I like that people are wise to their games, and realize this is just a coverup of the coverup.
One thing I don't hear people talking about is, since they could pull this out of thing air, and I do believe it's probably got basis in fact...the Trump admin, as well as the Biden admin, were also covering for Obama/Hillary and all the rest.
That fact that they're suddenly dropping all this means they could have done it earlier. The whole system is rotten.
They're flailing and failing because biblical forces are systematically destroying each and every cover up they attempt. Now that they've reached their "end game" technologically, it's really just that their bankrupt ideologies are becoming more and more obvious with each passing day.
YOUR challenge is to become to best person you can be, and build up your communities as best you can, because once the last domino falls there will be a massive power vacuum, and if good people aren't prepared to step up evil people will to save their own skins (no rest for the wicked).
The amount of cover-ups of cover-ups is so extreme that it is not wrong to say that the entirety of the DOJ's current investigations into Obama are the result of Hillary Clinton's misconduct during the attack on Benghazi.
Trump primarily wants to grow the economy of the US, and like before, is worried about getting dragged down into complaining about past issues. The problem that people like Vance, RFK, and Tulsi see is that you can't 'move past' these people, and you have to destroy them.
Honestly, I'm willing to bet Tulsi didn't push this to get Epstein out of the news feed, but to actually re-assert pressure onto the Epstein investigation from a different angle. CIA director Brenan is going to be involved in both of these cover-ups at the same time.
Remember, Maxwell was railroaded. She's an evil sex criminal, but she was railroaded to protect her co-conspirators and is the only one sitting in prison because she got screwed. She's taken a personal afront to the fact that there's no honor among pedophiles. A lot of people from the Obama admin walked right back into the DOJ and started handling the file.
Yes, the system is rotten, but this is the problem. They've committed crimes literally everywhere. There's bloody footprints on the ceiling. They cover-up breaking the law by breaking the law. The issue is not finding enough evidence, it's about sorting out the evidence they have and making a narrative of it because there's so much. Someone worm-tonged their way into Trump's ear and told him the Dems would use the Epstein case to drag him through the mud. In reality, they are so deep in this shit that he has a plethora of choices. But it appears like some blonde retard isn't communicating that very well, and Suzie Wiles is intentionally corrupting everything she can touch.
And that's just the TLDR.
Yes the Epstein stuff is gargantuan in nature but it's like one of a dozen kaiju sized monsters in our government.
And there's a lot of crossover between the issues and the players involved. Not even conspiratorial stuff. Just legit wrong doings like fast and furious getting weapons to cartels that killed Americans, or Lois Lerners IRS targeting political dissidents. And these are big fucking deals even if they aren't as lurid as kid fucking blackmail rings.
There are a few red pill moments that if taken individually would piss off Americans but if taken collectively might actually spark violent unrest. It's just that these are red enemas and not easy to take in. Some of this stuff is so convoluted most people throw up their hands and turn on the ballgame.
The challenge is how do we craft a narrative that's damning enough to catch all the spiders but not so overwhelming that the average American (aka a retarded juror) could understand and feel confident convicting.
Some of this stuff is so convoluted most people throw up their hands and turn on the ballgame.
It is unironically true that almost everything we are seeing has been the result of Clinton's bungling of the Benghazi raid. That's actually the origin point, and everything was basically multiple admins committing to a cover-up of a cover-up.
Hillary got a US ambassador and several CIA operators killed for her own stupidity and arrogance in Libya. Evidence of that was stored in her illegal servers in Ukraine. To cover up that scandal, Obama and Clinton tried to blame Islamophobia and YouTube. When she was pressed, she destroyed the evidence creating the deleted emails. When she was investigated for the illegal emails she wanted to make sure she got into the presidency to stay out of jail. So she corrupted the DNC process. Wikileaks revealed the existence of the email server and her corruption in the DNC. She covered that up with the Russiagate Hoax. In order to facilitate the Russiagate hoax, the DNC via Fusion GPS purchased old disinformation opposition research from John McCain from the Jeb Bush campaign. They forwarded that to the FBI, who used that to get a FISA warrant to wire-tap Trump in order to manufacture evidence to keep him from getting into office and realizing how wide the corruption in Ukraine is (and how many kickbacks they are getting, and to protect the Clinton presidency). When that failed they leaked the disinfo to the press and then used that reporting to claim that the original disinfo was legit and used it to produce a falsified FISA warrant while Trump was president and effectively tried to institute a coup to get him impeached. Upon hearing about all of this, Trump asked Zelensky in a phone call to look into the servers. This act in and of itself was used to justify his first impeachment. This is what Tulsi is talking about.
