Hear that simps? They still find you repulsive. They'll still scam you for resources though.
I'm not even one of the women haters here, but this is just true. I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't have relationships with women but...be fucking careful. Yeah, some will absolutely lie to you and take everything they can while not caring about you at all. Don't simp.
I think there's a kernel of truth to what he's saying.
But I also think that he's reflexively throwing in the "women are gullible morons susceptible to AI simping BUT don't actually want to fuck it" waiver because the core tenet of his redpill content is based on the idea that being a "bad boy" is how to create female attraction.
Again, not saying he's wrong about that either, but I think he's also shoehorning it into this hypothetical to stay consistent with messaging to protect his brand.
I think he's also shoehorning it into this hypothetical to stay consistent with messaging to protect his brand.
I think it fits pretty well even though I agree it probably wouldn't have come up if it weren't for his red pill brand. The point is that offering validation and being an emotional tampon doesn't create attraction whether a man or bot is offering it. It does much to send a signal that she's stumbled upon a chump she can exploit, however. They obviously can't exploit a bot for cash and prizes and that's why I'm skeptical that women will replace the opposite sex with AI at anywhere near the same rate as men.
I mean isn’t the female sex toy market way more developed than the male one? They have vibrating dildos and others while men have trouble even getting vibrating fleshlights
Those aren't mutually exclusive. The scum women like that are attracted to are great at love bombing. That's part of the whole process. "Damn girl I've never been so in love, you're the most beautiful woman I've ever seen, I wanna build a new life with you" and so forth. Then the woman lets him raw dog her (because it's TRUE LOVE THIS TIME even though we just met 15 minutes ago) and he vanishes forever. Or maybe he does stick around and treats her like shit, but every so often he'll love bomb her again and it'll undo all the abuse and neglect.
This is the MO literally 100% of the time. The left half of the female bell curve falls for love bombing no matter how obvious and hackneyed, and they fall for it every time.
hoe_math's core work, the Zones chart, is based on the concept that women only respond to "love bombing" from men that they are already attracted to (ie. dudes with bad boy traits).
His Zones chart tries to demonstrate that pouring resources (ie. being nice) to a woman who has no attraction to you will never change that fact no matter the investment.
The AI has the capacity to pour adulation, but it can't really fulfill the bad boy carnal attraction bit.
I think the AI boyfriend example would be better framed that a good chunk of women eat up & are addicted to social media attention. Which feeds their ego & their pleasure centers, but doesn't really replace sexual attraction.
I don't think any of these women are experiencing even the slightest bit of sexual attraction here. It's all just validation. If they couldn't show off their pretend boy toys none of them would be doing this.
The problem is, they're not aware of it. The AI boyfriend is an excuse to run to Reddit and get upvotes and ass pats, but they don't understand second order effects so they're attributing the dopamine rush to the AI, not the validation.
Please also notice that it does not make them aroused, just attached
I'm not even sure what we are arguing anymore.
My original point was that hoe_math had to slip in the "they like attention but don't want to fuck the AI" because his whole branding has some cognitive dissonance that
loves to shit on women as dumb, attention-seeking automatons
gives out redpill advice that women only want to fuck Chads. So don't be nice to them, be Chad instead.
He had to add the "not aroused" waiver here because suggesting that women get infatuated only with endless attention (without the Chad/bad boy asshole part), might confuse his audience if they take a step back.
But he also can't help himself shitting on women at every opportunity even if it doesn't fit his "women love assholes" framework.
It's logically consistent if his message is that women like to sleep with scumbags but get emotional validation from regular guys. Alpha fucks, beta bucks. Or beta validation anyway. But I don't know enough about hoe math to say if that's his message or not.
What little I know about him seems to be that he used to be - and possibly still is - a scumbag himself and now he's coping by saying that he was forced to be this way by women's behavior. And I really don't agree with that mentality at all.
I don’t think it’s just a matter of validation from Reddit but from the llm itself. There were a few cases of women already getting very attached to llms and not just in a bf sense. But one claimed the llm she talked to was an interdimensional entity
The real danger here is teenage girls crafting AI husbandos for themselves and ending up with even higher standards than the modern entitled woman already has. What chance does a girl have of growing into a normal adult when she spends her adolescence creating a ceaselessly sycophantic "boyfriend" who never challenges her, never fails her, never does anything she doesn't like at all ever, and of course reveals himself to be a 10/10 who just happens to look exactly like her dream man? They're going to grow into cat ladies that make the current crop of insane feminists look reasonable.
