Frakes Still Wants “Star Trek: TNG” Ep Pulled
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He wants "Code of Honor" pulled because it somehow shows racial stereotypes... (that because black people were cast as the aliens and that the aliens follow an almost Klingon like respect for battle and shows of force = black people be like all violent and stuff! and thus the smart wypipo must protec them!)
Except that the women actually have all the real power in society and fight their own battles which was (and is) a progressive attitude. (Unless you're a transwoman, which currently trumps all other progressive levels on the marxist ladder of influence.)
Except that the black men are shown as very smart and cunning.
Except that the entire concept was based on Chinese culture pre-communist China. (heh - communism is colonization...)
It's a lousy episode regardless - but it shouldn't be censored.
twist: he's really racist and misogynist and doesn't want black people portrayed as smart enough to have a matriarchal spacefaring civilization
Would be funny but by all accounts he's a bigger cuck than Stewart even.
One thing that is funny to me is that the "le racisms!" they always focus on are the garb they were and the way they speak...which is basically just how most Africa-Africans sound.
Interesting that the never mention the whole conflict of the episode is that the king sees Tasha Yar, a blonde White woman, and decides he doesn't want his current wife queen stank booty anymore. So he just grabs Yar and transports out and claims her as his new wife. It's amusing to me that I never here these soy lefty actors winging about that aspect.
As everyone else has pointed out it's an embarrassingly shitty episode but not because of the "stereotypes" but because it is poorly written and frankly kind of boring. But no one seemed to have a problem with the episode of Irish-Aliens that were transported on the Enterprise to a new colony...where the men are all drunks and they are kept in the cargo bay sleeping in piles of hay next to their livestock. I wonder why that doesn't raise any of these performative activist's ire?
That's the one with Tasha fighting the alien's queen with a poison glove, right?
Yeah. If he wanted it banned because it was a shitty episode (one of, if not the single, worst episodes of TNG ever) that would have some validity.
And why not Angel One which was just as bad of an episode? Oh, THAT kind of racial and sexual stereotyping is OK?
I have thankfully forgotten 95% of that episode.
Yeah.
Yeah, that'll probably be my take on it. Tribal savages aesthetic has always looked ridiculous to me. Were they even space-faring? I can't even recall why they made contact in the first place.
Except they weren't "Tribal Savages". But it's what people take away from their conditioned appearance (Black people in African garb who don't espouse leftist platitudes = savages = racial stereotypes) But that's NOT what the writing said, it's not how the characters acted. Replace them with Vulcans and you almost had a variation of Amok Time. Replace them with Romulans and you almost had a variation of Balance of Power. Or just replace them with pointy headed Klingons and you'd have any one of a dozen episodes. Replace them with wypipo and you have a viking allegory.
I claim it's the casting itself that makes Frakes (and many leftists) ashamed and virtue signaling and I think that exposes their own racism.
OldTrek fan here. Yes, Code of Honor is a horrible episode--the worst of the bad first season of TNG.
But to remove it is to ignore the bad parts of our history. That would be like deleting my memories of being a leftist over 20 years ago--it would remove the reasoning behind why I came to my senses later and joined you guys.
Of all movies, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier talked about why this is a bad idea. Your past pain is part of what makes you who you are today. "You can't take away my pain--I NEED my pain!"
See also 'Tapestry' from TNG and that voyager episode with the war memorial (ruined by a shitty conclusion)
went looking for the episode on the High Seas.🏴☠️
a minute and a half in, and John De Lancie pops up, and I'm dying😂
God, Q was such a troll...
Okay, back to my nostalgia trip.🍿
Was going to point out Tapestry as that was not only a great episode but philosophically a profound lesson for all. Our flaws and our failures or the things we are not proud of are still a huge part of how we become who we are...and we often learn and grow far more from these than our triumphs and the things we are proud of.
What everybody could agree on (if leftists could be reasoned with) is when you start playing ST:TNG on netflix it says:
This show has a recommended view order:
The real problem here isn't just this episode, it's that you tell somebody to check out ST:TNG and they watch in order they're going to think it's a piece of crap show. Who's going to watch like 50 hours to find out there's good episodes in there?
What Frakes/Riker actually wants is to not to be embarrassed when new people try to watch the show, and this episode is only singled out because it's so bad he can justify to himself removing it. Guarantee if he had the choice of using his play order or banning this episode he'd choose the former.
I don't care.
The slippery slope always starts small.
We gave the gays marriage with Obergefell, and nine years later, they leveraged that into sex with our children.
So when people ask you about ST:TNG who haven't seen it, do you say to skip the first season? Or warn them that it's terrible?
Because that's the same thing.
I take a third option. I recommend RedLetterMedia's video on the first season.
In the first minute Rich says the problem is people start at the beginning and it's terrible. Sounds like we're all in agreement on what the problem is.
It seems like you think people should get a synopsis instead of the slippery slope of just skipping them.
I'm surprised he picked that, and not the episode where he falls in love with a space hermaphrodite.