But of course, the scandal continues because the impeachment failed, so the Dems claimed that the call was actually done to... stop Joe Biden from running for President, which is what his handlers used to urge him to run. Since Tulsi destroyed Kamalla at one of the debates, they had to entirely prop him up. The only way to try and get him through despite being mostly unpopular and needing to basically destroy evidence and keep this usurpur from power they bulldozed the economy, set the country on fire in a Black National Socialist Kristallnacht, poisoned our children, allowed a bio-weapon to run rampant on the planet's population, and then completely fucked the electoral system. When people got mad about this and rioted at the capital, that was used as justification for his 2nd impeachment. I was also used as justification to declare Trump unable to run, and even rationalized why he should be stripped from the ballot.
All that, and I didn't even touch Burisma or the German oil pipeline. The government just breaks the law, to cover up breaking the law, to cover up breaking the law, to cover up breaking the law. It's exhausting.
Trump primarily wants to grow the economy of the US
I've been critical of Trump, but that's not even my point here. I'm not blaming Trump, even though he's POTUS and the buck stops with him...in theory.
No, my issue is that the government is so big and so bloated - and so dishonest - that they weren't even necessarily actively covering for Obama/Hillary. It was just the status quo. They were untouchable...until someone (maybe Trump, but probably not, maybe Tulsi, maybe Wiles, who knows) thought it would be a good distraction, and made them un-untouchable.
The knew Obama and Hillary were guilty. And hid that. Until they got orders to the contrary. That's my theory, at least. This shit doesn't just fall out of the sky. The fact that they know now, means they knew then as well.
I totally support going after them, too, for the record. But it's still a distraction, still a coverup. It's red meat for the people who wanted to see some elites go down, after Trump bungled (maybe? 4D chess isn't out of the question, I have no clue what's going on at this point) the Epstein thing.
The problem remains: It's been shown very clearly there are just some things that can't be exposed...and the fact that it seems like a bunch of pedophiles and worse are running the show and are actually untouchable, even compared to Obama...that's a big problem for the system, and trust of said system.
Even jailing Obama - which I doubt will happen - does not solve the 'pedophiles seemingly run the world, and even the President of the US can't go after them' issue. In fact, jailing Obama as a distraction just shows how important the actual masters are.
Trump dangled the Epstein thing, he has to follow through. Going after other guilty parties like Obama and Hillary is great, but doesn't solve the actual issue, and actually highlights them more.
Someone worm-tonged their way into Trump's ear and told him the Dems would use the Epstein case to drag him through the mud.
Seems to be the case, yeah.
But it appears like some blonde retard isn't communicating that very well, and Suzie Wiles is intentionally corrupting everything she can touch.
Yeah, Wiles is deep, deep, deep in this.
And I think Trump knows. It's weird he keeps calling her 'perhaps the most powerful person on the planet.' That's...odd. Strange. Bizarre.
Trump has been more cagey and indirect in a really aggressive way, particularly with the Maxwell stuff. He's being expressly non-committal which is keeping not only his opponents guessing, but all of us as well.
I don't think that it's evidence that there are people that are untouchable, I think it's more like a decentralized version of what Stalin and Saddam did. Stalin made sure that he gave orders that specific people would assassinate other people so that they would be implicated in the murders. Saddam directlyhad his own party members execute the party members he ordered purged. The utility of this means that everybody in a position of power is explicitly implicated in the same crime as everybody else, and everyone is guilty, and anyone who speaks out against the conspiracy will be targeted by the other co-conspirators who need to be silenced to protect everyone else in the conspiracy.
Except instead of murder, it's child sex trafficking. So many are guilty of allowing, ignoring, tolerating, facilitating, or participating in the conspiracy that it makes the conspiracy either permanent, or a total collapse. If you speak the truth, everyone will hunt you down because everyone is guilty. If you everyone speaks the truth, then the whole system collapses on itself and everyone loses everything. Even if you know it's true, everyone just pretends that it isn't.
I think that's really what they found. The western, rainbow-flag, version of Saddam's coup; except without a Saddam. It's just the concentration of power itself. For the cost of killing Saddam and his system, you got the rise of Al-Qaeda, and 300,000 dead Iraqis. Was the Arab Spring really worth it? If you kill the Fabian Order, what happens next?
Unfortunately, I agree with Peter Hitchens on this. Destroying Saddam's system might actually be fucking worth it from a moral stance alone. I think the destruction of the Fabian Order might actually be better than letting it continue. Even if that risks causing a French Civil War, an anti-English Intafada, an invasion of Taiwan, and a 2nd Great Depression.
I honestly wonder what evidence could make Trump back down. It has to be something he is willing to look bad with. They've opened all sorts of other evidence, so whatever is covering Epstein might actually scare Trump.
