It's fun we have two massive failures to laugh at at the same time.
Just checked: AC Shadows is still stuck at 60k Steam peak players. Didn't even get much of a weekend bump. Climbed from 40k to 60k gradually, was 60k Saturday, Sunday, and so far today.
We might see another bump if there's a big patch and sale or something, and it's too soon to say definitively, but it seems stuck so far. At less than Veilguard numbers. Owch.
And, yes, I do think Ubi's launcher is more used than EA's, so it's not apples and apples, but still.
Someone who didn't actually exist, too. They had plenty of people to choose from, but they decided to go with someone mentioned in the account of a single Jesuit's journal that was proven to be filled with countless fabrications, who was never mentioned by any other historical account, and who was never even mentioned in the trip heading towards Japan in the first place, to be the most eligible person to choose as their main character.
The whole project was retarded from start to finish.
Its even funnier because not only could they give "The AC everyone always wanted" but also brought in all the forgotten Tenchu fans back from the forgotten pages of history and had a whole new demographic on top.
Instead Ninja Gaiden pulled out of the ether to steal some of their shine and they pissed off everyone possible otherwise.
We have a serious competency crisis brought on by DEI. They locked straight white dudes out of western entertainment, and now western entertainment sucks.
Since 2020, not a single white man has even been nominated (of 25 total nominations). The past decade has seen 70 finalists for the Center for Fiction’s First Novel Prize—with again, not a single straight white American millennial man. Of 14 millennial finalists for the National Book Award during that same time period, exactly zero are white men. The Wallace Stegner Fellowship at Stanford, a launching pad for young writers, currently has zero white male fiction and poetry fellows (of 25 fiction fellows since 2020, just one was a white man). Perhaps most astonishingly, not a single white American man born after 1984 has published a work of literary fiction in The New Yorker (at least 24, and probably closer to 30, younger millennials have been published in total).
Just imagine how much talent is going down the drain. If Shakespeare, Dante, Goethe, Vergil were alive today, they'd be told to f off because they're privileged white boys. No wonder nothing worth reading exists. People aren't being awarded and published based on their skills but on their melanin & vagina count.
A lot of it is booming because there are a bajillion Chinamen and they will buy anything made in China because they have strong nationalistic tendencies like that. So its probably mostly actual, but non-indicative of anything beyond "was made in China."
The Wukong game broke so many playercount records you'd think it was a generation defining masterpiece, but instead it was forgotten within a few months and nobody has thought about it since because it was just "decent action game, but China".
None of this is a problem really, but its one of those necessary contexts when comparing their industry to our own.
Unless you think Transformers and Fast and the Furious are the best franchises in American movie history, because that's what China thinks is "top dollar quality."
Unless you think Transformers and Fast and the Furious are the best franchises in American movie history, because that's what China thinks is "top dollar quality."
As an aside, I see a lot of cinephiles who raged at 'cletus and Joanne' for buying anything Micheal Bay has made go really quiet when this is mentioned.
I mean, those types probably did make up a lot of the American audience, but there just aren't that many of them to turn it into a billion dollar franchise each.
Way more, this is gross, not net. Even if the budget was 240-270 million (fat lie). Promoting/ marketing/ advertising is a huge cost and movie theaters still get their cut too.
Only a handful of movies in history have had successive weekends as successful as the opening weekend and they were obviously way better. Basically, snow white doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell lol
For those wondering, Ne Zha 2 is a Chinese children’s animated movie which made 77 million its opening weekend and is #5 on the highest grossing films of all time not adjusted for inflation.
Well, the rulers of China wouldn't much like that. Like Brezhnev's mother supposedly told him in an old Russian joke when visiting the opulence that was the Kremlin: but Leonid, what if the communists return?
I don't know about the other films on the list, but I'm pretty sure Mickey 17 and Captain America both underperformed. Being behind them is not exactly something to brag about.
I've been burned before by people on the right cheering about a movie/game failing, only for it to not have failed. So I'll wait and see before I judge.
Where are you getting that billion number? Surely, they did not think Snow Brownie and Seven Magical Creatures would make a billion. Did they?
According to the NYT, the movie cost "at least $350 million" to make and market. Where is the other $650 million coming from? Just as I'm writing this, I realize that (obviously) the theaters also take a cut. Is that it? Theaters taking 2/3 makes sense.
