No matter how anyone feels about WW2, I do like that more people are at least questioning the narrative.
It's important, because WW2 is the founding myth of the West, and that contributes greatly to liberalism.
You don't have to do a complete inversion, and say that the Allies were the Bad Guys (nowhere near that simple), and the Axis actually did nothing wrong (no, they did some absolutely atrocious shit), but simply questioning the established narrative is itself a good thing, because it's the foundation for a lot of heinous things that have utterly ruined civilization.
Like in many conflicts, everyone sort of sucked in WW2. The winners just got to write the history.
I think you have to go back to the French Revolution to get where we are now. There's no doubt WW2 is an important tool for the big government leftist of today. But the foundation myth is The French Revolution
It's fine - "Milquetoast" was a comic character who got the name because he had the soft inoffensiveness of milk toast.
On the other hand, Telia continues to be a retard for the rest of their argument. A Japanese conservative who mourns the defeat of their demonic death cult and blames Roosevelt because he didn't treat a promise of non-involvement as a suicide pact and responded to a military attack on American soil with military force is not "our guy."
I don't give a shit what the Book of Revelation says. The Japanese spent almost a decade committing non-stop atrocities because their interpretation of Bushido was fundamentally incompatible with the concept of mercy.
It's too bad the grammar nazis lost. The word you're looking for is "milquetoast".
To be fair, it's a really weird word. Coincidentally, I just had to look up the spelling the other day when I wanted to use it. "Milquetoast" is quite an odd word.
Don't tell them. The type of people who make that particular misspelling are the types of pompous fart sniffers who think using big words that they don't understand, don't know how to use properly, and can't even spell correctly makes them smarter than everyone else. It's an excellent warning sign and should never be corrected for that reason.
i didn't use that word to sound smarter, i used that word because there's no other word that can substitute it and it was simply the best word to use for what i was intending to say.
If you had any familiarity with that word, then you wouldn't have butchered it so badly. The type of people who use words that they have no firm grasp on—either in meaning or in spelling—are insecure. They think plugging in these unfamiliar words that they don't know how to use or spell somehow compensates for their lack of confidence. It doesn't. It just leads to embarrassing situations like this one where you out yourself as being an insecure retard. Confident people stick to language that is natural and familiar to them because they know that is far more compelling and effective.
I have familiarity with the word because i heard people use it in conversation a lot, but i did not use it in writing for as much as i heard people say the word out loud. Its not that complicated but you are making it complicated because you feel like being petty and spiteful
Meanwhile YOU'VE barely posted anything on Conpro at all. The last time you posted there was a year ago and you spend much more time on KIA2 . Which tells me you aren't really part of the conpro community because you don't like the community for their opinions. which means you don't like me for my opinions either .
yeah, i'm a lurker. take the hint. you come of as a spast. learn some techniques to calm down and work on your demeanor. i got no problem behaving like an asshole, as i enjoy it.
you want to change minds, you wont like this.
i didn't downvote you guys. im not that petty and i've been offline for the last 8 hours since before you guys commented. . . I don't know who did but it wasn't me and im actually not sure why the person is downvoting you .
The Italians were Fascists (Italian National Trade Unionists). So yes, Left wing.
The Germans were National Socialists. So yes, Left wing
The Japanese were something outside of Leftist doctrine because they are not descendent from Rouseau or Marx. Their ideological roots of Japanese Militarism resemble Leftism, as they made Leftist arguments, they governed along political rationalist lines, while embracing the Authoritarianism and Totalitarianism of Left-wing governments, and used a completely invented history like the National Socialists and Fascists did to excuse their behavior.
For their Fascist arguments, it was very common that the militarists would excuse the expansion of their empire as "liberation from western colonialism" and that their empire wasn't really an empire because it wasn't capitalist.
The militarists didn't always lead from the top, but from the middle as effectively the flag officers were seen as the better and more informed people to be leading military operations. In some cases, whole military operation were launched without the knowledge of the government.