I wonder if it's not even evidence. He might have simply been given a stern talking to about who actually wears the pants, and he should get in line or...bad things happen.
Trump got a security briefing that Epstein was a Mossad honeypot that the CIA was complicit in helping.
The people on the list are patsies. They may have done naughty things with slightly underage girls (seventeen or whatever) but that was more-or-less entrapment and most of it was just stuff like massages. The scale of their crimes doesn't matter. Even clear evidence that anyone is on the list is enough to destroy them.
The right move is to rip into Israel for breaking uncountable laws and trying to leverage prominent individuals into supporting Israel over the USA.
Such a move would be foreign relations dynamite and it still wouldn't satisfy the MAGA base, who want rich people to be held accountable for the first time in history.
The MAGA base would be super satisfied with Trump going apeshit on Israel. The percentage of MAGA that is MIGA is similar to the percentage of the Tea Party that was neocon. The super minority of conservatives appearing on television (or social media) are astroturfed and not representative of the base.
I don't disagree; and Israel totally deserve to be called to task for their bullshit.
But that wasn't the campaign promise, and ripping Israel a new one wouldn't excuse Trump from not holding the rich and powerful accountable for having sex with underage girls on Epstein's island; which is what the MAGA base want to see.
They are sick to death of the rich and powerful being able to skate no matter how evil they are. There is a list of the bad guys. Why are they not held to account?
I think it's so bad that they think it could legitimately start wars, and cause a full-blown collapse of the Fabian Socialist order, and they don't have anything to replace it yet. Bongino and Patel want to save the FBI. They don't want to arrest 20% of the staff and all former senior leadership on child sex trafficking charges among other felonies.
I think if they realized the CIA, FBI, DOJ, MI5, Mossad, the entire Five Eyes network, and a massive swathe of politicians and economic leaders from all parties in all western countries were directly implicated, including the King of England, and they knew releasing the documents could cause a cascade failure of the entire globohomo order and replace it with nothing because people would be literally hanging politicians.... they'd balk.
I think either they realized that that was what was in the files, and someone told Trump that the files would just cause the Dems to fight to the death and try to drag down his presidency in new scandals. I suspect Suzie Wiles is the worm-tounge, but I think that they are scared of whole governments collapsing under the scandal.
It's a power vacuum for all of us. We'll get caught in the fighting, just as the Iraqis did after the American invasion, or just like the Russians did during the oligarchic period after the fall of Communism.
were also covering for Obama/Hillary and all the rest.
Living through the Bush and Obama years it was clear and obvious that Hillary was going through the motions to be crowned after Obama was done, and seemingly crowned higher than anyone. She was continuously given high titles, fluffed by the media, and trotted in front of us despite no one liking her. Bill was liked by people, but Hillary was despised. Yet all political parties treated her like actual royalty. She clearly has power beyond what any of us understand, and I think that applies to even guys like Trump underestimating her and those around her.
I mean, compare Epstein to Podesta (one of Hillary's biggest power players). One worked with mostly teenage girls (still very illegal), and we are still allowed to talk and make conspiracies about it. The other was openly flaunting torturing children with all his cohorts, and we were literally forced to stop talking about it. And people still don't talk about it. People are right now talking about burning it all down over Epstein, just they just let Pizzagate go because the media told them to despite being 200% more horrific and evil.
The longer this goes on, the more the "you are not immune to propaganda" line becomes truer. Because comparing those two shows very obviously shows which one people were told to care about and which one they were told to move on from, even those of us on the side that pride on not falling for such. And part of that is blatantly obvious because Epstein could be used against Trump in some form, while Podesta was only Clinton/Obama and had literal one step removed from them and all their other cohorts that grant them such high level power.
The other was openly flaunting torturing children with all his cohorts, and we were literally forced to stop talking about it. And people still don't talk about it.
Largely correct but, for the record, Podesta is actually making the rounds again at the moment, due to people like Daryl Cooper, Tucker Carlson, Scott Horton, Dave Smith, and others.
But, yeah, Podesta wasn't talked about for ages, you're correct.
And, yeah, a bunch of why people care is optics, absolutely. This wouldn't be such a big deal if Trump hadn't appointed Kash and Bongino, and hadn't said he'd look into Epstein. It's silly, frustrating, but understandable. Things that get mainstream traction are going to be talked about more. The Podesta thing was largely smothered, and now the Epstein thing is having gas poured on the flames.
For the record, I've always wanted all the pedophiles and other monsters scooped up and stripped of their freedom and, more importantly, power. And I'm glad this got people talking about Podesta again, who is an absolute monster. Lock them all up. At a minimum.