It comes from the production budget you mentioned, plus 100+ million that they spent on advertising. The total cost is around 500 million. Since the theaters keep half of the box office, the box office needs to be a billion for Disney to get their half of it.
Edit: FYI, the budget reported by the NYT is way low. They included the original production budget and an estimate for the marketing, but left out the cost of the multiple rounds of reshoots that have been done during the years of delays.
Snow White is one of their most important franchises and most of their previous live actions broke the billion dollar mark, even the ones that were completely forgotten in a week like Aladdin.
Number autism aside, they absolutely expected it to break a billion easy like Lion King (their other most important franchise) did.
I read an article that compared it to the Mufasa movie. It had a bad opening weekend but lingered in the theaters to become a hit. So it's probably too soon to call it a bust. But one could enjoy the initial schadenfreude
Opening weekend is still a decent predictor, but who knows, maybe enough dems will buyout theaters to inflate the numbers like they did with both of the black panther movies.
Right, it is, but I'm not sure what is 'good' and what is 'bad'. To tell you the truth, 88 million internationally doesn't sound bad to me. If they make thrice that, they've made the budget. And then people say that marketing costs come on top of that. But I don't know anything about this stuff, so who knows?
Usually if Disney says it’s x budget you can tag another 50-100 million they’re not reporting (reshoots, Hollywood accounting, etc) then double it for promotions. Realistically the break even point for these movies would be around 600 million. The few times we’ve seen the receipts Disney has always underreported their budget and never report marketing costs.
Hollywood accounting. Let’s say they ran 1/3 of their advertising costs through Hulu, FX, ABC, etc. that’s Disney putting money and business back into their other pockets and since every film is its own “company” anymore they can rape it for all it’s worth, then write it off as a loss while their other companies make a profit.
It's fun we have two massive failures to laugh at at the same time.
Just checked: AC Shadows is still stuck at 60k Steam peak players. Didn't even get much of a weekend bump. Climbed from 40k to 60k gradually, was 60k Saturday, Sunday, and so far today.
We might see another bump if there's a big patch and sale or something, and it's too soon to say definitively, but it seems stuck so far. At less than Veilguard numbers. Owch.
And, yes, I do think Ubi's launcher is more used than EA's, so it's not apples and apples, but still.
AC in Japan was Ubisoft's magic card they could play at any time and be a huge hit. They managed to monumentally fuck it up.
This is what toxic positivity does, no one dared say that having Yasuke as the main character was a bad idea.
It's actually impressive. Most famous assassins in all of history? Nah, let's make the MC a black dude that happens to be a samurai.
Someone who didn't actually exist, too. They had plenty of people to choose from, but they decided to go with someone mentioned in the account of a single Jesuit's journal that was proven to be filled with countless fabrications, who was never mentioned by any other historical account, and who was never even mentioned in the trip heading towards Japan in the first place, to be the most eligible person to choose as their main character.
The whole project was retarded from start to finish.
Its even funnier because not only could they give "The AC everyone always wanted" but also brought in all the forgotten Tenchu fans back from the forgotten pages of history and had a whole new demographic on top.
Instead Ninja Gaiden pulled out of the ether to steal some of their shine and they pissed off everyone possible otherwise.
Ubisoft will just straight not allow you to play their games without it, even a lot of their console versions will force you to log in to it to play.
I don't play many EA games but I don't think its been nearly as forced Ubi with it, at least not as openly and directly.
It was the woke weekend of fail.
Tell me movies are dead without telling me movies are dead.
I've seen Dog Man, it was trash so it looks like the entire industry is bombing.
A much better title would be, has leftism finally killed Hollywood?
We have a serious competency crisis brought on by DEI. They locked straight white dudes out of western entertainment, and now western entertainment sucks.
It's astonishing how they have ruined books.
Just imagine how much talent is going down the drain. If Shakespeare, Dante, Goethe, Vergil were alive today, they'd be told to f off because they're privileged white boys. No wonder nothing worth reading exists. People aren't being awarded and published based on their skills but on their melanin & vagina count.
"Why do white men hate progressivism?"
Chinas movie industry is booming, whether actual or artificial who knows, but they have the top grossing movie of the year overwhelmingly.
A lot of it is booming because there are a bajillion Chinamen and they will buy anything made in China because they have strong nationalistic tendencies like that. So its probably mostly actual, but non-indicative of anything beyond "was made in China."
