I was a Firefox- first user going back to when it was still called Firebird. I haven't been for close to two years now though. They should have worried about making their browser work instead of diversity. I was just having too many things that weren't working that was fine in other browsers.
Deleted Firefox in 2014 after Brendan Eich, creator of Javascript and co-founder of Mozilla was hounded out of the project for a donation to California Prop 8 against gay marriage--that passed with popular support in California!
LibreWolf is a pretty good browser that uses Firefox as its base without the wokeness. Every time you open it, it spoofs your system info, like if I use Ubuntu, LibreWolf will say I’m using Windows.
I've been using Brave the last several years as well. Although, I'm recalling some news about Chromium itself getting pozzed by Google meaning that Brave would also be affected? I can't recall the details.
Brave is a google chromium soft fork, yeah. Which means they recieve google updates from upstream, and have to remove as much as they can, in the rapid release cycle that google uses to copy Microsoft with Internet Explorer's Embrace, Extend, Extinguish tactic to have sites always use the latest experimental standards and therefor google chrom/ium (which gets updates first), and then chromium soft forks..and then firefoxium after that..
At least so long as Brendan Eich is still in charge it should be, but a lot of these trustworthy giants of their time are getting old and either pushed out of the way or forced to retire because they're just out of juice.
Linus Torvalds for example got shoved out of the way a few years ago by trans-Linux activists, including his own daughter. Brendan Eich who I just mentioned was ousted from Mozilla-Firefox, after being one of the central pillars in helping to create it (as well as Netscape and Javascript) all because he donated some of his own money to that anti-gay marriage bill in California a few years back. He did manage to come back swinging though.
Walled Garden Safari (Web Kit) at 24.29%. That means the google Chromium (Blink) fork of Web Kit controls around 75% of the market..
Firefox shouldn't have started aping chromium, nor gone all political activist. It became their downfall (at least, faster than otherwise would have been).
google is truly evil, and omnipresent. One can still use a non-chromium and non-firefox browser though. As well as block google and prevent accurate fingerprinting. With a configured Pale Moon.
Since it's a rather obscure browser it doesn't get attacked on a general principle (unlike chromium and firefox browsers & soft forks). It's also a long time since PM hard forked from Firefox (Gecko) into independent Goanna so they're not vulnerabule to the same vectors. It's also constantly updated.
I'm looking for the 'rise and fall of firefox copypasta'. The one where it specifically picks out the wokoid invasion as the starting point of its QC collapse and loss of market share and talks about how the "fat feminists/woke" destroys open-source software.
I liked Firefox up until it tried to copy everything about Chrome. I don't like Chrome. That's why I used Firefox. So I no longer use Firefox, because Chrome does Chrome better than Firefox does, and Firefox does nothing else but try to be Chrome now.
The Iron Law of Woke Corruption never fails. Mozilla is paid by Google (literally billions of dollars since 2011) just to keep Firefox afloat but not a threat to Chrome. This is to prevent Google being sued for monopoly and having Chrome removed from its control. The money is just stolen by Mozilla's management and their fellow woke tumours by laundering it through donations to other woke entities.
They also ask for donations, but knowingly confuses people where the money actually goes to. Mozilla Corporation isn't the same as Mozilla Foundation. No money donated goes to the browser, only their political activism.
Best part about Opera which makes me never wanna go back is that you can “upload” images that you merely copied from anywhere online, instead of needing to save them to your hard disk first. Opera uses its own proprietary upload mechanism and accesses the clipboard when presenting the upload popup.
I have been trying to use some Chromium based browsers, but my gods, I fucking HATE a lot of things with the UI and tab behavior.
For instance, why in the hell can I not bookmark just the tabs I have selected in a window? Like you can select the tabs, you can choose to only close the tabs, but somehow it's too complicated to make it so you can BOOKMARK only those tabs?
LastPass is compromised. They have had 2 security breaches back to back, and the 2nd breach happened for the same reason as the 1st. Because they care so little about their security of their users, I highly urge you to consider some alternatives.
Dashlane, LastPass, and KeePass: Research carried out by Independent Security Evaluators (ISE) uncovered that while running in the background, these password managers could leak unencrypted credentials. According to the researchers, these companies don’t always encrypt and clear passwords from the computer’s memory when the user logs out."
"2015
KeePass: When this program runs on a computer where a logged in user has the KeePass database unlocked, KeeFarce (a hacking tool) decrypts the entire database and writes it to a file that the hacker can easily access. In theory this kind of hack makes all password managers vulnerable."
Never use Chrome, but there are some reasons to use a Chromium fork browser.
