The article is poorly written, so I can't tell if the deal is officially dead. What I know for sure is that the judge refused to simply rubber stamp it, and gave both sides 30 days to explain why she should accept the deal. What I'm unable to discern is if the whole thing fell apart after the hearing. Either way it's bad news for Hunter the Crackhead.
My understanding is that the defense thought the plea deal included immunity for all potential active and future investigations that uncover more crimes. When the DOJ said, "nah", the defense balked.
Not sure why he'd need future immunity though, since he's obviously the safest, most effective, most peaceful, and most innocent first son in the history of first sons.
immunity for all potential active and future investigations that uncover more crimes
If they were doing things by the book this wouldn't be an issue. Typically a plea deal involves the defendant fessing up to all the crimes they committed. Only then is a deal cut that decides which crimes to charge and the potential sentence. That's where Michael Cohen ran into issues. He was all too happy to fess up to his crimes when he thought could be used to go after Trump, but he wanted to keep the rest of his sleazy dealings under wraps.
Probably not, but see my other comment. I think I misspoke about fessing up to all crimes being a requirement for a plea. I think that just applies to cooperation agreements against others.
I wasn't calling you out or anything; You're right. The contingency with a plea deal that involves a confession is almost always that you detail whatever other crimes you've committed and that you can then not be prosecuted separately for them. But if you leave anything out and the authorities learn about it later, then they can prosecute you for those crimes. My point was just that if Hunter made that kind of a deal, he's so coked-up that he'd forget something that he could then later be charged with.
I assume a part of this process includes that fessing to the crimes can't be used against you later (like if the plea bargain fails)? Because otherwise, that seems like a shitty process. They can just get you to say what you're guilty of, renege on the negotiation, and then use the confession as evidence.
Now that I think of it the Michael Cohen situation was probably different. He was cooperating with the government against others (Trump) instead of just taking a plea deal, and that probably changes things. Generally a plea deal goes like this: Prosecutors indict the defendant for crimes A, B, and C. The plea deal might involve the defendant pleading guilty to A in exchange for the prosecution dropping B and C and recommending a reduced sentence. If they deal falls through they can try the defendant on all 3 crimes, which they have to prove to a jury to get a conviction of course. I think they just have to come clean if they're cooperating for a reduced sentence.
What makes this whole thing suspicious is that Hunter is still under investigation. The way it should work is that they complete the investigation and then decide what to charge the target with. Only then would a plea deal be negotiated. The fact that they're still investigating is pretty damning evidence that they just wanted to bail out Hunter and make the whole thing go away. That's where this weird ass agreement on future immunity comes from, and that's why I said that this wouldn't be an issue if they had done things by the book.
In theory they can do that but then the whole federal plea system would fall apart. Now the thing is the confessing to all crimes and getting immunity is really for someone giving states evidence, not a one off charge. This is a one off charge you don't get protection for all the things they don't know about or might come down the pipe yet.
Look at it this way. Say you're a mafia member and get caught doing X crime. You don't want to do the time. You tell the feds that you want to cooperate they're going to ask you to tell them everything you've done(that way they have leverage over you to make sure you cooperate). And then if they're going to use you as a CI you have to let them know every crime you're going to be involved in.
Now let's look at a one off situation. Say you get caught passing a fake check. You're looking at ten years but the feds say they'll give you 1 if you just take the plea. This is a one off plea deal. If they then find out you passed 9 more fake checks they can arrest you for those 9 and depending on the conditions of the plea and time that elapsed, that one year deal may now be voided. So it could be in your best interest to cop to the extra checks and show you're cooperating even if it means you might get another year or two because it could work out better for you.
Basically, everyone wants to do a plea deal because it is easier for everyone involved.
What it seems like here is Hunter wants to have his cake and eat it too. He knows there's other shit that coming down but is trying to get a pass without telling them anything.
I saw something this morning where Hunters Defense dosen't want something in the case made public and sealed. So they impersonated the prosecution and filed to have it sealed. Judge found out and is pissed.
One of Biden's lawyers called up the Clerk of the court office, pretending to be from the prosecutor's office. Told them they needed to remove something, a document, from the pile of documents on file. Someone from within the Clerks office called bullshit on that and checked with the prosecutor who confirmed it was a faked request. Biden's people denied that they impersonated anyone, used some lame excuse that caller ID would have shown it was not the prosecutor office calling but Bidens lawyers.
So, either Team Biden tried to impersonate the opposing team in order to get the prosecution's document removed, or Team Biden just attempted to get the opposing team's document removed from the record without having permission to do so. Legit, ethical behavior, either way.
