Presumably nothing much, as we've moved on to different propaganda.
I think it was Scott Horton, but I was listening to a bunch of different people on the anti-war side today, who said that basically all of Yemen is now basically the Houthis, because that's just how that shit works. They were bombed, and took the side of the ones not bombing them, against the people bombing them.
But we don't care anymore, it's all about Iran.
Just like we don't care about the groups we've supported, fought, or both. Where are the Kurds nowadays? Who cares, we have a new Thing. ISIS? Old news. Taliban? Eh, boring. Al-Qaeda? Sure, they were big news back in the day, and now run a country or whatever, but that doesn't really matter.
Snark aside...they've probably been recruiting like crazy, but laying low for a bit. And the talk about moving on is true. They're still out there, we just don't care any more. It's all about stopping Iran from getting a nuke/* in two weeks.
/* some exceptions apply. Not a real nuke. Not attached to a missile. Not fully enriched. But it's nuclear. And that's terrible.
I get your over arching snarky point.. But it does appear the attacks have stopped.
I mean...they were abiding by the ceasefire, until Israel broke it. It does seem like they wanted to edge away from attacking American ships, because they realized it's a bad idea to fuck with the US.
It just seems they eased off the pressure after they got some pushback, but are still around. My point was, not a whole lot changed, people just stopped caring about them, because they were no longer told to care about them.
Houthis were never a threat. They're now even less of one, since they don't seem to be touching American ships.
Their threat to international shipping, the capture and even sinking of cargo ships? That was not real? This hampered the economies of many nations & cost countless billions to re-route cargo away from the danger. Plus those additional GHGs from longer routes were destroying the planet, eh?
They were indeed a threat to America, Europe and everyone else too. Plus they fired lots of drones at Israel too, shortly before Trump obliterated them. The Saudis have long wanted them gone, so they're probably very pleased with Trump right now.
I get your over arching snarky point.. But it does appear the attacks have stopped.
Because Israeli affiliated ships avoid the Suez canal and the US have stopped wasting money on bombing the Houthis. Israel has only ever been the target of the sea blockade.
They've been attacking international shipping for many years now. This "anti-Israel" excuse is very recent. Just like the rest of the pirates in the region, they will attack anyone they can catch.
Houthis have been attacking international shipping before the Gaza war? That's news to me. Can you give me an example where they've attacked a ship of someone that hasn't been involved in the Yemeni civil war? Because I'm only able to find a case where they've seized an UAE vessel.
They were doing the piracy thing in the Obama days too. Was that a result of 10/7/23 as well? 🤔
The Media kept really quiet about it since it made Obama look like a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, and trumpeted his many drone strikes as a brave hero dropping bombs on US citizens :/ who deserves another Nobel Peace Prize.
The media covered the Yemen civil war. They were one of the factions. I don't see where they've ever been pirates. Pirates do it for the loot. I've only ever known them to attack ships for political reasons.
Not really. Last time they lobbed a missile at Israel was monday. The sea blockade is still in effect. But as long as no Israel affiliated ships try to pass through the Gulf of Aden nothing much happens.
Wouldn't even classifying them as a general nuisance. They were very consistent with their blockade. Only ships heading to or from Israel, owned by Israeli companies or obfuscating their destination/affiliation were targeted. And of course once countries started bombing them their ships were targeted as well. But as soon as they stopped the Houthis stopped too. They also honored the ceasefire in Gaza.
All in all the supposed 'terrorists' have been far more trustworthy and respectable than the 'defenders of democracy'.
In particular, they also tend to attack vessels from poor countries with no way to defend themselves or make any international news. The neo-barbary pirates does not care if the entire produce of a small rural farming family goes up in flames.
You are aware that ship owners choose the flag they're sailing under for financial reasons? And the flag a ship is sailing under tells you nothing about who actually owns the ship?
The neo-barbary pirates
Houthis aren't committing acts of piracy for financial gain. What they're doing is waging a war against Israel in support of Gaza.
does not care if the entire produce of a small rural farming family goes up in flames.
War of attrition and a potential lack of future Iranian support. Normally these insurgencies would be able to win the war of attrition but due to their threat to shipping in the area they get a lot more attention and militaries have the will to fight them vs in a place like Afghanistan. Also, they may be losing the war to whoever else is in Yemen (maybe the actual government?) so they need to focus on that and not being a nuisance to global powers.
The Houthis have been fighting a civil war in Yemen for a long, long time. It only hit international news when they interfered with US shipping. Trump hit them with some airstrikes, they agreed to stop interfering with US shipping. Now it's back off the news cycle.