On privacy, just using Pale Moon gives them like 10 bits of signal to id you with on top of all the other things they can use. That's huge. Brave looks like any other Chromium except with fingerprint randomization for lots of things.
Also the more Chromium forks there are the harder it is for Google to make changes because they have to keep the forks from splitting off on their own.
For example with the new manifest to limit adblocking, if Brave/Edge/Vivaldi/Opera don't accept that change then Google's 75% market share drops to maybe 60% or something like that and those others are virtually identical except with better features so it's easy for people to switch.
Google has already delayed manifest v3 by 4 months so far for this reason. They say "intently monitoring comments from the developer community to help inform our timelines" and what that means is "finding some way to do it without losing the forks".
You've got it backwards. Almost all google chromium and firefox browsers will implement MV3. Some might try to keep WebRequest from MV2, but they'll still follow google Web Extensions, and will have to either Hard Fork or do massive jumps through hoops to re-engineer it when google removes all support for MV2.
Pale Moon can be setup and configured so you don't give out any identifying information. Unlike Brave. Pale Moon also does fingerprint randomizations, instead of fingerprint uniformity, but PM does it with so much more stuff than Brave.
The more chromium forks there are, the greater hold google has on the internet, and fingerprint uniformity only works by restricting usage of the browser. No customizations, no addons, no nothing. It's the wrong way to tackle anti-fingerprinting.
Pale Moon didn't score as well as a new Brave profile, with Pale Moon having a non-randomized canvas, GL, number of cores, and audio fingerprint whereas in Brave these are all randomized. Pale Moon screen size approximates the actual screen size whereas in Brave reported screen size is not similar to actual screen size.
But it doesn't even matter that Brave is more private by default. They all give out so much info that if you want to have multiple personas it's best to use different browsers for each; use Pale Moon and Brave.
You show that you don't really know what you're talking about sadly. coveryourtracks doesn't work on Pale Moon (Bad Request
Request Line is too large (8192 > 4094), which is why I left that one out in my post here about fingerprint tests..
"canvas.poisondata (true/false, v25.6+): Controls whether to mitigate browser fingerprinting through canvas rendering specifics.
This preference, when true, will poison data read from canvas areas with humanly-imperceptible variations in color and lightness.
Defaults to false; accurate reading of data is generally preferred, and poisoning severely impacts performance of reading data from canvas." -from 2013
They also randomize the addon order, and other things.
Screen-size spoofing and such can easily be circumvented, since most code "resisting" such fingerprints don't do enough (https://archive.is/kN0D5).
I do agree about compartmentalization, but one should use the best privacy and customizable browser as a main one, and use LibreWolf for the few sites that insists on implementing the latest google experimental "standards", and those "standards" only. Brave is the least worst google chromium browser, but it's still a google chromium browser..
That's even more dumb to have a switch for it and turn it off by default. Is there another switch to turn off audio fingerprinting and other fingerprints? /facepalm
I don't see any "bad request" error either on the site or in the dev tools. Maybe you have some extension or setting that's causing that, which of course is a signal to differentiate you from default pale moons.
Are you perhaps forgetting what I said here: https://communities.win/p/16b5un7XTE/x/c/4TsbFCc9qpq ? and of course there are more switches you can turn off or on in About:Config. It's your browser your way. It's literally the tagline. Unlike lying browser who claim to be about privacy though is anything but. Especially when they try to foist fingerprint uniformity/anonymity and out-of-the-box "solutions".
Also yes, of course I'm using privacy addons. Only a fool doesn't. Out-of-the-box is a trap for the lazy. It doesn't teach you what's what, nor how to protect yourself, Like you've just shown. You also missed how I said that the addon order is randomized, meaning that my addons do not identify me..
You also missed how I said that the addon order is randomized, meaning that my addons do not identify me..
I didn't comment on it because it's clownish to think fingerprinters won't just call .sort().
You didn't realize the best overall fingerprint site worked for everybody else using Pale Moon. You thought you could not giving out identifying information, when just the fact of using Pale Moon itself is one of the biggest signals and your signature is so unique it broke the site. Your comments are dripping with invective against a browser that does more for nearly everybody to protect privacy than almost all others.
Try taking your partisan blinders off and chill out for a bit. All that work you've done and it seems you're more identifiable than a default Brave user.
DNS blockers will become irrelevent when ads are served as first-parties on sites, which goes hand-in-hand with googles MV3 and Shadow/DOM push. As well as PWA's. Just a PSA ;)
Ads that run on decently-administered first-party sites are much less concerning than third-party ads from a security perspective.
Shadily run first-party ads running third-party code are, as always, a risk.