DC disbars people like Rudy Guiliani. Being corrupt like this will increase his standing in DC. The people who would have to "vote him out" are a bunch of corrupt Repubilcan and Democrat simps.
It continues to amuse me that for all their "control" and massive influence, Biden and his puppet masters continue to be undone by his seemingly uncontrollable junkie of a child.
And if Biden was a better person, I'd unironically feel bad as from what I've seen he genuinely did have affection for his son and the fucker was an actual spoiled piece of shit in return. But Biden would sell everyone else's sons to the pedos and sharks just to line his pockets, so fuck him he gets what he deserves watching the one thing he probably still remembers be destroyed in front of him.
But Biden would sell everyone else's sons to the pedos and sharks just to line his pockets
But he wouldn't, because he believes himself to be the superior man, above money. Decades in the senate and 2020 he was only worth $8 million? Making chump-change deals worth a few million for his son? Nah.
Biden has actual narcissistic personality disorder, unlike Trump. It's about power, respect commensurate with his grandiose self-importance. He's got all the signs, such as the baldface lying about his education and record in his previous runs, the creepy fake teeth, rage from being challenged, and so on.
But relevant here is NPD has a fucked up family. The son that suicided, the other one that forever tries to please the 'big guy' but is a fuckup - they aren't some albatross cursing Joe, his narcissistic self-importance created them.
Leftists kept trying to play Biden as 'the adult in the room' compared to Trump, but when you rip off the blatant media propaganda and look at some of the shit Biden actually does when dealing with people that don't kneel down and kiss his feet, it becomes pretty clear he's an absolute piece of shit. The kind that constantly uses their height(the guy is something like 6 foot 2) to bear down on people and physically intimidate them.
Everyone's probably had to deal with someone like that in their lives. The moment you challenge them, they immediately go for the physical power play. Pisses me off, and pisses me off more than the media and leftist shills keep making excuses for it.
Thoughts are prayers are with the judge's family. It's a shame; she was feeling depressed, and shot herself in the back of the head twice. Many such cases.
The article is poorly written, so I can't tell if the deal is officially dead. What I know for sure is that the judge refused to simply rubber stamp it, and gave both sides 30 days to explain why she should accept the deal. What I'm unable to discern is if the whole thing fell apart after the hearing. Either way it's bad news for Hunter the Crackhead.
My understanding is that the defense thought the plea deal included immunity for all potential active and future investigations that uncover more crimes. When the DOJ said, "nah", the defense balked.
Not sure why he'd need future immunity though, since he's obviously the safest, most effective, most peaceful, and most innocent first son in the history of first sons.
If they were doing things by the book this wouldn't be an issue. Typically a plea deal involves the defendant fessing up to all the crimes they committed. Only then is a deal cut that decides which crimes to charge and the potential sentence. That's where Michael Cohen ran into issues. He was all too happy to fess up to his crimes when he thought could be used to go after Trump, but he wanted to keep the rest of his sleazy dealings under wraps.
It wouldn't have been an issue in either case, because I doubt Hunter can remember all the crimes he's committed.
Probably not, but see my other comment. I think I misspoke about fessing up to all crimes being a requirement for a plea. I think that just applies to cooperation agreements against others.
I wasn't calling you out or anything; You're right. The contingency with a plea deal that involves a confession is almost always that you detail whatever other crimes you've committed and that you can then not be prosecuted separately for them. But if you leave anything out and the authorities learn about it later, then they can prosecute you for those crimes. My point was just that if Hunter made that kind of a deal, he's so coked-up that he'd forget something that he could then later be charged with.
I assume a part of this process includes that fessing to the crimes can't be used against you later (like if the plea bargain fails)? Because otherwise, that seems like a shitty process. They can just get you to say what you're guilty of, renege on the negotiation, and then use the confession as evidence.
Now that I think of it the Michael Cohen situation was probably different. He was cooperating with the government against others (Trump) instead of just taking a plea deal, and that probably changes things. Generally a plea deal goes like this: Prosecutors indict the defendant for crimes A, B, and C. The plea deal might involve the defendant pleading guilty to A in exchange for the prosecution dropping B and C and recommending a reduced sentence. If they deal falls through they can try the defendant on all 3 crimes, which they have to prove to a jury to get a conviction of course. I think they just have to come clean if they're cooperating for a reduced sentence.
What makes this whole thing suspicious is that Hunter is still under investigation. The way it should work is that they complete the investigation and then decide what to charge the target with. Only then would a plea deal be negotiated. The fact that they're still investigating is pretty damning evidence that they just wanted to bail out Hunter and make the whole thing go away. That's where this weird ass agreement on future immunity comes from, and that's why I said that this wouldn't be an issue if they had done things by the book.
