Unfortunately it doesn't count until AfD has more votes than every other party put together. It's not enough to be the biggest, you have to be bigger than the entire anti-German coalition they'll form to stop you.
The more parties they need and the more 'diverse' this coalition is, the more trouble they will have. It seems that you will need to include wither the AfD or the left-wing populist Wagenknecht league, which will be a serious headache for the regime.
Hell, the current federal government consists of the Social Democrats, Greens and Liberals, and even they have been engaged in non-stop infighting - despite their differences in actual substance if not posturing being rather minor, at least in my opinion.
Le Pen is actually 'the left' - she's to the left of the Socialists and Macron on economic issues.
Considering that our American friends keep calling everyone slightly to the left of Milton Friedman a 'Bolshevik' or 'Stalinist', it remains a surprise about how they like Le Pen. But even as she is to my left on economics (I'm already way to the left of the avg American), at least she isn't actively destroying the country.
No, you're demanding. The rest of your fellow Europeans are happy to suckle at our teat while your military equipment rots in storage. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to leave your stinking continent alone, but your governments don't want to lose all that free money and protection.
If there's one thing European governments are good at is taking our handouts while whining about how mean and dumb we are.
They're talking about 'deportations' of illegals, who aren't supposed to be here to begin with. To make any headway, they would have to deport all the people and their descendants whom previous German governments foolishly gave German citizenship.
Doesn't matter. Too many voters got duped by the spoiler party BSW and now Merkel's CDU will be able to lead a government coalition in those states. They'll get the same old leftist, open borders, green new deal establishment they've had before.
This was likely the last chance the AfD had because now the government will ramp up persecution even more, potentially even ban them.
I also think that they will exclude the AfD from a coalition, because the AfD has been demonized far and beyond any European populist party - and it's Germany.
Likely, CDU and SW (if they reach a majority) will have a coalition that will carry out the stuff that the AfD wants to take the wind out of its sails.
Second most likely is that they will say "the people have spoken" and flip-flop on not co-operating with the AfD like the parties in NL did.
This changes nothing. The AfD needs close to 50% or the socialist unity party will form a coalition against them.
This is also just 2 states. The AfD gets maybe 15% in all of Germany, much less in the west. It's only a local phenomenon and Germans haven't learned anything.
There remains nothing to be seen. All the other socialist unity party members have ruled out a coalition with the AfD. Which means the two state governments will be headed by Merkel's CDU with the support of whichever far-left parties made it above 5%.
Most likely both states will be run by CDU + BSW (the spoiler specifically hyped up to prevent the AfD from winning).
I keep being surprised that you think all or most of the BSW votes would go to the AfD.
In Thuringia at least, the AfD improved its result while BSW also got double digits.I find this very reasonable. A lot of people style themselves as being 'on the left' while also being reasonable on issues like immigration and culture, same as SW.
Again, people said all the same things you say now (and believe me, I don't begrudge you your pessimism living in Europe and Germany of all places) about the Netherlands, where there were also "spoiler" anti-establishment parties as you would call them. And now they have a new government including Geert Wilders.
At the very least, this is going to scare the living daylights out of the regime. In my judgment, they are less interested in flooding us with immigrants than they are in self-preservation.
Sure, other left-wing parties lost some percentages but their main goal has been achieved: they've prevented an AfD government. It's not like CDU+BSW are going to do things differently than the red-greens, so the losses are minor as long as the left-wing establishment remains intact.
I don't think there's any chance BSW will cooperate with the AfD. That's wishful thinking. They've said they wouldn't. They are from far-left parties. And I don't think they have the fortitude to stand up the the barrage of attacks that the media, Antifa and the state would direct their way.
This may be true in an unconstrained situation. But here you have a situation where the AfD is breathing down their necks. They will have to.
Yea? Remember 2015? And yet here we are, 9 years later and nothing has changed.
Their strategy isn't to confront the AfD based on politics like they always claim. Their strategy is to keep the AfD small with tricks (e.g. spoilers like BSW or giving citizenship to hordes of foreigners, "Geheimtreffen", Verfassungsschutz), cheats (e.g. software errors) and eventually a ban.
Unfortunately it doesn't count until AfD has more votes than every other party put together. It's not enough to be the biggest, you have to be bigger than the entire anti-German coalition they'll form to stop you.
The more parties they need and the more 'diverse' this coalition is, the more trouble they will have. It seems that you will need to include wither the AfD or the left-wing populist Wagenknecht league, which will be a serious headache for the regime.
Hell, the current federal government consists of the Social Democrats, Greens and Liberals, and even they have been engaged in non-stop infighting - despite their differences in actual substance if not posturing being rather minor, at least in my opinion.
Remember what happened in the UK and France.
Right: 40% vs. Left/Ind coalition:60%
= "LEFT WINS ELECTION!"