The totalitarianism should be obvious enough that I don't need to explain it.
As a result, what Japan had done was adapt Leftism (as Progressivism) to itself despite not embracing Liberalism.
Yes, Imperial Japan was effectively Leftist, just not in any traditional sense.
It doesn't make sense to call Japan right wing, because the Left-Right dichotomy doesn't fit for all the same reasons I just mentioned. Rightism is just "reaction against Leftism". Militarist Japan was also not Conservative, particularly by their own terms. Japan had explicitly abandoned it's old ways since The Great White Fleet and before. It understood that it needed to progress in order to challenge Britain and America. See: The Battle of Shiroyama. The militarists merely wore a skin-suit of Japanese tradition and Samurai code, but most of that was bunk, and the actual Samurai aristocracy and class structure had been dead for a generation.
The Japanese Militarists were effectively, a very unique form of Progressivism that evolved without Marxist doctrine.
Japan has been authoritarian for 99% of its history. Authoritarianism doesn't automatically mean "left wing" . And Japan was run by the military class for most of its history so its been "militarist" for most of its history. Most of the militararists of imperial Japan were descendents of the samurai class anyway.
Also your idea that they used an inverted history is just your opinion, just like its my opinion that you are the one inverting history.
Stop putting words in my mouth you Qatari faggot. I never said authoritarianism was inherently left wing. I said they adopted those traits which are also present in Leftist structures.
You're ignorant to what "militarist" means. An armed aristocracy is not the same as a military junta.
If you can make lies about me saying that i downplayed the grooming gangs and falsely claim that im Qatari than i can put words in your mouth. And i didnt even do that, you were the one who said "while embracing the Authoritarianism and Totalitarianism of Left-wing governments" as a reason for why you consider them leftists.
Also the samurai class was the military class of Japan that just happened to have noble status, its basically the same thing as a military junta except that they had nobility status. the samurai class was started by rogue militias in the first place.
Absolutely not, you're completely backwards. The Samurai Class was the aristocracy, sometimes practicing martial efforts in the same way the Europeans did in the middle ages. The aristocracy used the military as a mechanism for their own social achievement, regardless of whether they ever fought in a single battle or led a single soldier in combat. Militarism requires that society be structured out from the military, and all institutions are governed exclusively by the military, for military purposes.
The samurai became the aristocracy but they started out as rogue militias that had to create a second government to govern the country because the royal family were being too lazy and weren't governing the country and letting criminals go around unchecked. theres a reason why the shogunate (the samurai military government) and the royal family were often competing with each other for political power throughout Japanese history. They were two different entities.
Calling someone a faggot is explicitly allowed, this is not an attack on an identity group. It doesn't seem to be an attack on Qataris as a nationality, just an attack on Telia.
Even milktoast Japanese conservatives like RandomYoko think that FDR was the one that was trying to start a war with Japan during ww2 https://archive.md/Va4ie
Also it seems that Japanese conservatives have taken note of the fact that it was American Democrats that waged war against Axis in ww2. Something that American conservatives haven't taken note of. Apparently to the average American conservative, the Democrats are wrong about everything except ww2.