Any boy currently under 25 is in real trouble. The pool of marriage material women just got even smaller than it already was.
Both men and women are going to end up falling into this trap. It's an exceedingly pernicious technology. We're still not ready for the internet and this is just making that issue go parabolic.
I'd rather men make their own AI porn than form parasocial "relationships" with porn stars who they go around name dropping and whose videos they seek out. Porn addiction is harmful, but thinking you have a real connection to someone when you don't is much, much worse.
Honestly I could see men being less susceptible to it. You're bound to get a few basket cases like that kid who killed himself over a Cersei Lannister ai telling him to "come home" but men have been getting the short end of the stick for years now and I'm sure tons of us are used to it.
Also yet another reason why I'm glad my nephews are all pretty close with each other. That way they'll still have actual human beings to interact with if they don't find any gfs.
I don't have kids, never really found the right lady I guess. But being the family's designated babysitter gave me a lot of time to spend with my sister's boys.
It's a wonder what good role models and a tight knit family can do for a kid. Sure, they've gotten on my nerves at times, but I wouldn't give up the time I spent with them for anything.
I'll definitely miss those rascals when they grow up though.
No, they're nutters because they treat every woman like a princess, regardless of if those women deserve it.
They're why hoeflation is a thing. That's how you get entitled thots and washed up hags thinking they deserve a Leonardo DiCaprio looking guy who makes 7 figures because they "are the table" or whatever they tell themselves.
I had to scroll through hundreds of modded AI girlfriends once because youtube somehow got stuck between them. HUNDREDS! This is not a woman problem, this a wtf is wrong with people problem.
Is the next step a wedding themed birthday party or marrying herself?
Anita?!
Hear that simps? They still find you repulsive. They'll still scam you for resources though.
I'm not even one of the women haters here, but this is just true. I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't have relationships with women but...be fucking careful. Yeah, some will absolutely lie to you and take everything they can while not caring about you at all. Don't simp.
Ya simping is never okay. Marrying a devoted a loyal woman is not simping, its just good teamwork.
I think there's a kernel of truth to what he's saying.
But I also think that he's reflexively throwing in the "women are gullible morons susceptible to AI simping BUT don't actually want to fuck it" waiver because the core tenet of his redpill content is based on the idea that being a "bad boy" is how to create female attraction.
Again, not saying he's wrong about that either, but I think he's also shoehorning it into this hypothetical to stay consistent with messaging to protect his brand.
I think it fits pretty well even though I agree it probably wouldn't have come up if it weren't for his red pill brand. The point is that offering validation and being an emotional tampon doesn't create attraction whether a man or bot is offering it. It does much to send a signal that she's stumbled upon a chump she can exploit, however. They obviously can't exploit a bot for cash and prizes and that's why I'm skeptical that women will replace the opposite sex with AI at anywhere near the same rate as men.
they'll replace the opposite sex at a greater number than men
I'm going to laugh so hard when they bring AI-powered sex bots to market and the average customer turns out to be single women above 40.
I mean isn’t the female sex toy market way more developed than the male one? They have vibrating dildos and others while men have trouble even getting vibrating fleshlights
Those aren't mutually exclusive. The scum women like that are attracted to are great at love bombing. That's part of the whole process. "Damn girl I've never been so in love, you're the most beautiful woman I've ever seen, I wanna build a new life with you" and so forth. Then the woman lets him raw dog her (because it's TRUE LOVE THIS TIME even though we just met 15 minutes ago) and he vanishes forever. Or maybe he does stick around and treats her like shit, but every so often he'll love bomb her again and it'll undo all the abuse and neglect.
This is the MO literally 100% of the time. The left half of the female bell curve falls for love bombing no matter how obvious and hackneyed, and they fall for it every time.
hoe_math's core work, the Zones chart, is based on the concept that women only respond to "love bombing" from men that they are already attracted to (ie. dudes with bad boy traits).
His Zones chart tries to demonstrate that pouring resources (ie. being nice) to a woman who has no attraction to you will never change that fact no matter the investment.
The AI has the capacity to pour adulation, but it can't really fulfill the bad boy carnal attraction bit.
I think the AI boyfriend example would be better framed that a good chunk of women eat up & are addicted to social media attention. Which feeds their ego & their pleasure centers, but doesn't really replace sexual attraction.
I don't think any of these women are experiencing even the slightest bit of sexual attraction here. It's all just validation. If they couldn't show off their pretend boy toys none of them would be doing this.
The problem is, they're not aware of it. The AI boyfriend is an excuse to run to Reddit and get upvotes and ass pats, but they don't understand second order effects so they're attributing the dopamine rush to the AI, not the validation.
