You do have to keep per capita in mind though. Jews were targeted. Whites (arguably/officially) weren't. You can get into conspiracy theories where the whole thing was a purge of white people, some people do push that, but point is, just talking the official story, while many more white people were killed...they were also the ones doing the fighting. Although some whites were also holocausted. It all gets pretty muddy, honestly. Jews also weren't the only group being targeted, which is pretty crazy given how WW2 is talked about today.
Here's another interesting 'per capita vs raw numbers' stat, unrelated to WW2: There are more poor white people in America than there are blacks in their entirety. Yes, blacks are disproportionately poorer, but if the powers that be actually cared about poverty, there'd be more talk about the tens of millions of poor whites.
Again, you always do have to keep per capita in mind, because it does very much matter but, yes, there were many more whites killed than Jews holocausted, and there are many more poor white Americans than black Americans too. Things no one ever talks about.
Still, if they weren't targeted they would been killed in the front lines, obliterated in firebombing, or raped to death by Soviets. Surely it means that God worked a miracle through Hitler. His final solution saved the Jews and made them rulers of the Earth for 100 years.
I disagree with that assessment, personally. Rounding people up specifically for being of a certain group and then, no matter how you slice it, a fair bunch of them dying, will almost always have more of an impact than mixing a very small percentage of the population into the fighting force, and having some of them die on the frontlines or whatever.
Were some individual Jews saved by the concentration camps, that would have otherwise died in the fighting? Sure, 100%. Were Jews overall benefitting from being put in the camps? I find that unlikely.
Just swap things, and see how you'd feel, for example. Imagine they were rounding up specifically white people and putting them in camps where, at the very least, some of them were dying under horrible conditions. Would you feel that was better than white people simply being treated as anyone else, and many of those white men going to fight and die in the conflict, alongside everyone else? Alright, when I put it that way it doesn't sound so absurd after all, since you often didn't have a choice either way but, still, I'd personally prefer not to be singled out. I think I would rather take my chances in war than be at the mercy of people hostile toward me because of my group identity.
One more point; it wasn't just the young male Jews in the camps, either. So even if they on average benefited (which I still don't think they did), everyone else didn't. Children and grandpas and grandmas weren't going to go die on the frontlines, but they did die in the camps.
I'm not arguing no Jews ended up benefiting, but I don't think Jews as a whole benefited from the camps...aside from the excellent PR and propaganda after the fact, but that's a separate issue from treatment during the war. Anyway, it's certainly an interesting thought experiment if nothing else, though.
But here's the thing: Whites are rounded up in camps to be exterminated. Who's fighting a world war and dying by the millions to save them? Millions of black brothers come to our aid? Millions of Chinese fighting against other Chinese to save their favorite race the Whites? Millions of Jew sacrificing themselves to ensure that the Whites make it out alive?
The real miracle of WW2 is that the wester world went against human nature spanning millennia to fight for outgroup preference. This wasn't something like "flip the switch to change to tracks and if you don't 6,000,000 Jews die. This was real sacrifice and I never put it together.
But here's the thing: Whites are rounded up in camps to be exterminated.
Are you making a hypothetical? If not, can you expand on this?
Who's fighting a world war and dying by the millions to save them? Millions of black brothers come to our aid? Millions of Chinese fighting against other Chinese to save their favorite race the Whites? Millions of Jew sacrificing themselves to ensure that the Whites make it out alive?
Hahahahahahahahaha. Hahaha. I'm going to go cry now.
Nah, seriously though, it's fucking bullshit. I'm not a hardcore identarian or anything (in fact I'd love to go back to not having to give a damn at all), but very few things make more more angry than this double standard. You're absolutely correct; no one will come to the aid of whites, while many other groups are actively hostile toward us, and yet we're told we're privileged. Furthermore, we're called the nastiest things if we point it out or say, maybe we shouldn't exterminate the whites?
They'll openly say whites are on the verge of extinction, and brag about it. But we're the "Nazis" if we say, maybe wiping out white people isn't the best thing? Maybe it should be stopped?
I mean, he's a jew, so it makes sense that he's never read a Christian bible.
But, nah. It wasn't the romans constantly stirring up shit and trying to get Christ in trouble.