RandomYoko is not far right. Not even close she doesn't support total closed borders and thought it was a good idea for Japan to take in Hong kong and Ukraine refugees and is in denial about Japan having too many immigrants. , she's more like a neocon then anything
Most normie conservatives try to claim the nazis were leftists. i dont know what planet you live in if you think most Western conservatives say "Hitler was right wing"
Though i do agree that right and left have become meaningless terms and the real war is between nationalism and globalism
i think people more often than not lately just make up whatever qualities they want in a classical political alignment chart
i myself am guilty of this. i have to explain every time in person when i make this argument -- i view "Left" - "Right" as a not a 4-way chart, but a sliding scale from
Left Side: [Authoritarian 100]/[Liberty 0] to Right Side: [Authoritarian 0]/[Liberty 100]
in short lol. yeah, the Left/Right label is becoming more meaningless. Discourse and language is going to change over time and the meanings of Left/Right will change. Much like how the mainstream has co-opted and largely de-weaponised "Woke" (at least in Australia)
The wording isn't so silly when it's used to shutdown and control conversations. I agree in a vacuum you could argue the similarities of each political position, but we don't live in a vacuum. And those distinctions are being used to lie, subvert, and control people
Left of center Japanese are still ethnonationalists though. And considering how homogenous their country is compared to all European nations and the USA, the progression has been comparatively much much slower
Not really. Like i said RandomYoko isn't far right, she has advocated for Hong kong and Ukraine refugees before and is in denial about Japan having too many immigrants last i checked (don't know if that's changed though) , an ethno nationalist wouldn't have done that and yet she is considered a "conservative"
Live in Japan and tell me how included you feel. Not saying it’s a bad thing but they literally believe and teach in school that seasons are unique to Japan and that no other country has seasons.
You're not going to feel included, but it will be a quiet kind of discrimination, publically people aren't really allowed to promote ethno nationalism in Japan.
Western "normie" conservatives would be right. WW2 was an absolute win against a global anti semitic plot to commit genocide against an entire race. People who start arguments with "well lets talk about this" are being tricksters from the start.
No matter how anyone feels about WW2, I do like that more people are at least questioning the narrative.
It's important, because WW2 is the founding myth of the West, and that contributes greatly to liberalism.
You don't have to do a complete inversion, and say that the Allies were the Bad Guys (nowhere near that simple), and the Axis actually did nothing wrong (no, they did some absolutely atrocious shit), but simply questioning the established narrative is itself a good thing, because it's the foundation for a lot of heinous things that have utterly ruined civilization.
Like in many conflicts, everyone sort of sucked in WW2. The winners just got to write the history.
I think you have to go back to the French Revolution to get where we are now. There's no doubt WW2 is an important tool for the big government leftist of today. But the foundation myth is The French Revolution
The Enlightenment in particular was proto Marxism. We need to go back to pre-Enlightenment era https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/19AxQ29FNF/the-enlightenment-was-just-proto/c/
Conpro is leaking again...
Oh wow, you’re a blast from the past. Welcome back, I suppose.
It's too bad the grammar nazis lost. The word you're looking for is "milquetoast".
It's fine - "Milquetoast" was a comic character who got the name because he had the soft inoffensiveness of milk toast.
On the other hand, Telia continues to be a retard for the rest of their argument. A Japanese conservative who mourns the defeat of their demonic death cult and blames Roosevelt because he didn't treat a promise of non-involvement as a suicide pact and responded to a military attack on American soil with military force is not "our guy."
"demonic death cult"
Tell me what Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9 in the bible says
I don't give a shit what the Book of Revelation says. The Japanese spent almost a decade committing non-stop atrocities because their interpretation of Bushido was fundamentally incompatible with the concept of mercy.
im just saying. If you want to claim something is demonic, the bible does mention who they are but you refuse to accept that
To be fair, it's a really weird word. Coincidentally, I just had to look up the spelling the other day when I wanted to use it. "Milquetoast" is quite an odd word.
Don't tell them. The type of people who make that particular misspelling are the types of pompous fart sniffers who think using big words that they don't understand, don't know how to use properly, and can't even spell correctly makes them smarter than everyone else. It's an excellent warning sign and should never be corrected for that reason.
i didn't use that word to sound smarter, i used that word because there's no other word that can substitute it and it was simply the best word to use for what i was intending to say.
"Tepid" or "mild" work pretty well as substitutes for milquetoast.
If you had any familiarity with that word, then you wouldn't have butchered it so badly. The type of people who use words that they have no firm grasp on—either in meaning or in spelling—are insecure. They think plugging in these unfamiliar words that they don't know how to use or spell somehow compensates for their lack of confidence. It doesn't. It just leads to embarrassing situations like this one where you out yourself as being an insecure retard. Confident people stick to language that is natural and familiar to them because they know that is far more compelling and effective.