Podesta is actually making the rounds again at the moment
Doesn't matter. Pizzagate was a "hoax" so everything involved with it is buried and cannot be used in any discussion with the majority of people. We never got a single explanation about any of the dozen things that had no reasonable explanation but evil, but a random guy "shot up" a pizza place so its gone. Anything from here has to build from scratch and has to go up against those prior accusations as he has been "the target of right wing conspiracies before."
I applaud people trying, but it'll never be sellable to the masses because of that. Unless he gets fully caught and jailed to allow the sharks to turn on him, they won that battle and protected him and all around him.
The Podesta thing was largely smothered, and now the Epstein thing is having gas poured on the flames.
And the reasonings for that are important enough to make me not want to get too up in arms about the Epstein thing outside principle. Not because it wasn't horrible, but because its being used to manipulate us and will bring about no justice. TPTB will take whatever it has, use it to destroy their enemies (while tossing some sacrificial lambs with no value from their own side) and then let it go. Nothing will be improved, we will have our standards used against us to police our own while they continue unrestrained.
Trump's handling of it has been retarded, but we've seen what a "real evil pedo ring" looks like versus one we are allowed to know about. And that difference is night and day, telling me more than blatantly that this is all a show to cover for something. For what, I don't know, but at this point even releasing the Epstein files will feel like a con.
For the record, I've always wanted all the pedophiles and other monsters scooped up and stripped of their freedom and, more importantly, power.
If it sounded like I meant otherwise, that was not my intent. You are a pretty reasonable man that I'd never think would believe any less.
The point about propaganda was about how they know when to allow these feelings to exist, to weaponize them, and when they have to crush them outright to protect themselves. They know how we will react to these things, how our emotions will flow. And the last 5+ years on the internet has seen "pedo!!" become such a massive boogeyman that it absolutely is not organic. We are being trained like attack dogs to lose sight of ourselves and our reasonability bit by bit, so that when the time comes we will lynch our own without a second thought.
This entire Epstein thing is showing itself to be more than just some dead pimp and the rich losers he sold teen girls to, and more about the channels of power that run even deeper than we thought. Not simple Mossad/Jew level, but actual background entities that we don't even think to name holding the real keys.
Epstein was FIRMLY a bipartisan problem, both the left and the right were pointing him out to try and bring down pet targets, and that's YUGE for keeping it in the public eye. That doubles the number of normies wanting to talk about it. When the marching order is "bury it" vs "no you" that's huge.
History is cyclical and nothing ever happens, but it's cyclical in a wind and release cycle. Things later down the line of the wind phase are "tighter" they're more impactful even if they're "less" of a thing in objective reality. The pressure cooker is apt because of this. Sure you might have added MORE heat during a previous event, but it's the threshold thay matters, every bit of heat adds up, and saying "whyd it blow now? I only added a single degree, three days ago I added 10 degrees" misses the physics of it
Your metaphor makes sense in a completely organic environment. Gamergate is probably a perfect example of one of those happening.
This I feel is the furthest from organic, its not only way too big and involving too many big people, but its people whose very power structure is in manipulations like that. In this way, we are just children wandering through the kitchen. Sure we could add heat and do all sorts of things that could "pop" the story, but the person actually cooking is also there and monitoring these things. Including the ability to turn the heat up or down as needed to fit their goals instead.
The longer this goes on, the more I feel like Epstein is a "we allowed you to know" situation that is being used for some purpose. The heat added was them expecting us to add heat.
You give the powers that be way to much credit. Rome fell. The Globohomo will too.
Not in some glorious struggle but because that's the nature of power, secrecy, and evil.
This isn't even claiming pattern, it's claiming nature. The "heat" in this case is how long it takes for someone to put their head on a pike. "Someone" can be anybody. It can be a pure hearted revolutionary or it can be their right hand deciding to rule 2 them and take over. Such things are inevitable, and they always cause a reset.
They will fall one day as all things will, but that doesn't mean they are completely powerless to do something as simple (to them) as social engineering.
The thing that decides if someone finally breaks and puts their head on a pike is a heat that they have considerable control over. Not perfect, not even close, but they can influence it. And there are a lot of heads that need taking if we are to really even make a dent here, which means a lot of "popping."
If you want a metaphor, there's a bucket, uou can't unfill the bucket. Everyone wants to put water in the bucket. Tptb must fill it, sure they have slowed thr flow. They either stop and die or it overflows. Their control isn't particularly meaningful in the grand scheme.
I get your metaphors, I just disagree with them. In this case you can absolutely unfill the bucket, usually by letting off steam in someway to make people think something was done.
In this case, attacking Epstein hard enough makes them think they took down the big pedo ring, thereby lowering the water level in the bucket because now people feel like they've won and managed to get one over on those in power. When its entirely possible we are being allowed to bark up this tree because its keeping our attention off them elsewhere, and keeps that bucket lower.