Remember kids - Romans didn't kill Christ. Jesus argued his point so perfectly with Pontius Pilate that he was literally begging the jewish leaders to allow him to pardon Jesus, to the point where he made the offer to either pardon an actual murderer or to let Jesus go.
Guess what the jewish leaders picked.
So, yeah.
It's funny how when you stop and think about all this that none of it is really new...
A man publicly calls out Jewish leadership for twisting God's law to their own benefit and for using even their holy places as a method to extract more profits. Jews then use their influence in government to have the man executed despite having not been guilty of a crime. Doesn't sound all that far fetched today, yet it's also the story of Jesus.
I don't like to defend Ben but you can tell from the context that he specifically doesn't believe in the miracles done by Jesus and he even says he believes the old Testament miracles.
He is a Jew by religion, nothing he says here is unexpected. The same scenario would be if they asked me about Mohamed.
Uh, yeah, you can? Jesus was literally sent to the Jews to turn them from their old covenant and convert them.
Those spiteful, arrogant, evil shitbags decided they knew better than God himself and killed him and have sent all of their brethren to hell to boil in shit ever since.
A fitting end to a shit religion of shitty people.
Was a practicioner of the 2nd temple religion, which was very different from the talmudic religion the pharasees founded in Babylon after the temple was destroyed.
Quit making me play the atheist card you dumb ideological bootlickers!
Using that card, I can personally say that sounds REALLY dumb to say you don't believe in miracles to dunk on another religion when you're religious and your faith relies on miracles too.
Unless you also want to say Moses didn't do anything like in your books and other prominent Jewish figures, this just comes off as a rush to attack Christianity which given the recent 'Christ is King is antisemitic' crap, sounds like the NPCs got a new code.
Until somewhat recently it was church dogma that jews were damned for deicide unless they converted. The capture of Christians by "judeo-christianity" is really a huge win for them.
So he doesn’t believe the story about that jew candle that burned for eight nights?
Or the miracle of the safety camps that protected European jewry from the massive war that set the whole continent on fire?
Whoa. I never put this together but were more white people killed in WW2 (on both sides) than number of Jews that were "genocided"?
Call me dumb for not putting together before but even if you grant the Jews their magic number, the losses aren't anywhere close!
26 million slavs alone were killed if I remember correctly.
https://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians
You do have to keep per capita in mind though. Jews were targeted. Whites (arguably/officially) weren't. You can get into conspiracy theories where the whole thing was a purge of white people, some people do push that, but point is, just talking the official story, while many more white people were killed...they were also the ones doing the fighting. Although some whites were also holocausted. It all gets pretty muddy, honestly. Jews also weren't the only group being targeted, which is pretty crazy given how WW2 is talked about today.
Here's another interesting 'per capita vs raw numbers' stat, unrelated to WW2: There are more poor white people in America than there are blacks in their entirety. Yes, blacks are disproportionately poorer, but if the powers that be actually cared about poverty, there'd be more talk about the tens of millions of poor whites.
Again, you always do have to keep per capita in mind, because it does very much matter but, yes, there were many more whites killed than Jews holocausted, and there are many more poor white Americans than black Americans too. Things no one ever talks about.
Still, if they weren't targeted they would been killed in the front lines, obliterated in firebombing, or raped to death by Soviets. Surely it means that God worked a miracle through Hitler. His final solution saved the Jews and made them rulers of the Earth for 100 years.
I disagree with that assessment, personally. Rounding people up specifically for being of a certain group and then, no matter how you slice it, a fair bunch of them dying, will almost always have more of an impact than mixing a very small percentage of the population into the fighting force, and having some of them die on the frontlines or whatever.
Were some individual Jews saved by the concentration camps, that would have otherwise died in the fighting? Sure, 100%. Were Jews overall benefitting from being put in the camps? I find that unlikely.
Just swap things, and see how you'd feel, for example. Imagine they were rounding up specifically white people and putting them in camps where, at the very least, some of them were dying under horrible conditions. Would you feel that was better than white people simply being treated as anyone else, and many of those white men going to fight and die in the conflict, alongside everyone else? Alright, when I put it that way it doesn't sound so absurd after all, since you often didn't have a choice either way but, still, I'd personally prefer not to be singled out. I think I would rather take my chances in war than be at the mercy of people hostile toward me because of my group identity.
One more point; it wasn't just the young male Jews in the camps, either. So even if they on average benefited (which I still don't think they did), everyone else didn't. Children and grandpas and grandmas weren't going to go die on the frontlines, but they did die in the camps.
