Feminism has been defined as the politicisation of innate female nature. And I will say, those protesting this and the recent Mason Greenwood situation in the last week are not your stereotypical overweight, pierced, tattooed and coloured haired feminists. To balance this out between the sexes, men in general will jump on board the complaints and back their stance.
Just so you know the player said it wasn't a big deal at first and only jumped on the bandwagon after the media started attacking him. So make of that what you will.
It also doesn't help Spain is quite retarded when it comes to feminism in general, even Spain's actual president got involved
Regarding Hermoso’s comments - even the woke mainstream media admit that she was initially fine with it (even if they caveat that with “she was intimidated against saying otherwise” or similar) - it’s not hard to find…
Quite the opposite. I heard that definition from a fierce critic of feminism (ETA: Not from Imp).
It's not exactly unreasonable to not want to be kissed on the mouth by your coach, or whoever this is.
No-one is defending what he did, it's the escalation to a full-on MeToo movement and another front in the culture war that people are keeping a concerned eye on.
Quite the opposite. I heard that definition from a fierce critic of feminism (ETA: Not from Imp).
I meant to say that they admit it, not that they're wrong about it. They mean to politicize every aspect of life, and that is probably why politics has been injected into every aspect of life.
Bret Weinstein also had a nice definition of social justice, in the context of blacks. The injection of de facto 'reparations' in every aspect of life, in which every interaction that includes a black will have to advantage the black (at least nominally, because this is probably more of a disaster for them than for other groups). The extent to which this rung true was creepy. The cops have to treat them more leniently, they have to be advantaged when seeking jobs and university admission, and if you have a public fight with a black, you're automatically to blame (unless he's a conservative, then you may freely murder him).
No-one is defending what he did, it's the escalation to a full-on MeToo movement and another front in the culture war that people are keeping a concerned eye on.
The men's football team have followed suit by following what the women's team have done. We've gone beyond an explanation, apology and forgiveness, this is now a campaign for his complete and total annihilation.
Mason Greenwood, former Manchester United player, found innocent of the charges against him and therefore an innocent man in the eyes of the law, life destroyed by a campaign to refuse to accept the judicial process and follow him wherever he goes to destroy any one else who tries to take him on in future.
So something that can be solved by a simple "please don't kiss me" in private and then a complaint if they continue after, made into a national scandal
I'm unfamiliar with this story, mainly because I don't particularly care.
But why did he kiss her in particular? She wasn't the most attractive member of the team, and it's also a strange thing to do in that context. So did they have a prior relationship? Is she playing the victim in order to become famous worldwide, or is he randomly a creep specifically to the women who are above average but not too pretty?
No, not always. When I hear the word "creep", I think of that quote from the guy in Dazed and Confused:
That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age.
He wasn't the worst-looking dude. Ugly moustache, but otherwise handsome enough. Now imagine having family members, male or especially female, hanging around people like that, and tell me if you think that that's healthy.
Edit: A lot of people seem to disagree with me that this near-paedophilic quote is something reproachable. Interesting.
That's the original definition of the term. The guy you're responding to is pointing out that these days the term is mostly used to slander unattractive men for daring to exist by associating them with the kind of example you gave. Women often become enraged when a man they find unattractive approaches them because they take it as an insinuation that they're on the same level as someone they see as subhuman.
The term creep, like misogynist, racist, incel and other loaded words, has had their definitions extrapolated to go beyond the traditional dictionary definition. In modern day parlance on social media, creep means unattractive, which tends to be defined in the eye of the beholder. This is why the "gym creep" trend became a thing earlier this year.
In the video you can tell the guy is extremely happy about the victory. They just won the world cup. I think in that specific moment he was just overly ecstatic and kissed her because in many European countries, kissing people in the manner he did is not entirely uncommon to say hello let alone to celebrate as well. It reminds me of the famous V-J Day in Times Square photo. The sailor kissed a woman randomly he had never met before because he was so happy the war had ended. Back in the 1940s such an act was cherished because it was a display of unrestrained love due to extreme happiness and everyone recognized it as a joyful thing and allowed for the transgression of no consent because realistically, a kiss is harmless. It is only in modern times that anyone looks at something like this as bad.
Why did he feel compelled to kiss her specifically? I think in all likelihood, there was some slight unspoken tension between her and him. Like if he was going to romantically hookup with anyone on the team it would probably be her which is precisely why she wasn't the hottest on the team because he's not a super attractive guy himself. That likely has absolutely nothing to do with anything specific she said to him or any specific action taken by him or her but rather just an unspoken knowing that his subconscious mind acted out on. Just as how if you're thrown into a classroom for a year, you kind of know which girl you'd probably have a chance to date and want to hookup with and she probably isn't going to be the hottest in the class.
