don't like you noticing pedos lol.
This is absolutely one of those stories where literally everyone involved is at fault and deserves to be scorned/shamed/beaten for it.
The guy is a creep, no further expounding needed. Its been said to death on every other forum all the problems there.
But an ethot literally only succeeds on being a predator, creating these parasocial relationships with broken, lonely men to give them the crumb of attention that keeps them from killing themselves. They can cover it up all they want (apparently this one isn't pure titty streamer but "cosplay" as they keep defending her), but its predatory in all ways and you literally could not succeed if you did not play into that evil. So these creeps are less a "problem" and more FAFO in action.
And Twitch has always been this way, its shocking how shocked people are to find out. Granted, this is the most overtly obvious version I've seen, but its been known forever that most of their higher ups offer protection and benefits to female streamers that sleep with them (and males who parrot their politics). But, much the reverse of the prior point, to succeed you must make yourself their prey because there is literally no real alternative to success. You either play the game or you don't get to make this your "career" and they know it, so they don't have to give a fuck about protecting you.
I guess it boils down to who's to blame for whoring. if a man sleeps with a whore, then gets sad when the whore leaves after she is paid for services rendered, is the man a victim? I'd argue anyone who thinks so has diluted themselves into thinking the whore is anything other than a whore. if the man scorns the whore, and even tries to hurt the whore, it's still the moral thing to protect the whore. the fault lies entirely with the delusional man, as well as the pimps who failed to protect their whores.
we aren't a Muslim society.
Whores provide a service, no matter how degenerate or gross you are getting a product return out of it. Sure its still preying on those same bottom tier men, but they are still getting their service rendered and usually for a pretty low cost relative.
Ethots are literally doing the same thing, but without providing the actual service. They will do everything possible to get out of providing it, in fact getting mad if you even hint at it whatsoever instead of just paying them multiple times the cost out of kindness. So now he doesn't get his nut (and the lowered aggression that brings) and is out ridiculous sums of time and money with nothing to show for it. Its a literal predatory scam like any other scam business, but using pussy as the draw instead of money. And its operating at such a large scale that it will absolutely find many completely unhinged men by default, straight up provoking them into response eventually.
He still should have been detained and possibly arrested, because the law protects anyone (or should), and his lack of impulse control is a danger to anyone. But she deserves nothing beyond that base level protection, because she is a victim of the consequences of her own actions and should be reminded of that fact. You don't get to play into that system and then be mad when the system kicks back. Women have rights, and that means they don't get to shirk responsibility for their protection onto their daddy or pimps when they get involved in nonsense.
objectively incorrect. their service is the stream itself. to think anything else is equivalent to being the delusional man thinking a whore is anything other than a whore.
Almost nobody who is watching a female streamer is doing it for the stream itself, and to say otherwise is playing into their obfuscation game. Perhaps the ones without cams at all can make that claim, but those are fractional amounts.
Whores are whores, and ethots are whores without getting to fuck. Which makes them lower than whores, and strippers even. Their "stream" is just a pretense to get men horny and invested in them, so they will be very loose with their money.
Do you think drag queen story hour is just grown men with a unique hobby trying to volunteer to children?
drag queen story hour is itself a lewd service, offering it to children is wrong on many levels.
twitch streamers offer online companionship as a service. many people, such as yourself it seems, think they are offering sex. they are not. just like dancers at a strip club are not offering sex.
if you think twitch streamer is offering sex, you are either watching a front for prostitution, or (more likely) are delusional.
And "cosplay streams" are not? I think that in itself is far more overtly lewd than drag queen story hours are, though less evil because one is specifically targeting children.
Said nothing of the sort. If they were actually fucking these dudes there might be a different story. What they are offering is sexuality. Their streams are offering either lewd content (titty streamers, cosplayers, work outs, etc) or Girlfriend Experience. Both of these things build up a parasocial bond in these guys heads, because they wouldn't give much money if they didn't, and one that is much more intense than male streamers because of that added sexuality.
The sex is implied, its why all those guys show up. And for every few thousand that don't do anything about it, there will be one who is completely wacko and goes too far. The same way that it happens with all "sex work" and has for all of history. This version just has extra layers of protection due to being digital most of the time to make it 1 out of 4000 instead of 1 in 10 like a regular whore.
And yes, strippers are the pre-internet version of this problem and all of us have probably known or heard about a guy literally destroying his life thinking one of them "loved" him, and similarly guys who did horrific shit because of said obsession. Heck it was so well understood they did a classic South Park episode mocking it.
Though considering you called strippers "dancers" I feel like you and I will never agree on this point, because that's laughable.
I think you're misunderstanding my arguments here. I never said titty streams weren't lewd in nature, I said the stream is the service that they provide, not sex. this was in response to the assertion that streamers do not offer a service, which is patently false as described in my first response.
which is the service being offered
Are you retarded or have you really never heard of the 'hot tub meta', Amouranth and other e-thots doing 'ASMR', or the week when Twitch allowed 'artistic' nudity and had to back it down because the logical thing happened.
Actually yes, do you know how mant of them use them to advertise their onlyfans?
read the thread again, I never even suggested that what they were doing wasn't lewd.
Huge cope. These whores need to get off the internet.
Kind of a microcosm of our whole society -- corrupt, bloated, degenerate institution punishes the only person in the whole story who did the right thing. Especially since it was a masculine thing to do.
Goonbait whore surprised her fans are creeps.
This was at Twitch Con which is raging ego the convention.
Women who stream on twitch should face the death penalty. They're worse than most prostitutes because they target kids not just adults.