The Wukong game broke so many playercount records you'd think it was a generation defining masterpiece, but instead it was forgotten within a few months and nobody has thought about it since because it was just "decent action game, but China".
None of this is a problem really, but its one of those necessary contexts when comparing their industry to our own.
Unless you think Transformers and Fast and the Furious are the best franchises in American movie history, because that's what China thinks is "top dollar quality."
As an aside, I see a lot of cinephiles who raged at 'cletus and Joanne' for buying anything Micheal Bay has made go really quiet when this is mentioned.
I mean, those types probably did make up a lot of the American audience, but there just aren't that many of them to turn it into a billion dollar franchise each.
Now they just need ten more weekends just like it if they want to break even.
Way more, this is gross, not net. Even if the budget was 240-270 million (fat lie). Promoting/ marketing/ advertising is a huge cost and movie theaters still get their cut too.
Only a handful of movies in history have had successive weekends as successful as the opening weekend and they were obviously way better. Basically, snow white doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell lol
For those wondering, Ne Zha 2 is a Chinese children’s animated movie which made 77 million its opening weekend and is #5 on the highest grossing films of all time not adjusted for inflation.
I assume Chinese children's animated movies aren't promoting transgenderism.
Hopefully Ne Zha 2 isn't promoting communism either.
Well, the rulers of China wouldn't much like that. Like Brezhnev's mother supposedly told him in an old Russian joke when visiting the opulence that was the Kremlin: but Leonid, what if the communists return?
I heard about none of those except Captain America, and that one was only because of someone's review of it here.
And here I thought everyone had heard of Ne Zha 2 /s lol
I don't know about the other films on the list, but I'm pretty sure Mickey 17 and Captain America both underperformed. Being behind them is not exactly something to brag about.
edit: wrong fucking thread reply. I'm totally on the ball today.
I've been burned before by people on the right cheering about a movie/game failing, only for it to not have failed. So I'll wait and see before I judge.
It has to hit a billion at the box office to break even. There is no need to wait on this one. They aren't even going to come close.
Where are you getting that billion number? Surely, they did not think Snow Brownie and Seven Magical Creatures would make a billion. Did they?
According to the NYT, the movie cost "at least $350 million" to make and market. Where is the other $650 million coming from? Just as I'm writing this, I realize that (obviously) the theaters also take a cut. Is that it? Theaters taking 2/3 makes sense.
That said, looking up how much they spent on it, looks like the MSM is also not very impressed with these numbers: Disney’s ‘Snow White’ Has a Sleepy Box Office Start
It comes from the production budget you mentioned, plus 100+ million that they spent on advertising. The total cost is around 500 million. Since the theaters keep half of the box office, the box office needs to be a billion for Disney to get their half of it.
Edit: FYI, the budget reported by the NYT is way low. They included the original production budget and an estimate for the marketing, but left out the cost of the multiple rounds of reshoots that have been done during the years of delays.
Snow White is one of their most important franchises and most of their previous live actions broke the billion dollar mark, even the ones that were completely forgotten in a week like Aladdin.
Number autism aside, they absolutely expected it to break a billion easy like Lion King (their other most important franchise) did.
I read an article that compared it to the Mufasa movie. It had a bad opening weekend but lingered in the theaters to become a hit. So it's probably too soon to call it a bust. But one could enjoy the initial schadenfreude
Opening weekend is still a decent predictor, but who knows, maybe enough dems will buyout theaters to inflate the numbers like they did with both of the black panther movies.
Right, it is, but I'm not sure what is 'good' and what is 'bad'. To tell you the truth, 88 million internationally doesn't sound bad to me. If they make thrice that, they've made the budget. And then people say that marketing costs come on top of that. But I don't know anything about this stuff, so who knows?
Usually if Disney says it’s x budget you can tag another 50-100 million they’re not reporting (reshoots, Hollywood accounting, etc) then double it for promotions. Realistically the break even point for these movies would be around 600 million. The few times we’ve seen the receipts Disney has always underreported their budget and never report marketing costs.
Thanks, makes sense. Although... why on earth would you spend $300 million to promote a sure failure?
Hollywood accounting. Let’s say they ran 1/3 of their advertising costs through Hulu, FX, ABC, etc. that’s Disney putting money and business back into their other pockets and since every film is its own “company” anymore they can rape it for all it’s worth, then write it off as a loss while their other companies make a profit.