Also they don’t mention that it was rebuilt within a few years. I know about it due to growing up in the same state along with knowing about Native American history in Oklahoma. I wouldn’t expect people from different parts of the country to be aware. Similar to how I wouldn’t know about regional Oregon history
It’s another 1619 revisionism attempt. There’s even claims that 3k people died now with “hidden” mass graves, were bombed by planes, and machine guns were used to mow down black people.
When I was a history and anthropology Prof my students would complain that I wouldn't know this or that fact. I had to explain that there was no way I'd know it all, but I definitely knew more than they did. I studied because I want to know more, not because I wanted to correct idiots.
Dude, you show an interest in culture and history and they say that should be your major. Then they never give you a job outside of academia as a viable option. Then they act like they're doing you a favor for a shit job with little pay, because someday you might get their kind of money.
I almost majored in poly sci with a history minor before I joined the military. Couldn’t imagine how shitty it would have been if I followed through with that useless scrap of paper.
Well, any old degree meets the prerequisite to be commissioned, which is a much better/easier path in the military.
We denigrate colleges and lower grade teachers because they're all leftist wackos pushing propaganda on kids and young adults, but that's why the left is winning. Imagine how society would be today if all those college professors and high school teachers had views that better align with how we see the world.
We'd probably flip the script and laud educators for being the bulwark preventing our youth from being brainwashed.
Well, obviously we would, but it’s not hypocrisy if it’s true. They are damaging because of how they are. They’d be helpful if they were completely different. (Although I suppose you could argue they may be overproduced regardless of political alignment).
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that the right is hypocritical in its disdain for educators. More like that we undervalue them. I think the very valid critique of the sort of people who become educators has turned into bashing education itself and the profession of being an educator. I see a lot of bashing of teachers and professors talking about how that's not a real job.
Education is important, and learning to think is important. The humanities are important when they're not used as a vehicle for leftist propaganda. I think as deleterious as educators have been to American culture over the last few decades, they could have had the opposite positive effect if we hadn't let the entire profession be basically captured by the left.
It's like education about the civil war. People growing up in the area it happened learned all about those events and are way more educated than normies, but those normies now think they are the educated ones because they saw a movie where "this changes everything we know." In the case of the civil war, the outsiders (yankees) were only taught it was dem evil slaveowners what started a war and nothing else. In the case of the race riot, the outsiders know nothing.
The political situation leading up to the Civil War was quite complex, and I try to explain to people that the abolition movement didn't have any real plans beyond simply ending slavery without any form of compensation, which would have nuked the entire economy of the South.
It's incredibly naive to think that half the country was going to just sit there and watch all of its wealth and influence disappear without any sort of repercussions.
Then you get into things such as the immigrant labor force powering the industrial revolution the North, and how they were basically slaves in all but name, so the moral call to end slavery quite conveniently coincided with the wealthy in the North receiving pretty much the exact same labor force but they could assuage their consciences by saying that their workers were free.
And not to mention a lot of people that opposed slavery's expansion to the west, was from white folks that wanted jobs and not be shutout by rich guys with slaves. It wasn't some moral calling to oppose slavery, it was a financial decision
Also that a lot of people didn't own slaves, because it turns out feeding/housing people isn't cheap, and poor farmers can't afford it (they'd turn out to love tech making their lives easier).
I specifically committed details of the Camp Logan Mutiny to memory for people who started saying "nobody knows about Tulsa" after the stupid HBO show came out.
I remember when suddenly everyone was talking about that as if it was always in the public consciousness. Crazy how malleable normies are.
Edit: Reminds me of a few years ago when I casually said something to my dad (boomer age) about Rosa Parks and he responded with "Who the hell is that?"
I realize you arent bringing it up to bash on yourself, but that's why it's so important to control the shit they're teaching kids. People are super vulnerable when they have zero mental defenses against the propaganda and it can instill lifelong beliefs and shape perceptions on reality.
Definitely. Most of what I remember about my public education is getting beat over the head with the racial message. I didn't really become aware that things were not as they'd been presented to me until I was maybe 23.
They've been doing this for many years. I remember being in junior high in the 1990's and they were teaching about Crispus Attucks being a hero as the first person killed in the Boston Massacre- because he was black.
Three people were killed on the spot, and two died later when British soldiers shot into a crowd of several hundred rioters. While an important event on the road to the American Revolution, I wouldn't regard being killed in that manner as particularly heroic, nor do we have any credible evidence that he was the first of the three to die. When I looked him up today, it sounds like now they are pushing that he was mixed race so they can give him some Indian cred too.
None of which even matters other than it's an attempt to spin some bit of trivia into an important contribution. Even at the time I could see that they were attempting to make something out of nothing to imply that black people had a bigger role in American history than they really did.
