To be clear, the BSW is only nominally anti-woke. They're an astroturfed "left-wing anti-immigration" party that was planted by the establishment as a spoiler for the AFD.
They're stupid if they did that. The combined AFD+BSW vote is now greater than the AFD alone would have been. Hell, it looks like an absolute majority in Thuringia.
The BSW is against the regime on all the stuff that matters to them: immigration, wokeness, endless support for getting Ukrainians killed. They're left-wing on issues where all European right-wing populist parties are left-wing: economic issues.
You are talking bullshit, BSW is a left wing anti-woke and anti-inmigration party and AfD is exactly the same but right wing, and the traditional woke left-wing party, Die Linke, has been left well behind the BSW, it can only be positive news that woke left parties are being overtaken by the BSW, they were never a competition for right wing parties, it is the traditional left the biggest loser of votes towards BSW.
You're being a little too hopeful. Sahra Wagenknecht is an Iranian Communist. Her entire "movement" has been astroturfed by the media. She is not trustworthy.
This is a bit sensationalized, isn't it? In neither state does a coalition between these parties even create a majority. "Crushing defeat" ????
I think the Le Pen approach is better here -- the tide appears to be turning, lots of ground gained, but acknowledgement that there's so much more work to be done.
I think it can be forgiven as celebrating the 'breakthrough' since the right in Germany has been so maligned thanks to an Austrian painter so they finally have a solid foothold.
Now it's time for the breakout and to start getting more areas out from under the globalist thumb
Exactly right, IMO. I just disagree with using terminology like "crushing defeat" when it's, as you say, a good foothold and not actually a crushing defeat. I also think language like that can get people relaxed when moments like this are actually the most critical to push hardest.
In a parliamentary system, this is a crushing defeat. You do not need a majority to make life almost impossible for the establishment parties.
Of course there's work to be done. The fact that even a single person would get out and vote for the establishment which has been destroying everything is sad.
That is unfortunately a loss. Being behind the Merkel's CDU despite all that happened lately means Germans haven't learned anything.
The AfD won't be part of any government. The CDU will form a coalition with far-left parties and voters will realize in a few years they've been scammed once again.
This isn't Merkel's CDU, this is the CDU of a guy who called immigration a national emergency.
Worst case scenario is that anti-immigration sentiments are becoming even more mainstream politically, and a lot of CDU/BSW voters will defect next time to the AfD when they fail to deliver.
That's the reason why Germany is doomed: people are falling for liars like Blackrock Merz. Even here it seems. He likes to talk big, especially before elections, but words are cheap.
Looks at where the CDU is actually in power right now and what they're doing: NRW, Berlin, Verfassungsschutz, EU commission, the mayor of Essen who cooperates openly with Antifa against the AfD, the CDU politician who spearheads the AfD federal ban, wherever people complain about yet another refugee housing center there's a CDU "Landrat" who says "I don't care, the migrants are coming to your neighborhood" and the list goes on and on and on.
If you really think Merz had a change of heart, then why is the rest of his party doing the exact opposite? Why is the party in its actions still fully aligned with the Merkel era? It's all theater to deceive voters so the establishment can keep doing business as usual.
That's the reason why Germany is doomed: people are falling for liars like Blackrock Merz. Even here it seems. He likes to talk big, especially before elections, but words are cheap.
Politicians are liars. I take that as granted. The question is: why has the Union moved from 'wir schaffen das" to demanding an immigration emergency.
It's because they keep losing. And they will continue losing unless they do something.
If you really think Merz had a change of heart
I don't know the man. Given that he is a politician, I'd say he has no heart and only calculations. The calculations at the moment is that it's very bad to come out in favor of immigration. That is a win in and of itself: to go from Merkel winning on a platform of "wir schaffen das" to anti-immigration parties making up a large majority.
It's all theater to deceive voters so the establishment can keep doing business as usual.
They will certainly try, if they can get away with it.
Do they? Even without doing anything at all they're polling in first place nationwide.
anti-immigration parties making up a large majority.
The CDU is still staunchly pro-mass migration. Again: Merz's speeches are just PR and not representative of what the party is actually doing where its in power. The people in power behind Merz are still fully in the Merkel camp.
Do they? Even without doing anything at all they're polling in first place nationwide.
And they're losing a lot of people who'd otherwise support them even while they, as you say, pretend to be anti-immigration.
The CDU is still staunchly pro-mass migration. Again: Merz's speeches are just PR and not representative of what the party is actually doing where its in power. The people in power behind Merz are still fully in the Merkel camp.
Yes, I'm not naive to think that the 'party leader' is actually in charge, especially when what he says goes against elite consensus. But even so, it is far superior to have anti-immigration be the mainstream and the majority (even if they just pretend as you say) than for it to be the fringe position of the "Nazis" and the "center-right" being the openly pro-invasion party.
They'll immediately declare that the AFD is an illegal party and dismiss all votes against them because one time some dude that voted for them once had a picture taken with a swastika.
Having just been encountering (online. I’m not there obviously) and reading about fuckery in NRW and the Palatinate, this is at least something, I guess…
Oh and of course dumb shit in Berlin. But it is Berlin, so that’s kind of a given.
Meanwhile in Aus it really feels like we have lost the plot. Everyone keeps saying “everything is fine”, but it doesn’t feel fine, and I’m definitely not alone in thinking that.