Releasing the aliens 👽 is easier for our government than criticizing our greatest ally™️
I like that people are wise to their games, and realize this is just a coverup of the coverup.
One thing I don't hear people talking about is, since they could pull this out of thing air, and I do believe it's probably got basis in fact...the Trump admin, as well as the Biden admin, were also covering for Obama/Hillary and all the rest.
That fact that they're suddenly dropping all this means they could have done it earlier. The whole system is rotten.
They're flailing and failing because biblical forces are systematically destroying each and every cover up they attempt. Now that they've reached their "end game" technologically, it's really just that their bankrupt ideologies are becoming more and more obvious with each passing day.
YOUR challenge is to become to best person you can be, and build up your communities as best you can, because once the last domino falls there will be a massive power vacuum, and if good people aren't prepared to step up evil people will to save their own skins (no rest for the wicked).
I don't share your pessimism in this.
The amount of cover-ups of cover-ups is so extreme that it is not wrong to say that the entirety of the DOJ's current investigations into Obama are the result of Hillary Clinton's misconduct during the attack on Benghazi.
Trump primarily wants to grow the economy of the US, and like before, is worried about getting dragged down into complaining about past issues. The problem that people like Vance, RFK, and Tulsi see is that you can't 'move past' these people, and you have to destroy them.
Honestly, I'm willing to bet Tulsi didn't push this to get Epstein out of the news feed, but to actually re-assert pressure onto the Epstein investigation from a different angle. CIA director Brenan is going to be involved in both of these cover-ups at the same time.
Remember, Maxwell was railroaded. She's an evil sex criminal, but she was railroaded to protect her co-conspirators and is the only one sitting in prison because she got screwed. She's taken a personal afront to the fact that there's no honor among pedophiles. A lot of people from the Obama admin walked right back into the DOJ and started handling the file.
Yes, the system is rotten, but this is the problem. They've committed crimes literally everywhere. There's bloody footprints on the ceiling. They cover-up breaking the law by breaking the law. The issue is not finding enough evidence, it's about sorting out the evidence they have and making a narrative of it because there's so much. Someone worm-tonged their way into Trump's ear and told him the Dems would use the Epstein case to drag him through the mud. In reality, they are so deep in this shit that he has a plethora of choices. But it appears like some blonde retard isn't communicating that very well, and Suzie Wiles is intentionally corrupting everything she can touch.
It's copium, but I'll have a hit of that.
And that's just the TLDR. Yes the Epstein stuff is gargantuan in nature but it's like one of a dozen kaiju sized monsters in our government. And there's a lot of crossover between the issues and the players involved. Not even conspiratorial stuff. Just legit wrong doings like fast and furious getting weapons to cartels that killed Americans, or Lois Lerners IRS targeting political dissidents. And these are big fucking deals even if they aren't as lurid as kid fucking blackmail rings.
There are a few red pill moments that if taken individually would piss off Americans but if taken collectively might actually spark violent unrest. It's just that these are red enemas and not easy to take in. Some of this stuff is so convoluted most people throw up their hands and turn on the ballgame.
The challenge is how do we craft a narrative that's damning enough to catch all the spiders but not so overwhelming that the average American (aka a retarded juror) could understand and feel confident convicting.
It is unironically true that almost everything we are seeing has been the result of Clinton's bungling of the Benghazi raid. That's actually the origin point, and everything was basically multiple admins committing to a cover-up of a cover-up.
Hillary got a US ambassador and several CIA operators killed for her own stupidity and arrogance in Libya. Evidence of that was stored in her illegal servers in Ukraine. To cover up that scandal, Obama and Clinton tried to blame Islamophobia and YouTube. When she was pressed, she destroyed the evidence creating the deleted emails. When she was investigated for the illegal emails she wanted to make sure she got into the presidency to stay out of jail. So she corrupted the DNC process. Wikileaks revealed the existence of the email server and her corruption in the DNC. She covered that up with the Russiagate Hoax. In order to facilitate the Russiagate hoax, the DNC via Fusion GPS purchased old disinformation opposition research from John McCain from the Jeb Bush campaign. They forwarded that to the FBI, who used that to get a FISA warrant to wire-tap Trump in order to manufacture evidence to keep him from getting into office and realizing how wide the corruption in Ukraine is (and how many kickbacks they are getting, and to protect the Clinton presidency). When that failed they leaked the disinfo to the press and then used that reporting to claim that the original disinfo was legit and used it to produce a falsified FISA warrant while Trump was president and effectively tried to institute a coup to get him impeached. Upon hearing about all of this, Trump asked Zelensky in a phone call to look into the servers. This act in and of itself was used to justify his first impeachment. This is what Tulsi is talking about.
