I came across an article where the lady who is in charge of the upcoming Supergirl movie said that the character is "too optimistic" and she wants something dark and gritty. I know it is beating a dead horse to ask "Then why don't you make your own stuff if you don't care to research and respect the source material", but this is just a small symptom of a massive problem.
I remember a normie friend calling me a nerdy snob because I refused to watch the Obi-Wan show due to the showrunner saying it was a priority to have Leia in it along with other stuff (I had already cancelled Disney) or I was told I was making a mountain out of a mole hill when I thought it was dumb in the 3rd season of Stranger Things to set up that guy and girl in the ice cream store to be a couple only for her to say she is a lesbian.
Like I said, this is all a symptom of a bigger issue but I do think it is a little sad that this is what I come to expect. Dark and gritty can be good every now and then, but would it kill modern entertainment to make something uplifting and hopeful? I know it may be sappy but I still enjoy watching old episodes of Leave it to Beaver or Little House and seeing the family unit celebrated.
Is it 2005 again already? DC literally just moved away from almost 20 years of that starting with Batman Begins way back in 2005, which ironically hamstringed DC for years while the Nolan trilogy was being finished because DC didn't want Bale's Batman to be the one in planned Justice League material. So while they were still finishing that Marvel was printing money with Phase 1 of the MCU and DC would never catch up to them. Even when DC continued the dark and gritty route with Man of Steel, and eventually finished up with Justice League and giving fans what they wanted with the Snyder cut, the execs already wanted to reboot the trinity yet again because none of them have any idea what they are doing so they flip flop between thr same failed ideas or try to copy others who managed to capture lightning in a bottle by being first.
Dark and gritty or deconstructed characters can work once every now and then but they love to do this and it’s been done to death. I’ve read The Boys comic and Watchmen which I enjoyed but haven’t seen the show or watchmen show. Just the movie. I’m so tired of deconstruction. At this point I want to see a brave knight save the princess
You mean 1985? The "Dark and Gritty" age goes back as early as "The Killing Joke".
They've literally never moved on.
Optimism is counter-cultural.
Dark and gritty can work when it’s not done to death. I enjoy some dark and gritty stories
It's also good when it's done intelligently, but all of these things are well outside the competency of most comic book writers.
Going to want a source on this. As far as I could tell, it was always Nolan's intention for the Dark Knight trilogy to be self-contained in its own world, hence why there are no fantastical elements such as superpowers. And to be honest, regardless of what they wanted, it was the wrong move.
After TDK, they should have told Nolan that what Marvel was doing would be the future of the film industry and that he'd get to make the third part of his trilogy if he played ball and got Bale to agree to ~10 appearances in Justice League themed movies, pairing him up with Brandon Routh's Superman.
Movies used to be so good that a movie at the quality level of Superman Returns could be considered bad.
Bale mentioned in an interview that DC did not contact him for BvS, and he was a bit miffed about it.
So I can't imagine they had plans to use Bale if they didn't contact him about it.
Very few people making licensed adaptations actually are adapting that work.
The "directors" are making their own work and then using the IP to get funding for it from the company, because nobody would give 500$ million for their "original screenplay" due to the giant risk. But Supergirl has brand value, so it makes them much more willing to give the funding.
That's before you get into the dozen of woke reasons they defile these properties, its an inherent issue with the system, where we the consumers are not part of the equation. Its just an "Artist" trying to game someone into paying them to make their "art" without a care if anyone cares to buy it.
And its the modern era, so "dark, depressing, and relatable real world issues" is basically all these perpetual teenagers can manage.
There’s an unholy union between the rapacious executive class and the leftist ideologues who have flooded everything via captured HR departments and affirmative action.
The money men want infinite growth. They are obsessed with untapped markets. The biggest untapped market for any product are people who don’t like or need the product. The best way to “tap” that market is to turn your product into something completely different, often times even something antithetical to itself.
Feminists are Johnny on the spot. They offer promises of huge untapped markets - the mythical modern audience - and the recipe to capture that money is always the same: put a chick in it, and make her lame and gay. Brand loyalty will carry sales among the established audience. The bigger the IP, the more guaranteed sales, the greater you can diverge from the original to seek out new markets.
And if the old fans complain because you purchased their favorite stuff and deliberately destroyed it, just brand those “traitors” as Nazis. Your leftist fellow travelers in media will gladly promote your smears for free. Those fans deserve it for turning their backs on the franchise. You spent $4 billion for those fans.
