391 BC. Democracy was still in it's infancy but we knew what women would do with it.
From wiki- "Aristophanes’ plays mostly derive their narratives on absurd political and social innovations derived from the evolution of the state towards empowering effeminate men while displacing traditionally strong and masculine leadership.
The more things change the more they stay the same
She's either a plant, a braindead female voter or a shortsighted pro life absolutionist.
Trump's position is the CORRECT one to win, it should ONLY be a state issue not a federal issue. The Dems are right now only getting votes from alive people by stating 'Trump is going to ban abortion federally' when Vance himself has said he won't as he's already won by leaving it up to states to decide.
So complain to the blue hubs or stfu I want Trump to win not be sabotaged because of this issue like in 2022.
Which is really dumb, the left culture captured for too long that we can't flip a switch and ban abortion, we have slowly instill the lost values of preserving life back into society.
Its been a meme about the Left for years, but the Right is far more guilty of "virtue signalling" to the point where they will literally take the Devil rather than settle for Less Than Perfect.
Its mostly women doing it, but plenty of Right wing guys will take "Trump isn't with me on my pet issue, so I have to vote for Libertarian or Hillary/Biden (who are with me on everything but that one issue)" stances without realizing how much worse that is.
They act like its them being super principled and holding a stance, but it really is just them revealing they are so simple that they only have a single political stance.
Personally I put this chick in the same bin as everyone who breaks against Trump because he's not based enough. Life doesn't boil down to this Manichean day of reckoning where a politician will give you every single thing you've ever wanted.
There are some things I disagree with Trump on (namely Operation Warp Speed, but I have a feeling he will come around on that given the RFK team up), but I feel his good points far outweigh those.
It's not about picking the lesser of 2 evils- it's about putting our differences aside so we can realize how much common ground we do have and the belief that someone can get the important things done and at least be open to other ideas.
Trump has shown me he's unquestionably the best person to lead the country. There will never be someone you 100% agree with on everything, but there will always be people you can agree with enough on. That alone will go a long way.
Yup. It'll make many years of a slow cultural lurch in the right direction for things to change. Or an Islamic revolution like what Europe is gonna be getting. lol
I generally go for moving as much as possible to the states even if that means some other state would do something I don’t like.
She’s a woman, it’s always about forcing everyone to do what they want. It’s no different than how the Democrats work, or how women work really. Repeal the 19th.
The archive won’t open for me, so I am unsure of the identity of the woman speaking, but speaking as someone who has coordinated/helped coordinate the march for life in multiple cities, who has gone to abortion clinics and prayed with women, and done much more:
This woman is an idiot. Trump is the reason Roe was overturned. Trump is the only president to ever attend an anti-abortion march. Trump has been the best president on abortion of my lifetime- all others talked a good game but cucked when it mattered. Trump is being wise as a serpent and innocent as a dove, and his plan to make it a states issue is the first step towards fixing the problem. I am someone who sees abortion as a grave moral sin in our society, and it calls out to heaven for vengeance and if I had my way well… let’s just say the issue would be fixed in about a day. But we cannot get to that ultimate solution of outlawing it in our society overnight, and this overzealous woman doesn’t understand that the left has indoctrinated women (and men) into this, so breaking that conditioning is similar to breaking someone out of a cult. It takes time. It cannot be rushed.
Im pro life so I can understand the principle but sadly it’s proven to be an issue that really drives the other side to vote. Leaving it to the states is what I see happening for the foreseeable future unless they do some national ban after a certain time but I doubt they would do that
Kind of surprised at how much vitriol in the Twitter replies and here on KiA2 over some pro-lifers not liking Trump & Vance being wishy-washy to journoscum hypothetical gotcha questions about "abortion bans".
Lauren Chen has similar criticism of Trump’s answers and similarly got thrashed in her own replies.
And TBH, I'm not even that passionate about abortion either way.
I guess it shows that similar to the Dems, a lot of Trump supporters really only care about winning over caring about any fundamental beliefs & principles.