To be clear, the BSW is only nominally anti-woke. They're an astroturfed "left-wing anti-immigration" party that was planted by the establishment as a spoiler for the AFD.
They're stupid if they did that. The combined AFD+BSW vote is now greater than the AFD alone would have been. Hell, it looks like an absolute majority in Thuringia.
The BSW is against the regime on all the stuff that matters to them: immigration, wokeness, endless support for getting Ukrainians killed. They're left-wing on issues where all European right-wing populist parties are left-wing: economic issues.
You are talking bullshit, BSW is a left wing anti-woke and anti-inmigration party and AfD is exactly the same but right wing, and the traditional woke left-wing party, Die Linke, has been left well behind the BSW, it can only be positive news that woke left parties are being overtaken by the BSW, they were never a competition for right wing parties, it is the traditional left the biggest loser of votes towards BSW.
You're being a little too hopeful. Sahra Wagenknecht is an Iranian Communist. Her entire "movement" has been astroturfed by the media. She is not trustworthy.
The got people in high positions who don't want deportations, they're not delectable IMHO.
Remember when Klaus Shwab said he'd AstroTurf forums. Be careful out there kids.
Both were East German states during the Cold War.
Some still remember, I guess. Wasn't THAT long ago.
This is a bit sensationalized, isn't it? In neither state does a coalition between these parties even create a majority. "Crushing defeat" ????
I think the Le Pen approach is better here -- the tide appears to be turning, lots of ground gained, but acknowledgement that there's so much more work to be done.
I think it can be forgiven as celebrating the 'breakthrough' since the right in Germany has been so maligned thanks to an Austrian painter so they finally have a solid foothold.
Now it's time for the breakout and to start getting more areas out from under the globalist thumb
Exactly right, IMO. I just disagree with using terminology like "crushing defeat" when it's, as you say, a good foothold and not actually a crushing defeat. I also think language like that can get people relaxed when moments like this are actually the most critical to push hardest.
In a parliamentary system, this is a crushing defeat. You do not need a majority to make life almost impossible for the establishment parties.
Of course there's work to be done. The fact that even a single person would get out and vote for the establishment which has been destroying everything is sad.
That is unfortunately a loss. Being behind the Merkel's CDU despite all that happened lately means Germans haven't learned anything.
The AfD won't be part of any government. The CDU will form a coalition with far-left parties and voters will realize in a few years they've been scammed once again.
This isn't Merkel's CDU, this is the CDU of a guy who called immigration a national emergency.
Worst case scenario is that anti-immigration sentiments are becoming even more mainstream politically, and a lot of CDU/BSW voters will defect next time to the AfD when they fail to deliver.
That's the reason why Germany is doomed: people are falling for liars like Blackrock Merz. Even here it seems. He likes to talk big, especially before elections, but words are cheap.
Looks at where the CDU is actually in power right now and what they're doing: NRW, Berlin, Verfassungsschutz, EU commission, the mayor of Essen who cooperates openly with Antifa against the AfD, the CDU politician who spearheads the AfD federal ban, wherever people complain about yet another refugee housing center there's a CDU "Landrat" who says "I don't care, the migrants are coming to your neighborhood" and the list goes on and on and on.
If you really think Merz had a change of heart, then why is the rest of his party doing the exact opposite? Why is the party in its actions still fully aligned with the Merkel era? It's all theater to deceive voters so the establishment can keep doing business as usual.
Politicians are liars. I take that as granted. The question is: why has the Union moved from 'wir schaffen das" to demanding an immigration emergency.
It's because they keep losing. And they will continue losing unless they do something.
I don't know the man. Given that he is a politician, I'd say he has no heart and only calculations. The calculations at the moment is that it's very bad to come out in favor of immigration. That is a win in and of itself: to go from Merkel winning on a platform of "wir schaffen das" to anti-immigration parties making up a large majority.
They will certainly try, if they can get away with it.
Do they? Even without doing anything at all they're polling in first place nationwide.
The CDU is still staunchly pro-mass migration. Again: Merz's speeches are just PR and not representative of what the party is actually doing where its in power. The people in power behind Merz are still fully in the Merkel camp.
And they're losing a lot of people who'd otherwise support them even while they, as you say, pretend to be anti-immigration.
Yes, I'm not naive to think that the 'party leader' is actually in charge, especially when what he says goes against elite consensus. But even so, it is far superior to have anti-immigration be the mainstream and the majority (even if they just pretend as you say) than for it to be the fringe position of the "Nazis" and the "center-right" being the openly pro-invasion party.
They'll immediately declare that the AFD is an illegal party and dismiss all votes against them because one time some dude that voted for them once had a picture taken with a swastika.
Having just been encountering (online. I’m not there obviously) and reading about fuckery in NRW and the Palatinate, this is at least something, I guess…
Oh and of course dumb shit in Berlin. But it is Berlin, so that’s kind of a given.
Meanwhile in Aus it really feels like we have lost the plot. Everyone keeps saying “everything is fine”, but it doesn’t feel fine, and I’m definitely not alone in thinking that.
But GDP go up, so all’s good, yeah? /s
They will hide the numbers, but not out of embarrassment. They are shameless.
Recount incoming
Alternative for Deuchland Uber Alles
Not before time.
Yet another reminder that you must get out and vote for Trump in November.
Not enough. The other parties will just coalesce to 'keep the far right out.'