Yes Especially women and left leaning men (but I repeat myself) who use existing IP as a skin suit for their own ideas.
It's what LEGO discovered. When boys play with action figures, they embody the character. Every boy playing with a batman action figure is doing their best to reenact Batman as they've seen him depicted in official media. When girls play batman in the other hand, they inject their own values and fears and attributes into batman, so it's no longer batman at all. It's them, but with batman aesthetics.
This is why women and libs ruin everything, all IP they get their hands on. We basically turn on their films or games and see a shitlib dressed up like our favorite character, doing shitlib things for 90 minutes.
So true. I find it funny how I can watch some B movie on Tubi from the 80s or 90s and I think it’s great due to the simple fact that women are feminine, no lectures, or no diversity obsession.
I've been rewatching a lot of recent older films, and it really is a breath of fresh air not having the women be girlbosses.
Even schlock like The Core from 2003 had Hilary Swank in a very minimalist support role, despite having top billing alongside Aaron Eckhart. Surprisingly enough, she wasn't out-speaking or out-sciencing the men in that movie -- the three smart characters did all the brainstorming and came up with the contingency plans; she was just the co-pilot.
Well there is plenty of old stuff. Heck, when I was a kid you still had shows with uplifting messaging. I feel bad for kids growing up now with constant race, gay, and feminism being pushed
There is still so much anime out there for me to explore. Manga too.
There are MOUNTAINS of really good anime that are utterly wholesome, uplifting and entertaining too!
Happy Sugar Life NO! I lie, it's dark and gritty. REAL darkness, REAL grit! It's also one of the best stories I've seen in ages. It shoves the brutality right in your face, but you'll care for the MC girl so much by the end. Probably.
Over The Moon For You It's SO pure! Wholesome, funny and fun to watch. 2 seasons and some specials, it's terrific.
Miss Komi Cannot Communicate is heartwarming, meaningful and often touching in its depiction of school life for a boy & girl who happen to meet one day. The side characters are full of fun too! Miss Komi cannot be more adorable.
Bocchi The Rock! 8.75 rate = massive hit! And worth every accolade. You come to know Bocchi & her friends so well & their ordinary lives are woven into your heart!
Quick hits: They may not be "for everyone" for various reasons.
One Week Friends A girl who only remembers things until Sunday, then the last week is gone. After 1 full year she can remember, so how will this boy make her his girlfriend? Why is she like that? A little slow at times, kind of 'obvious' now and then. But wholesome & heartwarming with a fantastic conclusion.
My Tiny Sempai An office comedy-romance. Nothing spectacular but it's wholesome & very funny.
Akebi's Sailor Uniform Akebi's an unusual girl, and the story of her first year of high school is far from 'normal'! With a solid family backing her, she lives her dream & makes so many friends! Wholesome, but it delves into various "fetishes" these girls have in a non-ecchi way. Yuri undertones and amazing art!
I got more, but gotta go!
Do It Yourself! was surprisingly funny. Very heartwarming stuff.
Helpful Foxgirl Senko-san is legendary for wholesomeness! And has some plot too.
Both have some romance 'undertones' but that's just some yummy strawberries on the cake!
Sometimes even in those older shows you'll see the proto-woke agenda. The heat is just at a lower level, preparing for the inevitable full on woke takeover.
I end up watching a lot of Hallmark channel, I'm my mom's caretaker and their movies are a good gauge in the zeitgeist. They were just advertising a movie about faggots a few weeks ago. Do women really want to see faggots?
Hallmark decided to add that a few years back. Not often but they have it. Great American Family channel doesn’t have it at all and is a Christian themed channel. I’ll pray for your mom
Thanks, my mom is pretty good just some aphasia and comprehension stuff.
Unfortunately, yes...
https://youtu.be/3--0Q3QrFZE?t=80
Also look at the top queries on the chart at the timestamp....
https://youtu.be/3--0Q3QrFZE?t=160
If a lady is in charge of the upcoming Supergirl movie, then you know it's going to be a feminist hatchet job.
Clearly, they don't want modern audiences to have any hope. Rather beat them down with relentless negativity and degeneracy.
Anything made after, say, 2005, is automatically suspect in my book.
My general rule of thumb is to avoid stuff made after 2014 since that was when I started noticing things. I made an exception for Yellowstone and its spinoffs
If you look at games released, it seems to have been around 2009/2010 that things started to go sideways.
Still waiting on a Nicholas Cage Superman fighting a gigantic robot spider.
Hey a guy can hope, can't he?
Definitely would’ve been an interesting take on Superman