It also shows how scared we still are about Democrat lies & smears.
This version of Trump certainly isn't the bombastic younger version of 2016 who would say anything fearlessly.
And the duopoly of "do you want Kamala to win?" quashing all internal criticism on the right is very jingoistic and off-putting.
Most of us prefer not to die in a hail of nuclear fire and bullets so we'd rather Trump win by any means necessary. Lie to these dumb bitches faces if you have to
I think the issue for critics of Trump like Nick Fuentes & Lauren Chen is that you have to believe that he & Vance are simply politicking for votes "campaigning from the center, governing from the right" instead of being weak RINOs like so many others when they finally win.
And I do share some of their concerns. 2024 Trump isn't as based as 2016 Trump.
I watched Trump's Theo Von podcast interview last week. I thought he came off as looking hoarse, old and enfeebled. Similar to the Elon conversation, Trump said barely anything of substance. They rambled for an hour about alcoholism, Dana White, Kid Rock & Trump's older brother Fred.
Theo Von had interviewed Bernie Sanders the week before. I only made it through the first 10 minutes, but Sanders was more impressive. He made a compelling case for universal healthcare even if it was based on lies. The comments were also full to the brim of simps putting the champagne socialist Bernie on a pedestal as a "Man of the People".
I want a Trump that has lines in the sand on red meat issues. Who isn't worried about MSM gotchas or speaking unpopular truths.
I watched Trump's Theo Von podcast interview last week. I thought he came off as looking hoarse, old and enfeebled. Similar to the Elon conversation, Trump said barely anything of substance. They rambled for an hour about alcoholism, Dana White, Kid Rock & Trump's older brother Fred.
Theo Von has interviewed Bernie Sanders the week before. I only made it through the first 10 minutes, but Sanders was more impressive. He made a compelling case for universal healthcare even if it was based on lies. The comments were also full to the brim of simps putting the champagne socialist Bernie on a pedestal as a "Man of the People".
Trump has never given substantive policy answers on anything. Why would he start now?
The Mass Deportation sloganeering is similar to the 2016 " Lock Her Up" with Hillary.
Many right wingers criticizing Trump & co. want him to be the based tyrant the left pretends he is, not simply a politician who lies to both his base & the normies.
Is it that surprising that people don't like people sitting on their hands when freedom of speech, political persecution, right to own weapons, mass immigration, packing the Court are all on the table?
Over a federal abortion ban? Which is the wrong approach and is impossible to pass?
When Trump is the ONLY president that has ever accomplished anything for pro life? And that would be toppling Roe v. Wade which is a monumental achievement I didn't expect to ever see?
The problem is that EVERY election is always framed as some existential threat where one has to betray their principles THIS time to keep evil at bay.
I actually don't give a shit about nationwide abortion bans.
But I want a version of Trump who doesn't kowtow to journoscum hypothetical gotchas because he thinks it's the answer that polls better rather than being the right thing to do or what his base wants.
It's pretty clear that anti-Trump forces are an existential threat, no? I mean, transgenders are attempting to change the fabric of reality. And they're coming for your kids?
Our enemies are evil incarnate. To that we can all agree.
Really this simply boils down to longhouse type stuff.
People to the right of Trump on some issues are being shouted down simply because it's become a binary "You are either with us or against us" in pursuit of victory no matter what Trump’s campaign does and without evidence that softening his message actually achieves the ultimate goal.
People to the right of Trump on some issues are being shouted down simply because it's become a binary "You are either with us or against us" in pursuit of victory no matter what Trump’s campaign does and without evidence that softening his message actually achieves the ultimate goal.
People to the right of Trump who argue you shouldn't vote for him are getting shouted at.
No, the feminine style of argument is "If you don't do X like I want you to, then puppies will die. Do you want that?"
Tons of indoctrination in schools and troon shit took place between 2016-2020 when Trump was in power.
He's obviously the better choice of the two on the topic.