The Houthis get their weapons and financing from the Iranians. The Houthis declared themselves on the side of Iran, but they've got a tentative 'non aggression' pact with the Americans. The Americans will probably get involved again if they decide to block the strait of Bab-el-Mandeb.
The Houthis are an ongoing threat that the Iranians used to stop trade through the Strait of Hormuz. The Houthis wildly over-stretched and attacked not only Israeli ships, but ships that might have once been owned by a jew, or in the west or something like that. So there was a massive response that severely damaged the Houthis ability to target ships.
The Houthis responded by attacking US military ships, but they lost every engagement they had. As a result, the Houthis agreed to stop attacking non-Israeli ships, and that's where we are at. It's a stand-off where the Houthis are still holding Iranian weapons and support, but they aren't stupid enough to keep attacking ships that aren't explicitly coming from Israel, or flying Israeli flags. Which, at the same time, is basically no ships.
The biggest surprise I saw was just how aggressive they actually were. I think the Trump admin actually didn't advertise well enough just how violent they were being, just how many drones and missiles they were using, and that they were trying to swarm attack US ships.
We were actually in very real war with an Iranian proxy to protect international shipping, but it sounded like there was just some bombing. from the media.
Yesterday's news, they could've actually been wiped off the face of the earth overnight and we wouldn't find out until months later thanks to how ADHD our modern media is.
the Houthis main mission was to attack Israeli vessels so long as the Gaza siege continued.
It started decades before that. Obama used to drop drones on them frequently, including on US citizens there.
Yes, Trump has mostly wiped them out. It was that easy all this time. They'd kept really quite during his first term, but Biden let them "get away with it" so they were emboldened. FAFO eh?
Presumably nothing much, as we've moved on to different propaganda.
I think it was Scott Horton, but I was listening to a bunch of different people on the anti-war side today, who said that basically all of Yemen is now basically the Houthis, because that's just how that shit works. They were bombed, and took the side of the ones not bombing them, against the people bombing them.
But we don't care anymore, it's all about Iran.
Just like we don't care about the groups we've supported, fought, or both. Where are the Kurds nowadays? Who cares, we have a new Thing. ISIS? Old news. Taliban? Eh, boring. Al-Qaeda? Sure, they were big news back in the day, and now run a country or whatever, but that doesn't really matter.
Snark aside...they've probably been recruiting like crazy, but laying low for a bit. And the talk about moving on is true. They're still out there, we just don't care any more. It's all about stopping Iran from getting a nuke/* in two weeks.
/* some exceptions apply. Not a real nuke. Not attached to a missile. Not fully enriched. But it's nuclear. And that's terrible.
I mean...they were abiding by the ceasefire, until Israel broke it. It does seem like they wanted to edge away from attacking American ships, because they realized it's a bad idea to fuck with the US.
It just seems they eased off the pressure after they got some pushback, but are still around. My point was, not a whole lot changed, people just stopped caring about them, because they were no longer told to care about them.
Houthis were never a threat. They're now even less of one, since they don't seem to be touching American ships.
They aren’t a big threat to america and are unlikely to launch an attack on American soil or military bases but they were a huge annoyance on 2024
Their threat to international shipping, the capture and even sinking of cargo ships? That was not real? This hampered the economies of many nations & cost countless billions to re-route cargo away from the danger. Plus those additional GHGs from longer routes were destroying the planet, eh?
They were indeed a threat to America, Europe and everyone else too. Plus they fired lots of drones at Israel too, shortly before Trump obliterated them. The Saudis have long wanted them gone, so they're probably very pleased with Trump right now.
Because Israeli affiliated ships avoid the Suez canal and the US have stopped wasting money on bombing the Houthis. Israel has only ever been the target of the sea blockade.
They've been attacking international shipping for many years now. This "anti-Israel" excuse is very recent. Just like the rest of the pirates in the region, they will attack anyone they can catch.
Houthis have been attacking international shipping before the Gaza war? That's news to me. Can you give me an example where they've attacked a ship of someone that hasn't been involved in the Yemeni civil war? Because I'm only able to find a case where they've seized an UAE vessel.
Israel is still fighting them, but Iran is of course dominating the news cycle.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80k4kj9lyro
In addition to this, I think they launched some missiles at Israel as well.
The Houthis are effectively Iran. It's an extension of the Iran-Israeli War at this point.
They did several times, starting on 19th Oct 2023 when they made their demands.
It's just an excuse to keep doing what they've been doing for decades: piracy.