I don't much care if you want to load a picture and a hyperlink, but if you want to get any more complex than that, I am going to take issues with your site serving ads at all.
Adblocking is already a massive nuisance on Twitch and they are essentially serving their own ads, for me the only thing that works is a chrome extension in Brave, same extension fails to work in Chrome.
I don't use twitch myself, but I've heard they're a nuisance. I do occasionally use youtube (the one google exception), and their ads are almost as notorious (but greater usage means more amount of people trying to get rid of their ads). I use eMatrix and uBlock Origin and never see ads anywhere.
Yea, I switched to Brave when they started pushing political notifications in the damn fucking browser.
Firefox market share, 2016: Approx. 10%
Firefox market share, 2023: Approx 3%
"Become ye woke, so too broke" - William Shakespeare
As if it wasn't obvious what trajectory they were chasing after they fired Brendon and put the woke tokie CEO who's salary keeps rising every year.
That and when they said they should be able to control what content gets shown was enough for me to forget about Firefox
I was a Firefox- first user going back to when it was still called Firebird. I haven't been for close to two years now though. They should have worried about making their browser work instead of diversity. I was just having too many things that weren't working that was fine in other browsers.
Deleted Firefox in 2014 after Brendan Eich, creator of Javascript and co-founder of Mozilla was hounded out of the project for a donation to California Prop 8 against gay marriage--that passed with popular support in California!
Fuck Firefox and fuck Mozilla.
LibreWolf is a pretty good browser that uses Firefox as its base without the wokeness. Every time you open it, it spoofs your system info, like if I use Ubuntu, LibreWolf will say I’m using Windows.
Here's some fingerprinting tests to try it out with;
https://www.deviceinfo.me/
https://noscriptfingerprint.com/
https://abrahamjuliot.github.io/creepjs/
https://browserleaks.com/
https://browseraudit.com/
https://amiunique.org/
https://fingerprint.pet-portal.eu/?menu=1#
What are the downsides to LibreWolf?
Mitchell Baker doesn't get paid.
I've just been using Brave. It's basically Chrome with integrated ad blocking, it's very easy to recommend to normies.
I've been using Brave the last several years as well. Although, I'm recalling some news about Chromium itself getting pozzed by Google meaning that Brave would also be affected? I can't recall the details.
Brave is a google chromium soft fork, yeah. Which means they recieve google updates from upstream, and have to remove as much as they can, in the rapid release cycle that google uses to copy Microsoft with Internet Explorer's Embrace, Extend, Extinguish tactic to have sites always use the latest experimental standards and therefor google chrom/ium (which gets updates first), and then chromium soft forks..and then firefoxium after that..
At least so long as Brendan Eich is still in charge it should be, but a lot of these trustworthy giants of their time are getting old and either pushed out of the way or forced to retire because they're just out of juice.
Linus Torvalds for example got shoved out of the way a few years ago by trans-Linux activists, including his own daughter. Brendan Eich who I just mentioned was ousted from Mozilla-Firefox, after being one of the central pillars in helping to create it (as well as Netscape and Javascript) all because he donated some of his own money to that anti-gay marriage bill in California a few years back. He did manage to come back swinging though.
I'd say Brave browser is.. ok-ish. No major scandal. It's the best google chromium browser, but it's still a google chromium browser.
Translate with your choice: https://www.kuketz-blog.de/brave-datensendeverhalten-desktop-version-browser-check-teil1/
And they were removing some security/anti-tracking features?
That, I'm not sure about. You might find something to jog your memory here: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/wiki/Deviations-from-Chromium-(features-we-disable-or-remove)
Firefox (Gecko) All platforms, world-wide: 2.55% (https://archive.ph/eSsv6)
Walled Garden Safari (Web Kit) at 24.29%. That means the google Chromium (Blink) fork of Web Kit controls around 75% of the market..
Firefox shouldn't have started aping chromium, nor gone all political activist. It became their downfall (at least, faster than otherwise would have been).
google is truly evil, and omnipresent. One can still use a non-chromium and non-firefox browser though. As well as block google and prevent accurate fingerprinting. With a configured Pale Moon.
Since it's a rather obscure browser it doesn't get attacked on a general principle (unlike chromium and firefox browsers & soft forks). It's also a long time since PM hard forked from Firefox (Gecko) into independent Goanna so they're not vulnerabule to the same vectors. It's also constantly updated.
TL;DR: It's good.
Comparisons:
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-12592/Palemoon.html
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-452/product_id-3264/Mozilla-Firefox.html
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1224/product_id-15031/Google-Chrome.html
I'm looking for the 'rise and fall of firefox copypasta'. The one where it specifically picks out the wokoid invasion as the starting point of its QC collapse and loss of market share and talks about how the "fat feminists/woke" destroys open-source software.
