Still, if they weren't targeted they would been killed in the front lines, obliterated in firebombing, or raped to death by Soviets. Surely it means that God worked a miracle through Hitler. His final solution saved the Jews and made them rulers of the Earth for 100 years.
I disagree with that assessment, personally. Rounding people up specifically for being of a certain group and then, no matter how you slice it, a fair bunch of them dying, will almost always have more of an impact than mixing a very small percentage of the population into the fighting force, and having some of them die on the frontlines or whatever.
Were some individual Jews saved by the concentration camps, that would have otherwise died in the fighting? Sure, 100%. Were Jews overall benefitting from being put in the camps? I find that unlikely.
Just swap things, and see how you'd feel, for example. Imagine they were rounding up specifically white people and putting them in camps where, at the very least, some of them were dying under horrible conditions. Would you feel that was better than white people simply being treated as anyone else, and many of those white men going to fight and die in the conflict, alongside everyone else? Alright, when I put it that way it doesn't sound so absurd after all, since you often didn't have a choice either way but, still, I'd personally prefer not to be singled out. I think I would rather take my chances in war than be at the mercy of people hostile toward me because of my group identity.
One more point; it wasn't just the young male Jews in the camps, either. So even if they on average benefited (which I still don't think they did), everyone else didn't. Children and grandpas and grandmas weren't going to go die on the frontlines, but they did die in the camps.
I'm not arguing no Jews ended up benefiting, but I don't think Jews as a whole benefited from the camps...aside from the excellent PR and propaganda after the fact, but that's a separate issue from treatment during the war. Anyway, it's certainly an interesting thought experiment if nothing else, though.
But here's the thing: Whites are rounded up in camps to be exterminated. Who's fighting a world war and dying by the millions to save them? Millions of black brothers come to our aid? Millions of Chinese fighting against other Chinese to save their favorite race the Whites? Millions of Jew sacrificing themselves to ensure that the Whites make it out alive?
The real miracle of WW2 is that the wester world went against human nature spanning millennia to fight for outgroup preference. This wasn't something like "flip the switch to change to tracks and if you don't 6,000,000 Jews die. This was real sacrifice and I never put it together.
But here's the thing: Whites are rounded up in camps to be exterminated.
Are you making a hypothetical? If not, can you expand on this?
Who's fighting a world war and dying by the millions to save them? Millions of black brothers come to our aid? Millions of Chinese fighting against other Chinese to save their favorite race the Whites? Millions of Jew sacrificing themselves to ensure that the Whites make it out alive?
Hahahahahahahahaha. Hahaha. I'm going to go cry now.
Nah, seriously though, it's fucking bullshit. I'm not a hardcore identarian or anything (in fact I'd love to go back to not having to give a damn at all), but very few things make more more angry than this double standard. You're absolutely correct; no one will come to the aid of whites, while many other groups are actively hostile toward us, and yet we're told we're privileged. Furthermore, we're called the nastiest things if we point it out or say, maybe we shouldn't exterminate the whites?
They'll openly say whites are on the verge of extinction, and brag about it. But we're the "Nazis" if we say, maybe wiping out white people isn't the best thing? Maybe it should be stopped?
Imagine they were rounding up specifically white people and putting them in camps where, at the very least, some of them were dying under horrible conditions.
I was going off your hypothetical. At least, I thought I was.
Glad you got a good laugh out of it. Good for the soul.
Still, if they weren't targeted they would been killed in the front lines, obliterated in firebombing, or raped to death by Soviets. Surely it means that God worked a miracle through Hitler. His final solution saved the Jews and made them rulers of the Earth for 100 years.
I disagree with that assessment, personally. Rounding people up specifically for being of a certain group and then, no matter how you slice it, a fair bunch of them dying, will almost always have more of an impact than mixing a very small percentage of the population into the fighting force, and having some of them die on the frontlines or whatever.
Were some individual Jews saved by the concentration camps, that would have otherwise died in the fighting? Sure, 100%. Were Jews overall benefitting from being put in the camps? I find that unlikely.
Just swap things, and see how you'd feel, for example. Imagine they were rounding up specifically white people and putting them in camps where, at the very least, some of them were dying under horrible conditions. Would you feel that was better than white people simply being treated as anyone else, and many of those white men going to fight and die in the conflict, alongside everyone else? Alright, when I put it that way it doesn't sound so absurd after all, since you often didn't have a choice either way but, still, I'd personally prefer not to be singled out. I think I would rather take my chances in war than be at the mercy of people hostile toward me because of my group identity.
One more point; it wasn't just the young male Jews in the camps, either. So even if they on average benefited (which I still don't think they did), everyone else didn't. Children and grandpas and grandmas weren't going to go die on the frontlines, but they did die in the camps.
I'm not arguing no Jews ended up benefiting, but I don't think Jews as a whole benefited from the camps...aside from the excellent PR and propaganda after the fact, but that's a separate issue from treatment during the war. Anyway, it's certainly an interesting thought experiment if nothing else, though.
But here's the thing: Whites are rounded up in camps to be exterminated. Who's fighting a world war and dying by the millions to save them? Millions of black brothers come to our aid? Millions of Chinese fighting against other Chinese to save their favorite race the Whites? Millions of Jew sacrificing themselves to ensure that the Whites make it out alive?
The real miracle of WW2 is that the wester world went against human nature spanning millennia to fight for outgroup preference. This wasn't something like "flip the switch to change to tracks and if you don't 6,000,000 Jews die. This was real sacrifice and I never put it together.
Are you making a hypothetical? If not, can you expand on this?
Hahahahahahahahaha. Hahaha. I'm going to go cry now.
Nah, seriously though, it's fucking bullshit. I'm not a hardcore identarian or anything (in fact I'd love to go back to not having to give a damn at all), but very few things make more more angry than this double standard. You're absolutely correct; no one will come to the aid of whites, while many other groups are actively hostile toward us, and yet we're told we're privileged. Furthermore, we're called the nastiest things if we point it out or say, maybe we shouldn't exterminate the whites?
They'll openly say whites are on the verge of extinction, and brag about it. But we're the "Nazis" if we say, maybe wiping out white people isn't the best thing? Maybe it should be stopped?
It's utter fucking bullshit, and it enrages me.
I was going off your hypothetical. At least, I thought I was.
Glad you got a good laugh out of it. Good for the soul.