I have familiarity with the word because i heard people use it in conversation a lot, but i did not use it in writing for as much as i heard people say the word out loud. Its not that complicated but you are making it complicated because you feel like being petty and spiteful
who cares. Most normal people don't know how to spell it off the top of their head and it sounds like "milk"
There's some blatant vote manipulation going on in this entire thread. You must have really pissed off someone.
"someone". More like a certain group of people that want the official narrative of ww2 to never be challenged. .
nah, you're a annoying cunt. if i didn't recognize you from conpro i would think you were a troll trying to parody braindead neonazis.
read more books, spam less frieren.
Meanwhile YOU'VE barely posted anything on Conpro at all. The last time you posted there was a year ago and you spend much more time on KIA2 . Which tells me you aren't really part of the conpro community because you don't like the community for their opinions. which means you don't like me for my opinions either .
yeah, i'm a lurker. take the hint. you come of as a spast. learn some techniques to calm down and work on your demeanor. i got no problem behaving like an asshole, as i enjoy it. you want to change minds, you wont like this.
The bolsheviks won the war.
Right there in the first paragraph is probably the real reason Shinzo Abe was killed.
Maybe it wasn't the reason he was killed but what if that's the reason the intelligence agencies didn't intervene? Didn't provide security?
"Milktoast"
Boneappletea.
It's funny that he's slamming the downvote button almost instantly on these, due to being an embarrassed retard.
i didn't downvote you guys. im not that petty and i've been offline for the last 8 hours since before you guys commented. . . I don't know who did but it wasn't me and im actually not sure why the person is downvoting you .
Maybe people just don't like your attitude in general
The Italians were Fascists (Italian National Trade Unionists). So yes, Left wing.
The Germans were National Socialists. So yes, Left wing
The Japanese were something outside of Leftist doctrine because they are not descendent from Rouseau or Marx. Their ideological roots of Japanese Militarism resemble Leftism, as they made Leftist arguments, they governed along political rationalist lines, while embracing the Authoritarianism and Totalitarianism of Left-wing governments, and used a completely invented history like the National Socialists and Fascists did to excuse their behavior.
For their Fascist arguments, it was very common that the militarists would excuse the expansion of their empire as "liberation from western colonialism" and that their empire wasn't really an empire because it wasn't capitalist.
The militarists didn't always lead from the top, but from the middle as effectively the flag officers were seen as the better and more informed people to be leading military operations. In some cases, whole military operation were launched without the knowledge of the government.
The totalitarianism should be obvious enough that I don't need to explain it.
As a result, what Japan had done was adapt Leftism (as Progressivism) to itself despite not embracing Liberalism.
Yes, Imperial Japan was effectively Leftist, just not in any traditional sense.
It doesn't make sense to call Japan right wing, because the Left-Right dichotomy doesn't fit for all the same reasons I just mentioned. Rightism is just "reaction against Leftism". Militarist Japan was also not Conservative, particularly by their own terms. Japan had explicitly abandoned it's old ways since The Great White Fleet and before. It understood that it needed to progress in order to challenge Britain and America. See: The Battle of Shiroyama. The militarists merely wore a skin-suit of Japanese tradition and Samurai code, but most of that was bunk, and the actual Samurai aristocracy and class structure had been dead for a generation.
The Japanese Militarists were effectively, a very unique form of Progressivism that evolved without Marxist doctrine.
Japan has been authoritarian for 99% of its history. Authoritarianism doesn't automatically mean "left wing" . And Japan was run by the military class for most of its history so its been "militarist" for most of its history. Most of the militararists of imperial Japan were descendents of the samurai class anyway.
Also your idea that they used an inverted history is just your opinion, just like its my opinion that you are the one inverting history.
Stop putting words in my mouth you Qatari faggot. I never said authoritarianism was inherently left wing. I said they adopted those traits which are also present in Leftist structures.
You're ignorant to what "militarist" means. An armed aristocracy is not the same as a military junta.
