They don't understand that time didn't start in 2014. There's this weird mentality on the internet that assumes the current insanity is the way it's always been. Faggitors are particularly bad about this but it's not limited to them. It's inconceivable to them that drag queens ever did anything other than groom kids into current year's degenerate ideology. As you said it used to be a very weird and niche form of entertainment.
I sort of understand why saner times are so foreign to them. We're talking about people in their late teens or early 20s. They would have been around 10 give or take a few years when this shit kicked off, so they would have been a good half decade away from political awareness. I'm about the same age as you, and there was a discussion here not too long ago about Waco. Some of the older posters here were grown adults at the time and watched it happen so to speak. I pointed out that for guys our age it's pretty much historical.
But you're right, there is a major difference and the internet is the major cause. We were the last generation to have a childhood where the internet wasn't everywhere. Outside the dialup internet we had for a few years I didn't have access to home internet until I was 11 or 12. Before that (and even a number of years after that) parents were the main source of cultural information. Other kids too, but the other kids had their parents as their main source. So that was the connection. The proportion of cultural information kids got from their parents dropped dramatically when being online 24/7 became the norm. Memories are so short on the internet. It's easy to forget some trend or meme from last year, let alone stuff from decades ago. That's not the Faggitors' fault. What is their fault is their know it all attitudes and willful ignorance of the past.
The internet has so fundamentally changed too. It has changed from being a wild west of varied, diverse sites made by both individuals and corporations to a carefully curated and psychologically-engineered garden, accessible mainly through apps.
The internet feels less free overall. The world wide web made the internet accessible in a way that allowed the average person to explore a new world. But then start phones and app culture clamped that down, making everything a focus on what's trending or what the algorithm wants you to see.
Absolutely. I think that this site qualifies as old internet simply for not being mainstream and for not having an associated app.
But the old internet seems to be less populous than it used to be. A lot of online communities consolidated into larger sites, like Digg, Reddit and Tumblr. While all of those sites have issues, with Digg and Tumblr falling into obscurity and Reddit turning insane, I haven't seen evidence of a widespread exodus back to the old style of internet.
Even the right wing counterculture has fallen into this mentality. There was so much focus into making a right-wing Twitter clone. The same goes for YouTube, and even Reddit.
Go read David Stewart and Brian Neimeier's books on the subject. Anyone who wasn't at least tweenaged at the turn of the century has a vastly different outlook from even Gen X.
To your point of those old TV shows, yes, I did watch those as well. Addams Family, Wonder Woman, Lost in Space, Adam West's Batman and more. I get the funniest looks when I bust out in the "Happy Days" theme song or hear an 8 count and the "Schlemeil, Shlimazel, Hassenpfeffer Incorporated!" comes out of my mouth.
Kids literally have no clue because they're being made into rootless idiots.
It's really paradoxical, because in some ways pop-culture has stagnated since the 80s and 90s. Practically every movie is set in a universe and with characters created decades prior.
Kid Rock was always a "trashy, freakshow" persona, and like goes with like, so this is nothing of note. As you said, it is as though they believe the present and past where they existed to be the only times that matter. Nothing before, and certainly nothing after.
We literally just want them to stop performing for children. That’s it. And leftists are saying no deal. Children will see giant fake tits, dicks bulging through thongs, and naked man ass twerking. Because that’s progress.
Maybe if we pretended to ban it entirely we could headfake them into compromising with us and ban it only for kids but still have it in burlesque venues. As though this shit has any cultural value whatsoever for adults. Muh "as long as you're 18 you can cut your dick off and pretend you're a woman, just keep gay porn out of libraries!" We're being entirely too reasonable.
I do think that if we go too far, we do run the risk of turning the mainstream against us. The LGBT lobby became powerful in the first place because of anti-sodomy laws. In order to enforce those laws effectively, you need a widespread invasion of privacy. Even straight people balked at that, and they were amenable to the idea that "what happens in the bedroom is no one elses business." That gave the LGBT lobby a foothold to push for gay marriage and beyond.
That said, I do believe that we need to push back on certain things and gain lost ground. For example, I strongly believe that medical transition needs to be brought to a halt, for both children and adults. Poisoning and mutilating the bodies of the mentally ill is not sound medicine. First, do no harm. The long-term research into suicidality among transgender people is also not supportive of medical transition, particularly surgery. There are rare individuals who seem to mentally improve with transition, but the negative consequences to that individual physically, and to society as a whole, outweigh the benefits. If current methods of treating gender dysphoria are insufficient, we need to find new methods of treatment.
