Rudy Giuliani almost single-handedly dismantled the leadership of the New York mafia. He spent the 1980s and 90s staring across the courtroom at some of the most influential and dangerous organized crime leaders in American history, total sociopaths who were responsible for dozens or hundreds of murders. And he won. He beat them all, only to fall victim to a criminal syndicate far more powerful and sociopathic than John Gotti or Gaspipe Casso could ever be.
It's easy to forget what a genuine hero Rudy was in the 90s and how he was basically Bukele before Bukele for cleaning up NYC. He did a good enough job that the Democrat elected after him wasn't able to completely ruin the city again.
I've had it said to me more than once that a lot of the kids and grandkids of mobsters are getting into government jobs because they recognize that the government is now a much bigger, badder syndicate than the mob.
Yeah, and it's all across the board, too, top to bottom. The first guy to tell that to me what the grandson of a capo. And one of the senior homicide detectives on his city's PD.
How can you say that? There's so much less labor union corruption, racketeering, random street violence, drug-pushing, sports fixing, prostitution and organized car theft going on now than when . . . oh wait.
In terms of petty crime and thuggery in the streets no. The yakuza aren't good people, but having that structure means low level thugs have to be a part of the hierarchy and follow some rules. Rather than exterminating them, the Japanese police allowed them to exist in a symbiotic relationship, where they were kept in check with constant surveillance (guys on the inside), and were used to keep small-time gangs at manageable levels. Only the egregious examples of bosses openly committing violent crime or extortion were targeted. I do think that contributed to the famous safety of Japanese streets. We see the opposite in America where individual incidents of violent crime and theft started going up in Chicago and Las Vegas not long after major mafia crackdowns. As bad as they were, the mob wouldn't have allowed joggers jogging through their neighborhoods.
If we're talking NYC and how the mob was entangled in all construction and garbage collection and shit, yeah getting them out of the business was a big boon for business. They're still around in unions and some smaller businesses though, but not powerful enough to threaten street thugs.
The panel found “clear and convincing evidence” that Mr. Giuliani violated two Pennsylvania Rules of Professional Conduct by making “baseless” claims of voter fraud in a federal lawsuit filed in November 2020. The lawsuit claimed that barriers for poll-watchers and “illegal” mail-in ballots were proof of“nationwide voter fraud.”
The report acknowledges that disbarment “has not been imposed in other frivolous litigation cases.” However, it claims that Mr. Giuliani’s efforts can’t be compared and that the “aggravating factors” involved here warrant severe disciplinary action.
Ah, the old "orange man bad" justification. Democracy doesn't work when those that control the levers of power abuse their position to persecute their political opponents.
If nothing else I'm offended by the random sprinkling of quotation marks in the first paragraph. "Illegal!" "Baseless!" No idea what they're implying or whom is quoting whom. Journalists deserve to suffer.
OMG did you see how Borat caught him trying to have sex with a young woman and lmao that hair dye running down his forehead at his fake election conference. Ngmi
This isn't going to wake up normies. However, it should probably alarm a lot of lawyers and law students who "didn't think something like this could happen".
Kind of like what happened with NY Realtors after their Trump case. "No one is safe" is a hell of a kick to the head.
I've actually moved towards Robert Barnes position on these Bar Associations, and just outright banning all of them altogether.
They are head-hunting every single attorney that every touched Trump, and are trying to disbar them for illegitimate reasons; while they won't touch judges or lawyers who are repeatedly violating the law, being incompetent, or committing fraud.
If the choice is between a filter that targets political opposition, and no filter, I take no filter. I'd rather have no police than a secret police.
people need to start suing for libel (slander?). Even if a claim is not accurate, having any logical reason to believe a claim means it is not "baseless".
It's infuriating because the same people calling it baseless are the ones who went out of their way to stop it from being investigated in the first place. Just the most brazenly slimy honorless scumfuck behavior, which I should be used to by now but still.
Rudy Giuliani almost single-handedly dismantled the leadership of the New York mafia. He spent the 1980s and 90s staring across the courtroom at some of the most influential and dangerous organized crime leaders in American history, total sociopaths who were responsible for dozens or hundreds of murders. And he won. He beat them all, only to fall victim to a criminal syndicate far more powerful and sociopathic than John Gotti or Gaspipe Casso could ever be.