He loved that episode, and stated in interviews that he really REALLY wanted a man playing the character that he fell in love with and kissed on screen, but the producers refused. America just wasn't there as a society yet. 😞
Disgusting.
What's funny is that episode is basically the gender clownery we are enduring now taken to it's conclusion if allowed to continue on it's trajectory unobstructed. The story is about a whole fucking planet of non-binary they/thems and one of the aliens firmly says she is a girl. So the governing force sends her to re-education camp and she comes out brainwashed and no longer thinking she is female.
I know the claim is that it was an inversion & indictment of so called conversion therapy and claims to defend gays and other members of the alphabet soup...but it's amusing to me that I've never in my lifetime seen evidence of something like conversion therapy to de-gay someone occurring with the force of the state/media/academia/etc backing it...and I'm old enough to have grown up with TNG in it's first run. What I have seen for a very long time is abject mockery and scorn of anyone who has anything negative to say against the alphabet soup, especially if they are Christians. What I see all the time now are zealots infesting places like twitter & reddit- keeping everyone in line with social pressure and fear of being ostracized or cancelled. And when you hear stories of people that de-trans, is there a single one where they don't talk about the viciousness their former "allies" treated them with?
If Leftists had a brain, they would see the obvious : People uncomfortable with reality who are told they can become something they are not, at great pain and cost, so maby their crippling anxieties will calm down.
Except they don't become the thing and are still riddled with anxieties.
Sounds alot like Conversion Therapy.
Except ''converting'' a male into a cosmetic aproximation of a woman includes sterilization, extensive genital mutilations and drugs. So it's much worse that the much-decried gay conversion therapy.
Bonus point : parents grooming their effeminate and likely gay son to ''transition'' him into a heterosexual ''girl''. Oh the State just doing it, like in Iran.
What about "Darmok"? A race of blacks with superior firepower try to communicate but nobody can understand what the fuck they're saying. The crew spends the whole time making white people faces attempting to understand and trying to placate them while Picard spends time with one and learns their lingo on his own.
It's the "excuse me, I speak jive" episode.
Sokath, his bike stolen!
When I saw that episode again a couple of years ago, it first struck me as 'racist', but then I considered the following.
The Federation has all sorts of human groups colonizing planets either prior to or under the aegis of the Federation and the protection of Starfleet. One notable example comes to mind: that doomed Irish themed colony (primitive, but high reproduction rate), which was then off-loaded unto that other doomed colony of (Anglo-Saxon) clones.
Why couldn't an African group colonize a planet and start their own civilization? It might have even been done so before the Federation became a thing. And wouldn't that be a progressive thing? Finally a colony world where Africans are the dominant racial demographic.
Progressives are always blathering about multiculturalism and using moral relativism to denounce criticism of other cultures being primitive. Well, this is one of those space-faring human colony worlds that has maintained its traditional African cultural traditions. They may seem primitive to you, but that's just because you're a racist and a bigot, and no one really likes you. ;)
Don't get me wrong. That episode was crap.
Notice when people are paid to pretend for a living they usually end up becoming mentally retarded because of brain atrophy.
At least the vaccine in Code of Honor supposedly works.
Has the Stargate-SG1 episode where a race of scheming aliens vaccinate whole populations into sterility being pulled for ''fostering anti-vax and anti-semitic views'' yet?
lol... I dunno... it's not like we ever heard from that planet again. It could've been Federation Propaganda! (Fauci as a Ferengi? Hmmm...)
My favorite theory is that all of TNG is Federation propaganda. DS9 shows what the Federation is really like.
That's...a unique way of looking at it. Hm.
As cringe and terribad as that episode was I would still not support its censorship or removal.
On a related topic, can I just say that for all the bitching I've regularly heard about Star Trek 5, I still manage to enjoy it every now and then as being more fun and watchable than most newer media productions?
The usual banter and interaction between the classic bridge crew has so much personality and authenticity. Some fantastic humor too.
It also touched on some really deep and interesting concepts too. Like one person in another comment brought up how they touched on the value of painful experiences and memories, and how as awful as they may be, they're a part of what made you who you are.
Oh I agree in general about V - but you have to admit the Scotty/Uhura romance was a bit cringe!
I remember there were some interactions between the two in Final Frontier, but for the life of me I can't remember the specifics.
I do remember the two coordinating as, what would appear to be, fairly close friends in Undiscovered Country though, which I think felt appropriate. It was subtle enough that you could tell that the two were closer, but it wasn't clear if it was due to past or present romantic developments or just some other friendship building events events between the scope of the two films. The end result at least in that film felt natural.
I liked the episode. I'm not sure what people didn't like about it. Was a little filler but fun concept.
My recollection is it's a cringe episode, but I suspect the objection is that it portrays how absurd it gets when someone simply insists you insert (skin color) people with no regard of whether the characters are written well or if the actors are interesting.
Didn't we just have two Black Panther movies of that which got broad acclaim by Leftists?
Or is that different because reasons?