Le Pen is actually 'the left' - she's to the left of the Socialists and Macron on economic issues.
Considering that our American friends keep calling everyone slightly to the left of Milton Friedman a 'Bolshevik' or 'Stalinist', it remains a surprise about how they like Le Pen. But even as she is to my left on economics (I'm already way to the left of the avg American), at least she isn't actively destroying the country.
How about you stay out of our politics that doesn't directly affect you, and we continue to stay out of your politics that don't affect us?
We are home retard. You're the ones latching onto a site built for American politics, not us.
No, you're demanding. The rest of your fellow Europeans are happy to suckle at our teat while your military equipment rots in storage. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to leave your stinking continent alone, but your governments don't want to lose all that free money and protection.
If there's one thing European governments are good at is taking our handouts while whining about how mean and dumb we are.
Too little, too late.
Germany is dead, HermXny is the zombie nation that came in its place.
Considering deportations and "remigration" are entering the public sphere as acceptable answers to the issue, it may yet be solved in the end.
Too little, too late.
They're talking about 'deportations' of illegals, who aren't supposed to be here to begin with. To make any headway, they would have to deport all the people and their descendants whom previous German governments foolishly gave German citizenship.
Something is always better than nothing and late is better than never.
Doesn't matter. Too many voters got duped by the spoiler party BSW and now Merkel's CDU will be able to lead a government coalition in those states. They'll get the same old leftist, open borders, green new deal establishment they've had before.
This was likely the last chance the AfD had because now the government will ramp up persecution even more, potentially even ban them.
I also think that they will exclude the AfD from a coalition, because the AfD has been demonized far and beyond any European populist party - and it's Germany.
Likely, CDU and SW (if they reach a majority) will have a coalition that will carry out the stuff that the AfD wants to take the wind out of its sails.
Second most likely is that they will say "the people have spoken" and flip-flop on not co-operating with the AfD like the parties in NL did.
This changes nothing. The AfD needs close to 50% or the socialist unity party will form a coalition against them.
This is also just 2 states. The AfD gets maybe 15% in all of Germany, much less in the west. It's only a local phenomenon and Germans haven't learned anything.
There remains nothing to be seen. All the other socialist unity party members have ruled out a coalition with the AfD. Which means the two state governments will be headed by Merkel's CDU with the support of whichever far-left parties made it above 5%.
Most likely both states will be run by CDU + BSW (the spoiler specifically hyped up to prevent the AfD from winning).
I keep being surprised that you think all or most of the BSW votes would go to the AfD.
In Thuringia at least, the AfD improved its result while BSW also got double digits.I find this very reasonable. A lot of people style themselves as being 'on the left' while also being reasonable on issues like immigration and culture, same as SW.
Again, people said all the same things you say now (and believe me, I don't begrudge you your pessimism living in Europe and Germany of all places) about the Netherlands, where there were also "spoiler" anti-establishment parties as you would call them. And now they have a new government including Geert Wilders.
At the very least, this is going to scare the living daylights out of the regime. In my judgment, they are less interested in flooding us with immigrants than they are in self-preservation.
Sure, other left-wing parties lost some percentages but their main goal has been achieved: they've prevented an AfD government. It's not like CDU+BSW are going to do things differently than the red-greens, so the losses are minor as long as the left-wing establishment remains intact.
I don't think there's any chance BSW will cooperate with the AfD. That's wishful thinking. They've said they wouldn't. They are from far-left parties. And I don't think they have the fortitude to stand up the the barrage of attacks that the media, Antifa and the state would direct their way.
Their only goal is self-preservation. They believe in nothing.
This may be true in an unconstrained situation. But here you have a situation where the AfD is breathing down their necks. They will have to.
Politicians say a lot of things. It's so easy for them to evade what they said. The people have spoken. Or, now there is no other way.
This may be true. It seems to be worse in Germany than even other European countries.
Yea? Remember 2015? And yet here we are, 9 years later and nothing has changed.
Their strategy isn't to confront the AfD based on politics like they always claim. Their strategy is to keep the AfD small with tricks (e.g. spoilers like BSW or giving citizenship to hordes of foreigners, "Geheimtreffen", Verfassungsschutz), cheats (e.g. software errors) and eventually a ban.
Called it: https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/deutschland/2024/bsw-errichtet-brandmauer-gegen-afd/
BSW is nothing but a fraud to secure the establishment's power.
Wait, are we doing a reverse iron curtain in this bitch with how this election worked on the map?
The countries east of the Iron Curtain are now the reasonable ones. They didn't get their culture wrecked in the 1960s.
Very based.
Why did that happen?
If Germans rise up, does that make it a reich?
UK government - “we failed in Ireland/India but this time we can arrest our way to success genociding the local people”