In theory they can do that but then the whole federal plea system would fall apart. Now the thing is the confessing to all crimes and getting immunity is really for someone giving states evidence, not a one off charge. This is a one off charge you don't get protection for all the things they don't know about or might come down the pipe yet.
Look at it this way. Say you're a mafia member and get caught doing X crime. You don't want to do the time. You tell the feds that you want to cooperate they're going to ask you to tell them everything you've done(that way they have leverage over you to make sure you cooperate). And then if they're going to use you as a CI you have to let them know every crime you're going to be involved in.
Now let's look at a one off situation. Say you get caught passing a fake check. You're looking at ten years but the feds say they'll give you 1 if you just take the plea. This is a one off plea deal. If they then find out you passed 9 more fake checks they can arrest you for those 9 and depending on the conditions of the plea and time that elapsed, that one year deal may now be voided. So it could be in your best interest to cop to the extra checks and show you're cooperating even if it means you might get another year or two because it could work out better for you.
Basically, everyone wants to do a plea deal because it is easier for everyone involved.
What it seems like here is Hunter wants to have his cake and eat it too. He knows there's other shit that coming down but is trying to get a pass without telling them anything.
That wouldn't pass as evidence
Partisan prosecutors can’t be trusted to arrange plea deals.
I saw something this morning where Hunters Defense dosen't want something in the case made public and sealed. So they impersonated the prosecution and filed to have it sealed. Judge found out and is pissed.
Yeah, I read something about her threatening sanctions for something sleazy that Hunter's defense team did, but I was unclear on the details.
One of Biden's lawyers called up the Clerk of the court office, pretending to be from the prosecutor's office. Told them they needed to remove something, a document, from the pile of documents on file. Someone from within the Clerks office called bullshit on that and checked with the prosecutor who confirmed it was a faked request. Biden's people denied that they impersonated anyone, used some lame excuse that caller ID would have shown it was not the prosecutor office calling but Bidens lawyers.
So, either Team Biden tried to impersonate the opposing team in order to get the prosecution's document removed, or Team Biden just attempted to get the opposing team's document removed from the record without having permission to do so. Legit, ethical behavior, either way.
That sounds literally illegal. Disbar that motherfucker.
DC disbars people like Rudy Guiliani. Being corrupt like this will increase his standing in DC. The people who would have to "vote him out" are a bunch of corrupt Repubilcan and Democrat simps.
It continues to amuse me that for all their "control" and massive influence, Biden and his puppet masters continue to be undone by his seemingly uncontrollable junkie of a child.
And if Biden was a better person, I'd unironically feel bad as from what I've seen he genuinely did have affection for his son and the fucker was an actual spoiled piece of shit in return. But Biden would sell everyone else's sons to the pedos and sharks just to line his pockets, so fuck him he gets what he deserves watching the one thing he probably still remembers be destroyed in front of him.
But he wouldn't, because he believes himself to be the superior man, above money. Decades in the senate and 2020 he was only worth $8 million? Making chump-change deals worth a few million for his son? Nah.
Biden has actual narcissistic personality disorder, unlike Trump. It's about power, respect commensurate with his grandiose self-importance. He's got all the signs, such as the baldface lying about his education and record in his previous runs, the creepy fake teeth, rage from being challenged, and so on.
But relevant here is NPD has a fucked up family. The son that suicided, the other one that forever tries to please the 'big guy' but is a fuckup - they aren't some albatross cursing Joe, his narcissistic self-importance created them.
Leftists kept trying to play Biden as 'the adult in the room' compared to Trump, but when you rip off the blatant media propaganda and look at some of the shit Biden actually does when dealing with people that don't kneel down and kiss his feet, it becomes pretty clear he's an absolute piece of shit. The kind that constantly uses their height(the guy is something like 6 foot 2) to bear down on people and physically intimidate them.
Everyone's probably had to deal with someone like that in their lives. The moment you challenge them, they immediately go for the physical power play. Pisses me off, and pisses me off more than the media and leftist shills keep making excuses for it.
Meh. Same as it ever was.
Can you imagine if Trump ever yelled "listen here, fat" in someone's face? Or threatened to gut a black candidate with a rusty knife, live on TV?
I love this video of Senator Biden vs Biden today :
https://twitter.com/realomarnavarro/status/1652820392187244544
Thoughts are prayers are with the judge's family. It's a shame; she was feeling depressed, and shot herself in the back of the head twice. Many such cases.