In a sane world, the woman and this guy would just deal with the situation like grown adults which means not invoking public HR to get the guy fired.
Humans are like the primate version of ants/bees. With the exception of North Americans/Aussies, who had many generations to get used to a lot of personal space, including having a personal patch of land. Hell, I remember apartments being considered for the "newly wed and nearly dead", not as a way of life. I guess condos went and changed that perception ... I guess around the time the Jeffersons "moved on up" from a house in a nice neighbourhood in Queens to some shitty penthouse apartment in urban hell Manhattan.
Europe has a very warped concept of personal space. Not that I especially give a crap about this bitch, but that actually is their culture so she's pouting without any real basis.
Now if you want some seriously rude fuckers go to Greece. The Greeks don't think they're too close until their hands are in your pockets.
That is surprising. Either Americans have a radically different idea of personal space (can any American visitors to Europe confirm), or things have changed a lot since then. You could arguably say this about Italy or Spain, and especially Greece, but the rest?
Eh, yeah, my default assumption was that Americans are basically transplanted Anglo-Saxons, and that their attitudes will reflect those of the Bri'ish.
Literally 7x denser. Yes, “personal space” is going to be treated very differently here.
In Europe at least, there is more of a cultural correlation than one with population density. The countries in Southern Europe are much more sparsely populated, and yet they get in your face more than countries like Switzerland, Germany or Britain.
Which carried over to Latin America, but not to the US…
Noting that the largest proportion of European settlers in the US ended up coming from Germany, and Northern Europe more broadly, I guess may be somewhat relevant…
But I would say Australians are less… Cold, than the British, without the sort of… Veneer, that many Americans put on. Despite Australia being like a strange combination of US + UK + Canada…
The French definitely have the same problem. Imo it's from the density being higher compared to the states. The Germans aren't as bad but it's still noticable.
Feminism in a nutshell.
Feminism has been defined as the politicisation of innate female nature. And I will say, those protesting this and the recent Mason Greenwood situation in the last week are not your stereotypical overweight, pierced, tattooed and coloured haired feminists. To balance this out between the sexes, men in general will jump on board the complaints and back their stance.
By feminists.
After all, their slogan was "the personal is political". If you wonder why politics has been inserted into literally everything, this is why.
It's not exactly unreasonable to not want to be kissed on the mouth by your coach, or whoever this is.
Just so you know the player said it wasn't a big deal at first and only jumped on the bandwagon after the media started attacking him. So make of that what you will.
It also doesn't help Spain is quite retarded when it comes to feminism in general, even Spain's actual president got involved
Sauce?
I assume you mean PM (Spain is a monarchy). Yeah, Spain is retarded beyond measure.
Regarding Hermoso’s comments - even the woke mainstream media admit that she was initially fine with it (even if they caveat that with “she was intimidated against saying otherwise” or similar) - it’s not hard to find…
Quite the opposite. I heard that definition from a fierce critic of feminism (ETA: Not from Imp).
No-one is defending what he did, it's the escalation to a full-on MeToo movement and another front in the culture war that people are keeping a concerned eye on.
I meant to say that they admit it, not that they're wrong about it. They mean to politicize every aspect of life, and that is probably why politics has been injected into every aspect of life.
Bret Weinstein also had a nice definition of social justice, in the context of blacks. The injection of de facto 'reparations' in every aspect of life, in which every interaction that includes a black will have to advantage the black (at least nominally, because this is probably more of a disaster for them than for other groups). The extent to which this rung true was creepy. The cops have to treat them more leniently, they have to be advantaged when seeking jobs and university admission, and if you have a public fight with a black, you're automatically to blame (unless he's a conservative, then you may freely murder him).
Ah, that does make sense.
Karen Straughn?
No, but I haven't everything she has said so if she said that, I haven't heard it.
She's definitely where I first recall hearing the idea.
The men's football team have followed suit by following what the women's team have done. We've gone beyond an explanation, apology and forgiveness, this is now a campaign for his complete and total annihilation.
Mason Greenwood, former Manchester United player, found innocent of the charges against him and therefore an innocent man in the eyes of the law, life destroyed by a campaign to refuse to accept the judicial process and follow him wherever he goes to destroy any one else who tries to take him on in future.
Feminism is incompatible with due process, and therefore with civilisation.
So something that can be solved by a simple "please don't kiss me" in private and then a complaint if they continue after, made into a national scandal
I'm unfamiliar with this story, mainly because I don't particularly care.
But why did he kiss her in particular? She wasn't the most attractive member of the team, and it's also a strange thing to do in that context. So did they have a prior relationship? Is she playing the victim in order to become famous worldwide, or is he randomly a creep specifically to the women who are above average but not too pretty?