If you can make lies about me saying that i downplayed the grooming gangs and falsely claim that im Qatari than i can put words in your mouth. And i didnt even do that, you were the one who said "while embracing the Authoritarianism and Totalitarianism of Left-wing governments" as a reason for why you consider them leftists.
Also the samurai class was the military class of Japan that just happened to have noble status, its basically the same thing as a military junta except that they had nobility status. the samurai class was started by rogue militias in the first place.
Absolutely not, you're completely backwards. The Samurai Class was the aristocracy, sometimes practicing martial efforts in the same way the Europeans did in the middle ages. The aristocracy used the military as a mechanism for their own social achievement, regardless of whether they ever fought in a single battle or led a single soldier in combat. Militarism requires that society be structured out from the military, and all institutions are governed exclusively by the military, for military purposes.
This, is not a militarist society, it is an aristocracy exploiting the military.
The samurai became the aristocracy but they started out as rogue militias that had to create a second government to govern the country because the royal family were being too lazy and weren't governing the country and letting criminals go around unchecked. theres a reason why the shogunate (the samurai military government) and the royal family were often competing with each other for political power throughout Japanese history. They were two different entities.
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Calling someone a faggot is explicitly allowed, this is not an attack on an identity group. It doesn't seem to be an attack on Qataris as a nationality, just an attack on Telia.
Even milktoast Japanese conservatives like RandomYoko think that FDR was the one that was trying to start a war with Japan during ww2 https://archive.md/Va4ie
Also it seems that Japanese conservatives have taken note of the fact that it was American Democrats that waged war against Axis in ww2. Something that American conservatives haven't taken note of. Apparently to the average American conservative, the Democrats are wrong about everything except ww2.
RandomYoko is not far right. Not even close she doesn't support total closed borders and thought it was a good idea for Japan to take in Hong kong and Ukraine refugees and is in denial about Japan having too many immigrants. , she's more like a neocon then anything
Most normie conservatives try to claim the nazis were leftists. i dont know what planet you live in if you think most Western conservatives say "Hitler was right wing"
Though i do agree that right and left have become meaningless terms and the real war is between nationalism and globalism
i think people more often than not lately just make up whatever qualities they want in a classical political alignment chart
i myself am guilty of this. i have to explain every time in person when i make this argument -- i view "Left" - "Right" as a not a 4-way chart, but a sliding scale from
Left Side: [Authoritarian 100]/[Liberty 0] to Right Side: [Authoritarian 0]/[Liberty 100]
in short lol. yeah, the Left/Right label is becoming more meaningless. Discourse and language is going to change over time and the meanings of Left/Right will change. Much like how the mainstream has co-opted and largely de-weaponised "Woke" (at least in Australia)
The wording isn't so silly when it's used to shutdown and control conversations. I agree in a vacuum you could argue the similarities of each political position, but we don't live in a vacuum. And those distinctions are being used to lie, subvert, and control people
Left of center Japanese are still ethnonationalists though. And considering how homogenous their country is compared to all European nations and the USA, the progression has been comparatively much much slower
Not really. Like i said RandomYoko isn't far right, she has advocated for Hong kong and Ukraine refugees before and is in denial about Japan having too many immigrants last i checked (don't know if that's changed though) , an ethno nationalist wouldn't have done that and yet she is considered a "conservative"
Live in Japan and tell me how included you feel. Not saying it’s a bad thing but they literally believe and teach in school that seasons are unique to Japan and that no other country has seasons.
You're not going to feel included, but it will be a quiet kind of discrimination, publically people aren't really allowed to promote ethno nationalism in Japan.
Western "normie" conservatives would be right. WW2 was an absolute win against a global anti semitic plot to commit genocide against an entire race. People who start arguments with "well lets talk about this" are being tricksters from the start.
stop being a philosemite
Obligatory reminder that the funny mustache man wanted to ship them all to Jerusalem.
https://bazarrna.com/ben-gurion-1933/