Any help you can provide would be appreciated.
This doesn't exactly look like what you want, but it does an okay job anyway: https://archive.ph/h5KIb
Maybe it was this one though: https://archive.ph/hsZEp
This is good data, but not the copypasta I was looking for.
Still, thank you. Perhaps I should try to write it from memory...
I liked Firefox up until it tried to copy everything about Chrome. I don't like Chrome. That's why I used Firefox. So I no longer use Firefox, because Chrome does Chrome better than Firefox does, and Firefox does nothing else but try to be Chrome now.
The Iron Law of Woke Corruption never fails. Mozilla is paid by Google (literally billions of dollars since 2011) just to keep Firefox afloat but not a threat to Chrome. This is to prevent Google being sued for monopoly and having Chrome removed from its control. The money is just stolen by Mozilla's management and their fellow woke tumours by laundering it through donations to other woke entities.
Indeed! https://www.androidheadlines.com/2020/08/mozilla-firefox-google-search
They also ask for donations, but knowingly confuses people where the money actually goes to. Mozilla Corporation isn't the same as Mozilla Foundation. No money donated goes to the browser, only their political activism.
OPERA MASTER RACE
IT IS A VERY SMALL RACE
Opera is a google chromium, closed source, Chinese-owned spyware..
Best part about Opera which makes me never wanna go back is that you can “upload” images that you merely copied from anywhere online, instead of needing to save them to your hard disk first. Opera uses its own proprietary upload mechanism and accesses the clipboard when presenting the upload popup.
And then it sends that, and all sites you've visited, and all your information to the CCP.
https://www.kuketz-blog.de/opera-datensendeverhalten-desktop-version-browser-check-teil13/
The writing was on the wall the moment they fired Eich for not being a leftist.
I have been trying to use some Chromium based browsers, but my gods, I fucking HATE a lot of things with the UI and tab behavior.
For instance, why in the hell can I not bookmark just the tabs I have selected in a window? Like you can select the tabs, you can choose to only close the tabs, but somehow it's too complicated to make it so you can BOOKMARK only those tabs?
Firefox went woke so I stopped using them.
You can use Legacy FF addons for PM now. They quickly realized their mistake. That Person, is also banned, so it's much better overall.
LastPass is compromised. They have had 2 security breaches back to back, and the 2nd breach happened for the same reason as the 1st. Because they care so little about their security of their users, I highly urge you to consider some alternatives.
I don't use Password Managers at all, and wouldn't really recommend others to do so either. You have to trust a lot more stuff than just yourself. The company behind it, the encryption, the cloud storage, etc. https://password-managers.bestreviews.net/faq/which-password-managers-have-been-hacked/
As for LastPass, it worked in 2022 (https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=28758&p=232592#p231532) & (https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=28758&p=232592#p231564)
Don't use closed-source, web/cloud based password managers.
https://keepass.info/
From my link above:
"2019
"2015
Same when you copy a password into the clipboard, it's cleartext.
Plebs! I had been using them since they were still a part of Netscape!
When I read the post title I was like "damn, totally forgot Firefox was even a thing".
Never use Chrome, but there are some reasons to use a Chromium fork browser.
On privacy, just using Pale Moon gives them like 10 bits of signal to id you with on top of all the other things they can use. That's huge. Brave looks like any other Chromium except with fingerprint randomization for lots of things.
Also the more Chromium forks there are the harder it is for Google to make changes because they have to keep the forks from splitting off on their own.
For example with the new manifest to limit adblocking, if Brave/Edge/Vivaldi/Opera don't accept that change then Google's 75% market share drops to maybe 60% or something like that and those others are virtually identical except with better features so it's easy for people to switch.
Google has already delayed manifest v3 by 4 months so far for this reason. They say "intently monitoring comments from the developer community to help inform our timelines" and what that means is "finding some way to do it without losing the forks".
You've got it backwards. Almost all google chromium and firefox browsers will implement MV3. Some might try to keep WebRequest from MV2, but they'll still follow google Web Extensions, and will have to either Hard Fork or do massive jumps through hoops to re-engineer it when google removes all support for MV2.
https://www.theregister.com/2022/05/20/mozilla_opens_testing_for_manifest/
https://www.ghacks.net/2022/09/24/vivaldi-ad-blocker-manifest-v3/
https://www.ghacks.net/2022/09/29/brave-browser-manifest-v2-extensions-after-v3-update/
https://forums.opera.com/topic/50569/manifest-v3-opera/2?_=1682676951014&lang=en-US
https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/tag/manifest-v3/
Pale Moon can be setup and configured so you don't give out any identifying information. Unlike Brave. Pale Moon also does fingerprint randomizations, instead of fingerprint uniformity, but PM does it with so much more stuff than Brave.