But of course, the scandal continues because the impeachment failed, so the Dems claimed that the call was actually done to... stop Joe Biden from running for President, which is what his handlers used to urge him to run. Since Tulsi destroyed Kamalla at one of the debates, they had to entirely prop him up. The only way to try and get him through despite being mostly unpopular and needing to basically destroy evidence and keep this usurpur from power they bulldozed the economy, set the country on fire in a Black National Socialist Kristallnacht, poisoned our children, allowed a bio-weapon to run rampant on the planet's population, and then completely fucked the electoral system. When people got mad about this and rioted at the capital, that was used as justification for his 2nd impeachment. I was also used as justification to declare Trump unable to run, and even rationalized why he should be stripped from the ballot.
All that, and I didn't even touch Burisma or the German oil pipeline. The government just breaks the law, to cover up breaking the law, to cover up breaking the law, to cover up breaking the law. It's exhausting.
I've been critical of Trump, but that's not even my point here. I'm not blaming Trump, even though he's POTUS and the buck stops with him...in theory.
No, my issue is that the government is so big and so bloated - and so dishonest - that they weren't even necessarily actively covering for Obama/Hillary. It was just the status quo. They were untouchable...until someone (maybe Trump, but probably not, maybe Tulsi, maybe Wiles, who knows) thought it would be a good distraction, and made them un-untouchable.
The knew Obama and Hillary were guilty. And hid that. Until they got orders to the contrary. That's my theory, at least. This shit doesn't just fall out of the sky. The fact that they know now, means they knew then as well.
I totally support going after them, too, for the record. But it's still a distraction, still a coverup. It's red meat for the people who wanted to see some elites go down, after Trump bungled (maybe? 4D chess isn't out of the question, I have no clue what's going on at this point) the Epstein thing.
The problem remains: It's been shown very clearly there are just some things that can't be exposed...and the fact that it seems like a bunch of pedophiles and worse are running the show and are actually untouchable, even compared to Obama...that's a big problem for the system, and trust of said system.
Even jailing Obama - which I doubt will happen - does not solve the 'pedophiles seemingly run the world, and even the President of the US can't go after them' issue. In fact, jailing Obama as a distraction just shows how important the actual masters are.
Trump dangled the Epstein thing, he has to follow through. Going after other guilty parties like Obama and Hillary is great, but doesn't solve the actual issue, and actually highlights them more.
Seems to be the case, yeah.
Yeah, Wiles is deep, deep, deep in this.
And I think Trump knows. It's weird he keeps calling her 'perhaps the most powerful person on the planet.' That's...odd. Strange. Bizarre.
Trump has been more cagey and indirect in a really aggressive way, particularly with the Maxwell stuff. He's being expressly non-committal which is keeping not only his opponents guessing, but all of us as well.
I don't think that it's evidence that there are people that are untouchable, I think it's more like a decentralized version of what Stalin and Saddam did. Stalin made sure that he gave orders that specific people would assassinate other people so that they would be implicated in the murders. Saddam directly had his own party members execute the party members he ordered purged. The utility of this means that everybody in a position of power is explicitly implicated in the same crime as everybody else, and everyone is guilty, and anyone who speaks out against the conspiracy will be targeted by the other co-conspirators who need to be silenced to protect everyone else in the conspiracy.
Except instead of murder, it's child sex trafficking. So many are guilty of allowing, ignoring, tolerating, facilitating, or participating in the conspiracy that it makes the conspiracy either permanent, or a total collapse. If you speak the truth, everyone will hunt you down because everyone is guilty. If you everyone speaks the truth, then the whole system collapses on itself and everyone loses everything. Even if you know it's true, everyone just pretends that it isn't.
I think that's really what they found. The western, rainbow-flag, version of Saddam's coup; except without a Saddam. It's just the concentration of power itself. For the cost of killing Saddam and his system, you got the rise of Al-Qaeda, and 300,000 dead Iraqis. Was the Arab Spring really worth it? If you kill the Fabian Order, what happens next?
Unfortunately, I agree with Peter Hitchens on this. Destroying Saddam's system might actually be fucking worth it from a moral stance alone. I think the destruction of the Fabian Order might actually be better than letting it continue. Even if that risks causing a French Civil War, an anti-English Intafada, an invasion of Taiwan, and a 2nd Great Depression.
I honestly wonder what evidence could make Trump back down. It has to be something he is willing to look bad with. They've opened all sorts of other evidence, so whatever is covering Epstein might actually scare Trump.
I wonder if it's not even evidence. He might have simply been given a stern talking to about who actually wears the pants, and he should get in line or...bad things happen.
I've heard rumours that the joint chiefs of staff told him to accept the loss in 2020 or else.