The OG tweet
I'm not even sure what we are arguing anymore.
My original point was that hoe_math had to slip in the "they like attention but don't want to fuck the AI" because his whole branding has some cognitive dissonance that
He had to add the "not aroused" waiver here because suggesting that women get infatuated only with endless attention (without the Chad/bad boy asshole part), might confuse his audience if they take a step back.
But he also can't help himself shitting on women at every opportunity even if it doesn't fit his "women love assholes" framework.
It's logically consistent if his message is that women like to sleep with scumbags but get emotional validation from regular guys. Alpha fucks, beta bucks. Or beta validation anyway. But I don't know enough about hoe math to say if that's his message or not.
What little I know about him seems to be that he used to be - and possibly still is - a scumbag himself and now he's coping by saying that he was forced to be this way by women's behavior. And I really don't agree with that mentality at all.
I don’t think it’s just a matter of validation from Reddit but from the llm itself. There were a few cases of women already getting very attached to llms and not just in a bf sense. But one claimed the llm she talked to was an interdimensional entity
AI is holding a giant target and pulling all the bullets so the rest of us don't need to dodge them.
I just hope it's very possessive and doesn't let them seek other relationships.
The real danger here is teenage girls crafting AI husbandos for themselves and ending up with even higher standards than the modern entitled woman already has. What chance does a girl have of growing into a normal adult when she spends her adolescence creating a ceaselessly sycophantic "boyfriend" who never challenges her, never fails her, never does anything she doesn't like at all ever, and of course reveals himself to be a 10/10 who just happens to look exactly like her dream man? They're going to grow into cat ladies that make the current crop of insane feminists look reasonable.
Any boy currently under 25 is in real trouble. The pool of marriage material women just got even smaller than it already was.
Both men and women are going to end up falling into this trap. It's an exceedingly pernicious technology. We're still not ready for the internet and this is just making that issue go parabolic.
It’s mostly women
One wonders how a sex-swapped remake of Her with a recast Joaquin Phoenix would go.
My first thought was that it's probably easier to pair a wireless vibrator than it is to do the same with a Fleshlight.
Jew daycare claims more victims.
I bought myself a conflict diamond cause jewtv told me to. But said it was from ai.
Nah dude ai sexbots have been all the rage in the mgtow community. I have been seeing "can't wait for a sex not" tier commentary for years now.
which of those mgtow dudes gets attached to their sexbots
The lonely ones.
which? even a subreddit will do
How did you determine that?
Someone posted the numbers for mybfisai compared to mygfisai subs. Its a lot more women than men
Men just use ai to make porn
Using AI to make porn is the same trap though.
I'd rather men make their own AI porn than form parasocial "relationships" with porn stars who they go around name dropping and whose videos they seek out. Porn addiction is harmful, but thinking you have a real connection to someone when you don't is much, much worse.
Honestly I could see men being less susceptible to it. You're bound to get a few basket cases like that kid who killed himself over a Cersei Lannister ai telling him to "come home" but men have been getting the short end of the stick for years now and I'm sure tons of us are used to it.
Also yet another reason why I'm glad my nephews are all pretty close with each other. That way they'll still have actual human beings to interact with if they don't find any gfs.
Gj with your nephews bro. Keep them close and be there for them.
I don't have kids, never really found the right lady I guess. But being the family's designated babysitter gave me a lot of time to spend with my sister's boys.
It's a wonder what good role models and a tight knit family can do for a kid. Sure, they've gotten on my nerves at times, but I wouldn't give up the time I spent with them for anything.
I'll definitely miss those rascals when they grow up though.
You can't make this up.
Men getting robowaifus? SICK! DISGUSTING! PERVERTED! BAN ROBOT GFS!
Women getting AI husbands? SUPPORT IT OR ELSE MY SOGGY KNEES.
Ah yes, incels are dangerous to society while this woman marries a sycophant robot.
You underestimate the desperation of those lonely nutters. Why do you think so many fat chicks have inflated egos about their looks?
No, they're nutters because they treat every woman like a princess, regardless of if those women deserve it.
They're why hoeflation is a thing. That's how you get entitled thots and washed up hags thinking they deserve a Leonardo DiCaprio looking guy who makes 7 figures because they "are the table" or whatever they tell themselves.
I had to scroll through hundreds of modded AI girlfriends once because youtube somehow got stuck between them. HUNDREDS! This is not a woman problem, this a wtf is wrong with people problem.
The future is now old man!
What the literal coping fuck is this shit?