Creep = unattractive man. The complaints about creepiness always boils down to unattractive men offend me with their presence.
No, not always. When I hear the word "creep", I think of that quote from the guy in Dazed and Confused:
He wasn't the worst-looking dude. Ugly moustache, but otherwise handsome enough. Now imagine having family members, male or especially female, hanging around people like that, and tell me if you think that that's healthy.
Edit: A lot of people seem to disagree with me that this near-paedophilic quote is something reproachable. Interesting.
That's the original definition of the term. The guy you're responding to is pointing out that these days the term is mostly used to slander unattractive men for daring to exist by associating them with the kind of example you gave. Women often become enraged when a man they find unattractive approaches them because they take it as an insinuation that they're on the same level as someone they see as subhuman.
The term creep, like misogynist, racist, incel and other loaded words, has had their definitions extrapolated to go beyond the traditional dictionary definition. In modern day parlance on social media, creep means unattractive, which tends to be defined in the eye of the beholder. This is why the "gym creep" trend became a thing earlier this year.
In the video you can tell the guy is extremely happy about the victory. They just won the world cup. I think in that specific moment he was just overly ecstatic and kissed her because in many European countries, kissing people in the manner he did is not entirely uncommon to say hello let alone to celebrate as well. It reminds me of the famous V-J Day in Times Square photo. The sailor kissed a woman randomly he had never met before because he was so happy the war had ended. Back in the 1940s such an act was cherished because it was a display of unrestrained love due to extreme happiness and everyone recognized it as a joyful thing and allowed for the transgression of no consent because realistically, a kiss is harmless. It is only in modern times that anyone looks at something like this as bad.
Why did he feel compelled to kiss her specifically? I think in all likelihood, there was some slight unspoken tension between her and him. Like if he was going to romantically hookup with anyone on the team it would probably be her which is precisely why she wasn't the hottest on the team because he's not a super attractive guy himself. That likely has absolutely nothing to do with anything specific she said to him or any specific action taken by him or her but rather just an unspoken knowing that his subconscious mind acted out on. Just as how if you're thrown into a classroom for a year, you kind of know which girl you'd probably have a chance to date and want to hookup with and she probably isn't going to be the hottest in the class.
In a sane world, the woman and this guy would just deal with the situation like grown adults which means not invoking public HR to get the guy fired.
In all of Europe, there are exactly zero people who kiss others on the mouth 'to say hello'.
Humans are like the primate version of ants/bees. With the exception of North Americans/Aussies, who had many generations to get used to a lot of personal space, including having a personal patch of land. Hell, I remember apartments being considered for the "newly wed and nearly dead", not as a way of life. I guess condos went and changed that perception ... I guess around the time the Jeffersons "moved on up" from a house in a nice neighbourhood in Queens to some shitty penthouse apartment in urban hell Manhattan.
Europe has a very warped concept of personal space. Not that I especially give a crap about this bitch, but that actually is their culture so she's pouting without any real basis.
Now if you want some seriously rude fuckers go to Greece. The Greeks don't think they're too close until their hands are in your pockets.
There are many different cultures in Europe. This is like thinking that New York City is all of America.
Eh, that is not saying much, they have their hands in the pockets of northern Europe from thousands of kilometers away.
I've been to almost every non Warsaw Pact nation on the continent in the 80s and 90s. With the exception of the Portuguese it's pretty accurate.
That is surprising. Either Americans have a radically different idea of personal space (can any American visitors to Europe confirm), or things have changed a lot since then. You could arguably say this about Italy or Spain, and especially Greece, but the rest?
You’re....just learning this today?
Literally 7x denser. Yes, “personal space” is going to be treated very differently here.
Eh, yeah, my default assumption was that Americans are basically transplanted Anglo-Saxons, and that their attitudes will reflect those of the Bri'ish.
In Europe at least, there is more of a cultural correlation than one with population density. The countries in Southern Europe are much more sparsely populated, and yet they get in your face more than countries like Switzerland, Germany or Britain.
It’s 100% a cultural thing.
Which carried over to Latin America, but not to the US…
Noting that the largest proportion of European settlers in the US ended up coming from Germany, and Northern Europe more broadly, I guess may be somewhat relevant…
But I would say Australians are less… Cold, than the British, without the sort of… Veneer, that many Americans put on. Despite Australia being like a strange combination of US + UK + Canada…
So I’d say it is more complicated than just this.
The French definitely have the same problem. Imo it's from the density being higher compared to the states. The Germans aren't as bad but it's still noticable.
They need something to pay attention to since their teams suck.
Seems like a win-win, either we will be spared "women's football", or a creep will be fired.
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It was the "principles" comment.
In the heat of the moment you might do something that would surprise even you.