But his internal critics want to believe in a champion that is principled & hardcore. They are getting a politician that seems tired, centrist & sounding a lot like the rest of the swamp.
Disillusioned right wingers don't have many tools when they are disgusted by the move to the center. Their go to is to take back some personal autonomy by wanting to be wooed for their vote instead of being taken for granted or staying home altogether because no one is entitled to their support.
Trump banned transgenders from the military. To say he should've found a way to quash a nascent social movement in local school districts where the president doesn't have any direct influence is expecting too much of any human being.
Disillusioned right wingers don't have many tools when they are disgusted by the move to the center.
Criticism? Use free speech? If the idea has weight then it'll gain traction, no? But if it's a dumb idea (federal abortion ban) coupled with a stunt (I'm not voting!) it's not surprising a lot of people get mad.
I think it's more of an example that the American right isn't very good at placating internal dissent when push comes to shove and instead quells it through mob rule just like the left.
Though right wingers presently like wrapping themselves in the identity of being free expressionists and critical thinkers.
Democrats aren't going to give a shit about states rights the second they get 60 votes in the Senate to force half the country to allow unlimited abortions.
The Venn Diagram of "Christians" who are terrified of the "Christian Nationalist" right and the ones who won't vote for Trump because he doesn't want a Federal abortion ban is a single circle.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assemblywomen
391 BC. Democracy was still in it's infancy but we knew what women would do with it.
From wiki- "Aristophanes’ plays mostly derive their narratives on absurd political and social innovations derived from the evolution of the state towards empowering effeminate men while displacing traditionally strong and masculine leadership.
The more things change the more they stay the same
Like giving a monkey a gun
She's either a plant, a braindead female voter or a shortsighted pro life absolutionist.
Trump's position is the CORRECT one to win, it should ONLY be a state issue not a federal issue. The Dems are right now only getting votes from alive people by stating 'Trump is going to ban abortion federally' when Vance himself has said he won't as he's already won by leaving it up to states to decide.
So complain to the blue hubs or stfu I want Trump to win not be sabotaged because of this issue like in 2022.
I think it's Option 3.
She is the CEO & founder of some major anti-abortion lobby.
Which is really dumb, the left culture captured for too long that we can't flip a switch and ban abortion, we have slowly instill the lost values of preserving life back into society.
Promising a federal ban now LOSES you power.
Its been a meme about the Left for years, but the Right is far more guilty of "virtue signalling" to the point where they will literally take the Devil rather than settle for Less Than Perfect.
Its mostly women doing it, but plenty of Right wing guys will take "Trump isn't with me on my pet issue, so I have to vote for Libertarian or Hillary/Biden (who are with me on everything but that one issue)" stances without realizing how much worse that is.
Yeah, anyone who tells me they vote Libertarian basically might as well not even vote and usually it’s for some of the dumbest reasons imaginable
They act like its them being super principled and holding a stance, but it really is just them revealing they are so simple that they only have a single political stance.
Personally I put this chick in the same bin as everyone who breaks against Trump because he's not based enough. Life doesn't boil down to this Manichean day of reckoning where a politician will give you every single thing you've ever wanted.
There are some things I disagree with Trump on (namely Operation Warp Speed, but I have a feeling he will come around on that given the RFK team up), but I feel his good points far outweigh those.
It's not about picking the lesser of 2 evils- it's about putting our differences aside so we can realize how much common ground we do have and the belief that someone can get the important things done and at least be open to other ideas.
Trump has shown me he's unquestionably the best person to lead the country. There will never be someone you 100% agree with on everything, but there will always be people you can agree with enough on. That alone will go a long way.
This article softened my position with what happened with Warp Speed:
How Operation Warp Speed Saved America From the FEMA Death Camps
https://stopworldcontrol.com/warp/
Regardless of your personal views, a ban on abortions is a guaranteed loss. Women love their promiscuity too much and men want loose sluts.