I remember being in junior high in the 1990's and they were teaching about Crispus Attucks being a hero as the first person killed in the Boston Massacre- because he was black.
I went to junior high around 20 years after you. I also remember being taught about that dude, and the fact that I can remember him but undoubtedly couldn't tell you about plenty of people infinitely more important to American history is a huge indictment of our education system. Rotten to the core.
I once ran an internet filter startup to do just that and conservative parents can’t be convinced to care until it’s too late. Everyone wants their kid to have a “normal childhood” until their child is an adult cutting off their genitals
I think it was once called The Battle of Tulsa, and the Tulsa Race Riots. Now they are talking about reparations for these people now. And black Wall St. was two blocks. How many people did they squeeze into 2 blocks?
I'm currently reading 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich' written by William Shirer. It's an extremely detailed book and so far it's a good read, but I can't fully enjoy it because I assume that much of it is likely a Jan 6 style rewrite of what actually happened.
Check out Ron Unz's American Pravda series. He has a number of articles on WW2, but his article on the Leo Frank case really drives home how much history can be distorted by motivated actors.
And if Ms. LEE really said "Tulsa massacre" she's already one step removed from their manufactured neologism. She doesn't even know what she's saying so why would we expect the person she's asking to understand?
Is this another woke rehistorization like the stonewall riot? Something small and inconsequential that is recontextualized and selectively exaggerated?
And really this is the issue with CRT or any race based education. You remove all context of the time and place. Give it a good name. And pretend it happened because white people are just inherently evil and want to kill anyone slightly more brown than them.
Also they don’t mention that it was rebuilt within a few years. I know about it due to growing up in the same state along with knowing about Native American history in Oklahoma. I wouldn’t expect people from different parts of the country to be aware. Similar to how I wouldn’t know about regional Oregon history
It’s another 1619 revisionism attempt. There’s even claims that 3k people died now with “hidden” mass graves, were bombed by planes, and machine guns were used to mow down black people.
Did they build death coasters too?
Oh man, next you'll say they were put in cages with bears and eagles, or masturbated to death by industrial diesel-powered onaholes.
When I was a history and anthropology Prof my students would complain that I wouldn't know this or that fact. I had to explain that there was no way I'd know it all, but I definitely knew more than they did. I studied because I want to know more, not because I wanted to correct idiots.
Why do you hate yourself so much?
Dude, you show an interest in culture and history and they say that should be your major. Then they never give you a job outside of academia as a viable option. Then they act like they're doing you a favor for a shit job with little pay, because someday you might get their kind of money.
That's why I say Academia is a pyramid scheme.
I almost majored in poly sci with a history minor before I joined the military. Couldn’t imagine how shitty it would have been if I followed through with that useless scrap of paper.
Well, any old degree meets the prerequisite to be commissioned, which is a much better/easier path in the military.
We denigrate colleges and lower grade teachers because they're all leftist wackos pushing propaganda on kids and young adults, but that's why the left is winning. Imagine how society would be today if all those college professors and high school teachers had views that better align with how we see the world.
We'd probably flip the script and laud educators for being the bulwark preventing our youth from being brainwashed.
Well, obviously we would, but it’s not hypocrisy if it’s true. They are damaging because of how they are. They’d be helpful if they were completely different. (Although I suppose you could argue they may be overproduced regardless of political alignment).
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that the right is hypocritical in its disdain for educators. More like that we undervalue them. I think the very valid critique of the sort of people who become educators has turned into bashing education itself and the profession of being an educator. I see a lot of bashing of teachers and professors talking about how that's not a real job.
Education is important, and learning to think is important. The humanities are important when they're not used as a vehicle for leftist propaganda. I think as deleterious as educators have been to American culture over the last few decades, they could have had the opposite positive effect if we hadn't let the entire profession be basically captured by the left.
Are you a "Boasian"?
Little more advanced than that. I do go into cultures and study them directly. It's weird how much people don't do this.
Check out the state-by-state breakdown in the replies. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gsuvez5WgAAgazZ?format=jpg&name=medium
It's like education about the civil war. People growing up in the area it happened learned all about those events and are way more educated than normies, but those normies now think they are the educated ones because they saw a movie where "this changes everything we know." In the case of the civil war, the outsiders (yankees) were only taught it was dem evil slaveowners what started a war and nothing else. In the case of the race riot, the outsiders know nothing.
The political situation leading up to the Civil War was quite complex, and I try to explain to people that the abolition movement didn't have any real plans beyond simply ending slavery without any form of compensation, which would have nuked the entire economy of the South.
It's incredibly naive to think that half the country was going to just sit there and watch all of its wealth and influence disappear without any sort of repercussions.