Yeah, it's not like anything significant happened in October of 2023 that would lead to them attacking Israel. It must just be piracy. 🙄
They were doing the piracy thing in the Obama days too. Was that a result of 10/7/23 as well? 🤔
The Media kept really quiet about it since it made Obama look like a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, and trumpeted his many drone strikes as a brave hero dropping bombs on US citizens :/ who deserves another Nobel Peace Prize.
The media covered the Yemen civil war. They were one of the factions. I don't see where they've ever been pirates. Pirates do it for the loot. I've only ever known them to attack ships for political reasons.
Still there. Being less of an annoyance
Not really. Last time they lobbed a missile at Israel was monday. The sea blockade is still in effect. But as long as no Israel affiliated ships try to pass through the Gulf of Aden nothing much happens.
Too bad for israel but before that they were just a general nuisance to everyone. Suck it up for the world israel
Wouldn't even classifying them as a general nuisance. They were very consistent with their blockade. Only ships heading to or from Israel, owned by Israeli companies or obfuscating their destination/affiliation were targeted. And of course once countries started bombing them their ships were targeted as well. But as soon as they stopped the Houthis stopped too. They also honored the ceasefire in Gaza.
All in all the supposed 'terrorists' have been far more trustworthy and respectable than the 'defenders of democracy'.
They werent. Try working in exports and imports before you claim that
They weren't? Do you have an example of where they've deliberately attacked a ship or shipping company that doesn't fall under said criteria?
https://alfasselnews.com/en_GB/articles/gc1/features/2024/02/15/feature-05
https://www.lloydslist.com/LL1147633/Houthis-target-tenth-ship-in-Red-Sea-as-attacks-turn-increasingly-indiscriminate
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/how-houthi-attacks-red-sea-threaten-global-shipping
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/24/us-warns-of-disaster-amid-oil-slick-in-red-sea-from-ship-hit-by-houthis
In particular, they also tend to attack vessels from poor countries with no way to defend themselves or make any international news. The neo-barbary pirates does not care if the entire produce of a small rural farming family goes up in flames.
I could go on.
You are aware that ship owners choose the flag they're sailing under for financial reasons? And the flag a ship is sailing under tells you nothing about who actually owns the ship?
Houthis aren't committing acts of piracy for financial gain. What they're doing is waging a war against Israel in support of Gaza.
You serious?
Please do.
War of attrition and a potential lack of future Iranian support. Normally these insurgencies would be able to win the war of attrition but due to their threat to shipping in the area they get a lot more attention and militaries have the will to fight them vs in a place like Afghanistan. Also, they may be losing the war to whoever else is in Yemen (maybe the actual government?) so they need to focus on that and not being a nuisance to global powers.
The Houthis have been fighting a civil war in Yemen for a long, long time. It only hit international news when they interfered with US shipping. Trump hit them with some airstrikes, they agreed to stop interfering with US shipping. Now it's back off the news cycle.
The Houthis get their weapons and financing from the Iranians. The Houthis declared themselves on the side of Iran, but they've got a tentative 'non aggression' pact with the Americans. The Americans will probably get involved again if they decide to block the strait of Bab-el-Mandeb.
Except that they regularly attack US ships, including military vessels.
They've basically stopped that as a result of the bombing campaign. They can't keep attacking Israel and the US at the same time, so they cut a deal.
Hou?
The Houthis are an ongoing threat that the Iranians used to stop trade through the Strait of Hormuz. The Houthis wildly over-stretched and attacked not only Israeli ships, but ships that might have once been owned by a jew, or in the west or something like that. So there was a massive response that severely damaged the Houthis ability to target ships.
The Houthis responded by attacking US military ships, but they lost every engagement they had. As a result, the Houthis agreed to stop attacking non-Israeli ships, and that's where we are at. It's a stand-off where the Houthis are still holding Iranian weapons and support, but they aren't stupid enough to keep attacking ships that aren't explicitly coming from Israel, or flying Israeli flags. Which, at the same time, is basically no ships.
The Operations Room did a great job going over this.
The biggest surprise I saw was just how aggressive they actually were. I think the Trump admin actually didn't advertise well enough just how violent they were being, just how many drones and missiles they were using, and that they were trying to swarm attack US ships.
We were actually in very real war with an Iranian proxy to protect international shipping, but it sounded like there was just some bombing. from the media.
Yesterday's news, they could've actually been wiped off the face of the earth overnight and we wouldn't find out until months later thanks to how ADHD our modern media is.
It started decades before that. Obama used to drop drones on them frequently, including on US citizens there.
Yes, Trump has mostly wiped them out. It was that easy all this time. They'd kept really quite during his first term, but Biden let them "get away with it" so they were emboldened. FAFO eh?