Yup. It'll make many years of a slow cultural lurch in the right direction for things to change. Or an Islamic revolution like what Europe is gonna be getting. lol
Yes, so she can continue to grift.
I generally go for moving as much as possible to the states even if that means some other state would do something I don’t like.
She’s a woman, it’s always about forcing everyone to do what they want. It’s no different than how the Democrats work, or how women work really. Repeal the 19th.
The archive won’t open for me, so I am unsure of the identity of the woman speaking, but speaking as someone who has coordinated/helped coordinate the march for life in multiple cities, who has gone to abortion clinics and prayed with women, and done much more:
This woman is an idiot. Trump is the reason Roe was overturned. Trump is the only president to ever attend an anti-abortion march. Trump has been the best president on abortion of my lifetime- all others talked a good game but cucked when it mattered. Trump is being wise as a serpent and innocent as a dove, and his plan to make it a states issue is the first step towards fixing the problem. I am someone who sees abortion as a grave moral sin in our society, and it calls out to heaven for vengeance and if I had my way well… let’s just say the issue would be fixed in about a day. But we cannot get to that ultimate solution of outlawing it in our society overnight, and this overzealous woman doesn’t understand that the left has indoctrinated women (and men) into this, so breaking that conditioning is similar to breaking someone out of a cult. It takes time. It cannot be rushed.
The tweeter is Lila Rose. Her twitter bio says she is the founder and president of something called LiveAction.
Ah that’s too bad and I’m sad it’s her saying this- she is one of the pro life movement if it can be said to have leaders.
This view is very short sighted and I’m confused why she’s taking this stance.
Im pro life so I can understand the principle but sadly it’s proven to be an issue that really drives the other side to vote. Leaving it to the states is what I see happening for the foreseeable future unless they do some national ban after a certain time but I doubt they would do that
Kind of surprised at how much vitriol in the Twitter replies and here on KiA2 over some pro-lifers not liking Trump & Vance being wishy-washy to journoscum hypothetical gotcha questions about "abortion bans".
Lauren Chen has similar criticism of Trump’s answers and similarly got thrashed in her own replies.
And TBH, I'm not even that passionate about abortion either way.
I guess it shows that similar to the Dems, a lot of Trump supporters really only care about winning over caring about any fundamental beliefs & principles.
It also shows how scared we still are about Democrat lies & smears.
This version of Trump certainly isn't the bombastic younger version of 2016 who would say anything fearlessly.
And the duopoly of "do you want Kamala to win?" quashing all internal criticism on the right is very jingoistic and off-putting.
I thought voting was all fake and ghey anyway.
Most of us prefer not to die in a hail of nuclear fire and bullets so we'd rather Trump win by any means necessary. Lie to these dumb bitches faces if you have to
I think the issue for critics of Trump like Nick Fuentes & Lauren Chen is that you have to believe that he & Vance are simply politicking for votes "campaigning from the center, governing from the right" instead of being weak RINOs like so many others when they finally win.
And I do share some of their concerns. 2024 Trump isn't as based as 2016 Trump.
I watched Trump's Theo Von podcast interview last week. I thought he came off as looking hoarse, old and enfeebled. Similar to the Elon conversation, Trump said barely anything of substance. They rambled for an hour about alcoholism, Dana White, Kid Rock & Trump's older brother Fred.
Theo Von had interviewed Bernie Sanders the week before. I only made it through the first 10 minutes, but Sanders was more impressive. He made a compelling case for universal healthcare even if it was based on lies. The comments were also full to the brim of simps putting the champagne socialist Bernie on a pedestal as a "Man of the People".
I want a Trump that has lines in the sand on red meat issues. Who isn't worried about MSM gotchas or speaking unpopular truths.
Trump has never given substantive policy answers on anything. Why would he start now?
Well, maybe the TDS types have a point then that we are simply a cult of personality.
Are you familiar at all with Trump's speaking style?
Maybe it's a problem with long form.
I think his style works better on the podium at rallies where he can ad lib, be coarse and humorous.