The more chromium forks there are, the greater hold google has on the internet, and fingerprint uniformity only works by restricting usage of the browser. No customizations, no addons, no nothing. It's the wrong way to tackle anti-fingerprinting.
You're always giving out identifying information. What matters most is how you are using a browser, and you can check with something like:
https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/
Pale Moon didn't score as well as a new Brave profile, with Pale Moon having a non-randomized canvas, GL, number of cores, and audio fingerprint whereas in Brave these are all randomized. Pale Moon screen size approximates the actual screen size whereas in Brave reported screen size is not similar to actual screen size.
But it doesn't even matter that Brave is more private by default. They all give out so much info that if you want to have multiple personas it's best to use different browsers for each; use Pale Moon and Brave.
You show that you don't really know what you're talking about sadly. coveryourtracks doesn't work on Pale Moon (Bad Request Request Line is too large (8192 > 4094), which is why I left that one out in my post here about fingerprint tests..
and Pale Moon do randomize/poison the canvas data (https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=3357&p=19126&sid=a96d404e4e2fc7c7d66c4a6adf13ea32#p19126):
"canvas.poisondata (true/false, v25.6+): Controls whether to mitigate browser fingerprinting through canvas rendering specifics. This preference, when true, will poison data read from canvas areas with humanly-imperceptible variations in color and lightness. Defaults to false; accurate reading of data is generally preferred, and poisoning severely impacts performance of reading data from canvas." -from 2013
They also randomize the addon order, and other things.
Screen-size spoofing and such can easily be circumvented, since most code "resisting" such fingerprints don't do enough (https://archive.is/kN0D5).
I do agree about compartmentalization, but one should use the best privacy and customizable browser as a main one, and use LibreWolf for the few sites that insists on implementing the latest google experimental "standards", and those "standards" only. Brave is the least worst google chromium browser, but it's still a google chromium browser..
about:config: canvas.poisondata default boolean false
That's even more dumb to have a switch for it and turn it off by default. Is there another switch to turn off audio fingerprinting and other fingerprints? /facepalm
I don't see any "bad request" error either on the site or in the dev tools. Maybe you have some extension or setting that's causing that, which of course is a signal to differentiate you from default pale moons.
Are you perhaps forgetting what I said here: https://communities.win/p/16b5un7XTE/x/c/4TsbFCc9qpq ? and of course there are more switches you can turn off or on in About:Config. It's your browser your way. It's literally the tagline. Unlike lying browser who claim to be about privacy though is anything but. Especially when they try to foist fingerprint uniformity/anonymity and out-of-the-box "solutions".
Also yes, of course I'm using privacy addons. Only a fool doesn't. Out-of-the-box is a trap for the lazy. It doesn't teach you what's what, nor how to protect yourself, Like you've just shown. You also missed how I said that the addon order is randomized, meaning that my addons do not identify me..
I didn't comment on it because it's clownish to think fingerprinters won't just call .sort().
You didn't realize the best overall fingerprint site worked for everybody else using Pale Moon. You thought you could not giving out identifying information, when just the fact of using Pale Moon itself is one of the biggest signals and your signature is so unique it broke the site. Your comments are dripping with invective against a browser that does more for nearly everybody to protect privacy than almost all others.
Try taking your partisan blinders off and chill out for a bit. All that work you've done and it seems you're more identifiable than a default Brave user.
DNS blockers will become irrelevent when ads are served as first-parties on sites, which goes hand-in-hand with googles MV3 and Shadow/DOM push. As well as PWA's. Just a PSA ;)
Ads that run on decently-administered first-party sites are much less concerning than third-party ads from a security perspective.
Shadily run first-party ads running third-party code are, as always, a risk.
I don't much care if you want to load a picture and a hyperlink, but if you want to get any more complex than that, I am going to take issues with your site serving ads at all.
Adblocking is already a massive nuisance on Twitch and they are essentially serving their own ads, for me the only thing that works is a chrome extension in Brave, same extension fails to work in Chrome.
I don't use twitch myself, but I've heard they're a nuisance. I do occasionally use youtube (the one google exception), and their ads are almost as notorious (but greater usage means more amount of people trying to get rid of their ads). I use eMatrix and uBlock Origin and never see ads anywhere.
Isn't Waterfox kind of sus now? Since it was sold to an advertisement company a few years ago.
Yup. System1 of google frontend Startpage,also dogpile, as well as the bad Startmail, etc.