It's easy to forget what a genuine hero Rudy was in the 90s and how he was basically Bukele before Bukele for cleaning up NYC. He did a good enough job that the Democrat elected after him wasn't able to completely ruin the city again.
Rudy endorsed Bloomberg.
I've had it said to me more than once that a lot of the kids and grandkids of mobsters are getting into government jobs because they recognize that the government is now a much bigger, badder syndicate than the mob.
That's how we got nancy pelosi and the kennedys
Yeah, and it's all across the board, too, top to bottom. The first guy to tell that to me what the grandson of a capo. And one of the senior homicide detectives on his city's PD.
Are we in fact better off for the dismantling of the mafia?
How can you say that? There's so much less labor union corruption, racketeering, random street violence, drug-pushing, sports fixing, prostitution and organized car theft going on now than when . . . oh wait.
They only dismantled the catholic italian mafia. They didnt touch the one run by people from a different religion and another small state
Something smells fishy for sure 👃
In terms of petty crime and thuggery in the streets no. The yakuza aren't good people, but having that structure means low level thugs have to be a part of the hierarchy and follow some rules. Rather than exterminating them, the Japanese police allowed them to exist in a symbiotic relationship, where they were kept in check with constant surveillance (guys on the inside), and were used to keep small-time gangs at manageable levels. Only the egregious examples of bosses openly committing violent crime or extortion were targeted. I do think that contributed to the famous safety of Japanese streets. We see the opposite in America where individual incidents of violent crime and theft started going up in Chicago and Las Vegas not long after major mafia crackdowns. As bad as they were, the mob wouldn't have allowed joggers jogging through their neighborhoods.
If we're talking NYC and how the mob was entangled in all construction and garbage collection and shit, yeah getting them out of the business was a big boon for business. They're still around in unions and some smaller businesses though, but not powerful enough to threaten street thugs.
I'll let this speak for itself.
Ah, the old "orange man bad" justification. Democracy doesn't work when those that control the levers of power abuse their position to persecute their political opponents.
Is the brain rot so bad now that we actually have “orange man bad” logic incorporated into written law yet?
For people that hate 1940’s Germany so much, they sure do like to take from their playbook a lot
Democracy doesn't work, period. The US was NEVER supposed to be degraded to the point where every breathing zombie has a vote for sale.
If nothing else I'm offended by the random sprinkling of quotation marks in the first paragraph. "Illegal!" "Baseless!" No idea what they're implying or whom is quoting whom. Journalists deserve to suffer.
The article is from ZeroHedge.
#YesAllJournalists
You'd rather that they endorse the panel's claims that Giuliani's claims were baseless?
you have more faith in normies than I do.
OMG did you see how Borat caught him trying to have sex with a young woman and lmao that hair dye running down his forehead at his fake election conference. Ngmi
They just won't represent them. Lawyers thrive in authoritarian regimes too.
This isn't going to wake up normies. However, it should probably alarm a lot of lawyers and law students who "didn't think something like this could happen".
Kind of like what happened with NY Realtors after their Trump case. "No one is safe" is a hell of a kick to the head.
I've actually moved towards Robert Barnes position on these Bar Associations, and just outright banning all of them altogether.
They are head-hunting every single attorney that every touched Trump, and are trying to disbar them for illegitimate reasons; while they won't touch judges or lawyers who are repeatedly violating the law, being incompetent, or committing fraud.
If the choice is between a filter that targets political opposition, and no filter, I take no filter. I'd rather have no police than a secret police.
"Because I say so" is not something I ever wanted to see from a judicial system.
crying "baseless" doesn't make it baseless.
pennsylvania's voting law was changed illegally. no vote from that state was legitimate.
people need to start suing for libel (slander?). Even if a claim is not accurate, having any logical reason to believe a claim means it is not "baseless".
It's infuriating because the same people calling it baseless are the ones who went out of their way to stop it from being investigated in the first place. Just the most brazenly slimy honorless scumfuck behavior, which I should be used to by now but still.