I wasn't put off by his long form interviews. But was left lacking and found him boring and generic.
The official Trump campaign twitter posts "import the third world; become the third world" memes.
They hand out printed "Mass Deportation Now!" signs at Trump rallies and at the RNC.
I'm sure a Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, or Nikki Haley campaign would do those things too.
The Mass Deportation memes are pure cope.
If Trump & Vance actually believed any of that shit, they'd outline a detailed plan and stop blabbering about how much they love LEGAL immigration.
You complain he sounds like a RINO, then presented with something he said that a RINO wouldn't you complain it's "cope".
Sounds like you just want to complain, so I'll leave you to it.
The Mass Deportation sloganeering is similar to the 2016 " Lock Her Up" with Hillary.
Many right wingers criticizing Trump & co. want him to be the based tyrant the left pretends he is, not simply a politician who lies to both his base & the normies.
Is it that surprising that people don't like people sitting on their hands when freedom of speech, political persecution, right to own weapons, mass immigration, packing the Court are all on the table?
Over a federal abortion ban? Which is the wrong approach and is impossible to pass?
When Trump is the ONLY president that has ever accomplished anything for pro life? And that would be toppling Roe v. Wade which is a monumental achievement I didn't expect to ever see?
The problem is that EVERY election is always framed as some existential threat where one has to betray their principles THIS time to keep evil at bay.
I actually don't give a shit about nationwide abortion bans.
But I want a version of Trump who doesn't kowtow to journoscum hypothetical gotchas because he thinks it's the answer that polls better rather than being the right thing to do or what his base wants.
It's pretty clear that anti-Trump forces are an existential threat, no? I mean, transgenders are attempting to change the fabric of reality. And they're coming for your kids?
Those are feminine type appeals to emotion.
Our enemies are evil incarnate. To that we can all agree.
Really this simply boils down to longhouse type stuff.
People to the right of Trump on some issues are being shouted down simply because it's become a binary "You are either with us or against us" in pursuit of victory no matter what Trump’s campaign does and without evidence that softening his message actually achieves the ultimate goal.
Factually correct statements are feminine?
People to the right of Trump who argue you shouldn't vote for him are getting shouted at.
No, the feminine style of argument is "If you don't do X like I want you to, then puppies will die. Do you want that?"
Tons of indoctrination in schools and troon shit took place between 2016-2020 when Trump was in power.
He's obviously the better choice of the two on the topic.
But his internal critics want to believe in a champion that is principled & hardcore. They are getting a politician that seems tired, centrist & sounding a lot like the rest of the swamp.
Disillusioned right wingers don't have many tools when they are disgusted by the move to the center. Their go to is to take back some personal autonomy by wanting to be wooed for their vote instead of being taken for granted or staying home altogether because no one is entitled to their support.
Trump banned transgenders from the military. To say he should've found a way to quash a nascent social movement in local school districts where the president doesn't have any direct influence is expecting too much of any human being.
Criticism? Use free speech? If the idea has weight then it'll gain traction, no? But if it's a dumb idea (federal abortion ban) coupled with a stunt (I'm not voting!) it's not surprising a lot of people get mad.
You inflexible fucks are the reason why you're constant failures
I think it's more of an example that the American right isn't very good at placating internal dissent when push comes to shove and instead quells it through mob rule just like the left.
Though right wingers presently like wrapping themselves in the identity of being free expressionists and critical thinkers.
Theirs a difference between being harrassed and cancelled for dissenting, and being called out for your flawed reasoning.
Would you rather be called a retard or have a brick thrown at you?
Democrats aren't going to give a shit about states rights the second they get 60 votes in the Senate to force half the country to allow unlimited abortions.
And?
This isn't about whether life is fair. This is about what we can actually do in the real world.
The Venn Diagram of "Christians" who are terrified of the "Christian Nationalist" right and the ones who won't vote for Trump because he doesn't want a Federal abortion ban is a single circle.
Dumb
as it should be. fuck off karen