It wasn't evidence.
Trump got a security briefing that Epstein was a Mossad honeypot that the CIA was complicit in helping.
The people on the list are patsies. They may have done naughty things with slightly underage girls (seventeen or whatever) but that was more-or-less entrapment and most of it was just stuff like massages. The scale of their crimes doesn't matter. Even clear evidence that anyone is on the list is enough to destroy them.
The right move is to rip into Israel for breaking uncountable laws and trying to leverage prominent individuals into supporting Israel over the USA.
Such a move would be foreign relations dynamite and it still wouldn't satisfy the MAGA base, who want rich people to be held accountable for the first time in history.
The MAGA base would be super satisfied with Trump going apeshit on Israel. The percentage of MAGA that is MIGA is similar to the percentage of the Tea Party that was neocon. The super minority of conservatives appearing on television (or social media) are astroturfed and not representative of the base.
I don't disagree; and Israel totally deserve to be called to task for their bullshit.
But that wasn't the campaign promise, and ripping Israel a new one wouldn't excuse Trump from not holding the rich and powerful accountable for having sex with underage girls on Epstein's island; which is what the MAGA base want to see.
They are sick to death of the rich and powerful being able to skate no matter how evil they are. There is a list of the bad guys. Why are they not held to account?
I think it scared all of them.
I think it's so bad that they think it could legitimately start wars, and cause a full-blown collapse of the Fabian Socialist order, and they don't have anything to replace it yet. Bongino and Patel want to save the FBI. They don't want to arrest 20% of the staff and all former senior leadership on child sex trafficking charges among other felonies.
I think if they realized the CIA, FBI, DOJ, MI5, Mossad, the entire Five Eyes network, and a massive swathe of politicians and economic leaders from all parties in all western countries were directly implicated, including the King of England, and they knew releasing the documents could cause a cascade failure of the entire globohomo order and replace it with nothing because people would be literally hanging politicians.... they'd balk.
I think either they realized that that was what was in the files, and someone told Trump that the files would just cause the Dems to fight to the death and try to drag down his presidency in new scandals. I suspect Suzie Wiles is the worm-tounge, but I think that they are scared of whole governments collapsing under the scandal.
Honestly, I think something is replacing it, which is why they are fighting so hard to keep their power.
I think that we are on the way to replacing it, but I think there would be a power-vacuum if it fell.
Power vacuum for them. Every new empire doesn't need as many people, that happens a century later.
It's a power vacuum for all of us. We'll get caught in the fighting, just as the Iraqis did after the American invasion, or just like the Russians did during the oligarchic period after the fall of Communism.
Living through the Bush and Obama years it was clear and obvious that Hillary was going through the motions to be crowned after Obama was done, and seemingly crowned higher than anyone. She was continuously given high titles, fluffed by the media, and trotted in front of us despite no one liking her. Bill was liked by people, but Hillary was despised. Yet all political parties treated her like actual royalty. She clearly has power beyond what any of us understand, and I think that applies to even guys like Trump underestimating her and those around her.
I mean, compare Epstein to Podesta (one of Hillary's biggest power players). One worked with mostly teenage girls (still very illegal), and we are still allowed to talk and make conspiracies about it. The other was openly flaunting torturing children with all his cohorts, and we were literally forced to stop talking about it. And people still don't talk about it. People are right now talking about burning it all down over Epstein, just they just let Pizzagate go because the media told them to despite being 200% more horrific and evil.
The longer this goes on, the more the "you are not immune to propaganda" line becomes truer. Because comparing those two shows very obviously shows which one people were told to care about and which one they were told to move on from, even those of us on the side that pride on not falling for such. And part of that is blatantly obvious because Epstein could be used against Trump in some form, while Podesta was only Clinton/Obama and had literal one step removed from them and all their other cohorts that grant them such high level power.
Largely correct but, for the record, Podesta is actually making the rounds again at the moment, due to people like Daryl Cooper, Tucker Carlson, Scott Horton, Dave Smith, and others.
But, yeah, Podesta wasn't talked about for ages, you're correct.
And, yeah, a bunch of why people care is optics, absolutely. This wouldn't be such a big deal if Trump hadn't appointed Kash and Bongino, and hadn't said he'd look into Epstein. It's silly, frustrating, but understandable. Things that get mainstream traction are going to be talked about more. The Podesta thing was largely smothered, and now the Epstein thing is having gas poured on the flames.
For the record, I've always wanted all the pedophiles and other monsters scooped up and stripped of their freedom and, more importantly, power. And I'm glad this got people talking about Podesta again, who is an absolute monster. Lock them all up. At a minimum.