Then you get into things such as the immigrant labor force powering the industrial revolution the North, and how they were basically slaves in all but name, so the moral call to end slavery quite conveniently coincided with the wealthy in the North receiving pretty much the exact same labor force but they could assuage their consciences by saying that their workers were free.
And not to mention a lot of people that opposed slavery's expansion to the west, was from white folks that wanted jobs and not be shutout by rich guys with slaves. It wasn't some moral calling to oppose slavery, it was a financial decision
Like with everything, it's the economy, stupid.
Always is, always was, always will be.
Also that a lot of people didn't own slaves, because it turns out feeding/housing people isn't cheap, and poor farmers can't afford it (they'd turn out to love tech making their lives easier).
Remember that Bull Run, not Fort Sumter, was the start of the American civil war. Sumter was an eviction.
And that the South fired first.
Just as no one outside of TX heard of Juneteenth, until 2020 during the George Floyd riots. Now it is a national holiday.
I specifically committed details of the Camp Logan Mutiny to memory for people who started saying "nobody knows about Tulsa" after the stupid HBO show came out.
Didn't they pardon the soldiers recently?
Yes.
I remember when suddenly everyone was talking about that as if it was always in the public consciousness. Crazy how malleable normies are.
Edit: Reminds me of a few years ago when I casually said something to my dad (boomer age) about Rosa Parks and he responded with "Who the hell is that?"
Made me realize that I was malleable too.
I realize you arent bringing it up to bash on yourself, but that's why it's so important to control the shit they're teaching kids. People are super vulnerable when they have zero mental defenses against the propaganda and it can instill lifelong beliefs and shape perceptions on reality.
Definitely. Most of what I remember about my public education is getting beat over the head with the racial message. I didn't really become aware that things were not as they'd been presented to me until I was maybe 23.
They've been doing this for many years. I remember being in junior high in the 1990's and they were teaching about Crispus Attucks being a hero as the first person killed in the Boston Massacre- because he was black.
Three people were killed on the spot, and two died later when British soldiers shot into a crowd of several hundred rioters. While an important event on the road to the American Revolution, I wouldn't regard being killed in that manner as particularly heroic, nor do we have any credible evidence that he was the first of the three to die. When I looked him up today, it sounds like now they are pushing that he was mixed race so they can give him some Indian cred too.
None of which even matters other than it's an attempt to spin some bit of trivia into an important contribution. Even at the time I could see that they were attempting to make something out of nothing to imply that black people had a bigger role in American history than they really did.
I went to junior high around 20 years after you. I also remember being taught about that dude, and the fact that I can remember him but undoubtedly couldn't tell you about plenty of people infinitely more important to American history is a huge indictment of our education system. Rotten to the core.
In Massachusetts even boomers in The 60s learned about him.
Wokeness doubtlessly boosted the story in other states recently but in the Boston area generations have been taught about him.
We learned about him in Maryland during the 90s. Everyone else was unnamed in my Social Studies class
I called him "Crispy Buttocks" to my classmates. I was a bit of a scamp.
Nowadays you'd probably be expelled for "hate speech".
Was? You are a bit of a scamp
I once ran an internet filter startup to do just that and conservative parents can’t be convinced to care until it’s too late. Everyone wants their kid to have a “normal childhood” until their child is an adult cutting off their genitals
I think it was once called The Battle of Tulsa, and the Tulsa Race Riots. Now they are talking about reparations for these people now. And black Wall St. was two blocks. How many people did they squeeze into 2 blocks?
Well, if you cn put 15 pajeets in a 2 bedroom house ...
The SAT questions of the future
Future is now, Math questions would be so much fun
I'm currently reading 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich' written by William Shirer. It's an extremely detailed book and so far it's a good read, but I can't fully enjoy it because I assume that much of it is likely a Jan 6 style rewrite of what actually happened.
Check out Ron Unz's American Pravda series. He has a number of articles on WW2, but his article on the Leo Frank case really drives home how much history can be distorted by motivated actors.
I definitely will, thanks for the recommendation.
It used to be called the "Tulsa Race Riot"
https://web.archive.org/web/20130203003124/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_Race_Riot
Wikipedia used to be so much better. This old article is straight, to the point, and unbiased.
And if Ms. LEE really said "Tulsa massacre" she's already one step removed from their manufactured neologism. She doesn't even know what she's saying so why would we expect the person she's asking to understand?
The entire point of this blood libel is to launch a Canadian style grift over non-existent mass graves.
Is this another woke rehistorization like the stonewall riot? Something small and inconsequential that is recontextualized and selectively exaggerated?
And really this is the issue with CRT or any race based education. You remove all context of the time and place. Give it a good name. And pretend it happened because white people are just inherently evil and want to kill anyone slightly more brown than them.
No, you discount Regina King looking bitch.
Get your history from somewhere other than a Damon Lindelof production.