I'm not arguing no Jews ended up benefiting, but I don't think Jews as a whole benefited from the camps...aside from the excellent PR and propaganda after the fact, but that's a separate issue from treatment during the war. Anyway, it's certainly an interesting thought experiment if nothing else, though.
But here's the thing: Whites are rounded up in camps to be exterminated. Who's fighting a world war and dying by the millions to save them? Millions of black brothers come to our aid? Millions of Chinese fighting against other Chinese to save their favorite race the Whites? Millions of Jew sacrificing themselves to ensure that the Whites make it out alive?
The real miracle of WW2 is that the wester world went against human nature spanning millennia to fight for outgroup preference. This wasn't something like "flip the switch to change to tracks and if you don't 6,000,000 Jews die. This was real sacrifice and I never put it together.
Are you making a hypothetical? If not, can you expand on this?
Hahahahahahahahaha. Hahaha. I'm going to go cry now.
Nah, seriously though, it's fucking bullshit. I'm not a hardcore identarian or anything (in fact I'd love to go back to not having to give a damn at all), but very few things make more more angry than this double standard. You're absolutely correct; no one will come to the aid of whites, while many other groups are actively hostile toward us, and yet we're told we're privileged. Furthermore, we're called the nastiest things if we point it out or say, maybe we shouldn't exterminate the whites?
They'll openly say whites are on the verge of extinction, and brag about it. But we're the "Nazis" if we say, maybe wiping out white people isn't the best thing? Maybe it should be stopped?
It's utter fucking bullshit, and it enrages me.
Doesn't believe in miracles? That's BS cause he knows his sister's milkers exist.
The glorious Khazar Milkers
Dat face tho
'revolt against the romans'
I mean, he's a jew, so it makes sense that he's never read a Christian bible.
But, nah. It wasn't the romans constantly stirring up shit and trying to get Christ in trouble.
Remember kids - Romans didn't kill Christ. Jesus argued his point so perfectly with Pontius Pilate that he was literally begging the jewish leaders to allow him to pardon Jesus, to the point where he made the offer to either pardon an actual murderer or to let Jesus go.
Guess what the jewish leaders picked.
So, yeah.
It's funny how when you stop and think about all this that none of it is really new...
Torah = old testament
A man publicly calls out Jewish leadership for twisting God's law to their own benefit and for using even their holy places as a method to extract more profits. Jews then use their influence in government to have the man executed despite having not been guilty of a crime. Doesn't sound all that far fetched today, yet it's also the story of Jesus.
And in Ben here they're still lying about him, with the claim he "tried to lead a revolt against the Romans".
A lot of shapiro-a-likes give off the "if god was real, he would stop us" kind of vibe.
https://twitter.com/EvanAKilgore/status/1772312604255346738
Our miracles are miracles, your miracles are superstitions.
I don't like to defend Ben but you can tell from the context that he specifically doesn't believe in the miracles done by Jesus and he even says he believes the old Testament miracles.
He is a Jew by religion, nothing he says here is unexpected. The same scenario would be if they asked me about Mohamed.
He only believes in Jewish miracles
Jesus was a jew.
The truth is that you can't be religious Jew and believe in Christ and by extension all the miracles He performed.
Uh, yeah, you can? Jesus was literally sent to the Jews to turn them from their old covenant and convert them.
Those spiteful, arrogant, evil shitbags decided they knew better than God himself and killed him and have sent all of their brethren to hell to boil in shit ever since.
A fitting end to a shit religion of shitty people.
Was
Was a practicioner of the 2nd temple religion, which was very different from the talmudic religion the pharasees founded in Babylon after the temple was destroyed.
Quit making me play the atheist card you dumb ideological bootlickers!
Using that card, I can personally say that sounds REALLY dumb to say you don't believe in miracles to dunk on another religion when you're religious and your faith relies on miracles too.
Unless you also want to say Moses didn't do anything like in your books and other prominent Jewish figures, this just comes off as a rush to attack Christianity which given the recent 'Christ is King is antisemitic' crap, sounds like the NPCs got a new code.
Hurka durka
Until somewhat recently it was church dogma that jews were damned for deicide unless they converted. The capture of Christians by "judeo-christianity" is really a huge win for them.