Doesn't matter. Pizzagate was a "hoax" so everything involved with it is buried and cannot be used in any discussion with the majority of people. We never got a single explanation about any of the dozen things that had no reasonable explanation but evil, but a random guy "shot up" a pizza place so its gone. Anything from here has to build from scratch and has to go up against those prior accusations as he has been "the target of right wing conspiracies before."
I applaud people trying, but it'll never be sellable to the masses because of that. Unless he gets fully caught and jailed to allow the sharks to turn on him, they won that battle and protected him and all around him.
And the reasonings for that are important enough to make me not want to get too up in arms about the Epstein thing outside principle. Not because it wasn't horrible, but because its being used to manipulate us and will bring about no justice. TPTB will take whatever it has, use it to destroy their enemies (while tossing some sacrificial lambs with no value from their own side) and then let it go. Nothing will be improved, we will have our standards used against us to police our own while they continue unrestrained.
Trump's handling of it has been retarded, but we've seen what a "real evil pedo ring" looks like versus one we are allowed to know about. And that difference is night and day, telling me more than blatantly that this is all a show to cover for something. For what, I don't know, but at this point even releasing the Epstein files will feel like a con.
If it sounded like I meant otherwise, that was not my intent. You are a pretty reasonable man that I'd never think would believe any less.
The point about propaganda was about how they know when to allow these feelings to exist, to weaponize them, and when they have to crush them outright to protect themselves. They know how we will react to these things, how our emotions will flow. And the last 5+ years on the internet has seen "pedo!!" become such a massive boogeyman that it absolutely is not organic. We are being trained like attack dogs to lose sight of ourselves and our reasonability bit by bit, so that when the time comes we will lynch our own without a second thought.
This entire Epstein thing is showing itself to be more than just some dead pimp and the rich losers he sold teen girls to, and more about the channels of power that run even deeper than we thought. Not simple Mossad/Jew level, but actual background entities that we don't even think to name holding the real keys.
The other thirds of it though are
Epstein was FIRMLY a bipartisan problem, both the left and the right were pointing him out to try and bring down pet targets, and that's YUGE for keeping it in the public eye. That doubles the number of normies wanting to talk about it. When the marching order is "bury it" vs "no you" that's huge.
History is cyclical and nothing ever happens, but it's cyclical in a wind and release cycle. Things later down the line of the wind phase are "tighter" they're more impactful even if they're "less" of a thing in objective reality. The pressure cooker is apt because of this. Sure you might have added MORE heat during a previous event, but it's the threshold thay matters, every bit of heat adds up, and saying "whyd it blow now? I only added a single degree, three days ago I added 10 degrees" misses the physics of it
Your metaphor makes sense in a completely organic environment. Gamergate is probably a perfect example of one of those happening.
This I feel is the furthest from organic, its not only way too big and involving too many big people, but its people whose very power structure is in manipulations like that. In this way, we are just children wandering through the kitchen. Sure we could add heat and do all sorts of things that could "pop" the story, but the person actually cooking is also there and monitoring these things. Including the ability to turn the heat up or down as needed to fit their goals instead.
The longer this goes on, the more I feel like Epstein is a "we allowed you to know" situation that is being used for some purpose. The heat added was them expecting us to add heat.
You give the powers that be way to much credit. Rome fell. The Globohomo will too.
Not in some glorious struggle but because that's the nature of power, secrecy, and evil.
This isn't even claiming pattern, it's claiming nature. The "heat" in this case is how long it takes for someone to put their head on a pike. "Someone" can be anybody. It can be a pure hearted revolutionary or it can be their right hand deciding to rule 2 them and take over. Such things are inevitable, and they always cause a reset.
They will fall one day as all things will, but that doesn't mean they are completely powerless to do something as simple (to them) as social engineering.
The thing that decides if someone finally breaks and puts their head on a pike is a heat that they have considerable control over. Not perfect, not even close, but they can influence it. And there are a lot of heads that need taking if we are to really even make a dent here, which means a lot of "popping."
If you want a metaphor, there's a bucket, uou can't unfill the bucket. Everyone wants to put water in the bucket. Tptb must fill it, sure they have slowed thr flow. They either stop and die or it overflows. Their control isn't particularly meaningful in the grand scheme.
I get your metaphors, I just disagree with them. In this case you can absolutely unfill the bucket, usually by letting off steam in someway to make people think something was done.
In this case, attacking Epstein hard enough makes them think they took down the big pedo ring, thereby lowering the water level in the bucket because now people feel like they've won and managed to get one over on those in power. When its entirely possible we are being allowed to bark up this tree because its keeping our attention off them elsewhere, and keeps that bucket lower.
Well as someone who has had a lifelong fascination with UFOs and paranormal I’d love that. Although I do want Epstein info released as well
This is genius Let's do it