Good point. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say you can’t have that type of surgery til you are 18 since there are other things you can’t do until then. I can imagine some with gender dysphoria may be happy looking like the opposite sex. Personally I would still see them as a man who believed he was a woman. I think that’s another issue that irritates people. The push to ignore reality. As a Christian I’m not going to bother anyone in the lgbt crowd unless they specifically wanted to have a theological discussion and agreed that the “what we do in private is none of your business” and asking for tolerance instead of acceptance was appropriate. And you can’t deny it doesn’t help to massively over represent a small percentage of the population in entertainment because ppl get tired of it. Similar to race or gender swaps or how some studios feel like every show must include black ppl or strong woman
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God
-- Deuteronomy 22:5
I remember first reading this verse many years ago thinking "Why would men do that unless they're acting in a play or a movie? Was this a problem two thousand years ago?"
Today I better understand the verse and why it's in the Bible. And it's one verse of many that revisionists and Satanists will say "well that's actually a bad translation...and if it isn't, then its outdated and means nothing except to bigots and homophobes."
How I laughed at that skit, not understanding how mockery leads to normalization and acceptance of fringe positions. It really was the cybergays, Conan, and you played your part in their ascendance, as did I.
Kid Rock can do whatever the fuck he wants as an adult, with other adults. These faggot pedophiles immediately start talking about drag as if thats the hate qualifier, and not "being a sexual deviant AROUND KIDS" because they think they're so slick and can red herring you away from the subject.
I don't care if it was considered a freakshow or not, I still wouldn't be caught dead with a tranny anywhere near me.
The only time I've found "drag" acceptable was in comedy sketches and it was because it was a crude depiction of a woman that you would laugh at the moment you saw it, not something that the person actually believed in, you were expected to take seriously, affirm its delusions, and let it brainwash children or be labeled a bigot and lose your life over it.
Most people had no problems with drag performances for adults like most Christians may not approve of it but they aren’t going to stop them. People have an issue when you push it on kids. Why that is so hard to understand is beyond me.
Drag queens were also that: drag queens. Men in women's clothing. Acting weird because that was the style. Nobody claimed any moral highground with them.
They don't understand that time didn't start in 2014. There's this weird mentality on the internet that assumes the current insanity is the way it's always been. Faggitors are particularly bad about this but it's not limited to them. It's inconceivable to them that drag queens ever did anything other than groom kids into current year's degenerate ideology. As you said it used to be a very weird and niche form of entertainment.
I sort of understand why saner times are so foreign to them. We're talking about people in their late teens or early 20s. They would have been around 10 give or take a few years when this shit kicked off, so they would have been a good half decade away from political awareness. I'm about the same age as you, and there was a discussion here not too long ago about Waco. Some of the older posters here were grown adults at the time and watched it happen so to speak. I pointed out that for guys our age it's pretty much historical.
But you're right, there is a major difference and the internet is the major cause. We were the last generation to have a childhood where the internet wasn't everywhere. Outside the dialup internet we had for a few years I didn't have access to home internet until I was 11 or 12. Before that (and even a number of years after that) parents were the main source of cultural information. Other kids too, but the other kids had their parents as their main source. So that was the connection. The proportion of cultural information kids got from their parents dropped dramatically when being online 24/7 became the norm. Memories are so short on the internet. It's easy to forget some trend or meme from last year, let alone stuff from decades ago. That's not the Faggitors' fault. What is their fault is their know it all attitudes and willful ignorance of the past.
We're the last generation to experience the internet in a way that let you not be exposed to it at all times.
The internet has so fundamentally changed too. It has changed from being a wild west of varied, diverse sites made by both individuals and corporations to a carefully curated and psychologically-engineered garden, accessible mainly through apps.
The internet feels less free overall. The world wide web made the internet accessible in a way that allowed the average person to explore a new world. But then start phones and app culture clamped that down, making everything a focus on what's trending or what the algorithm wants you to see.
It feels more like AOL won every day...
Absolutely. I think that this site qualifies as old internet simply for not being mainstream and for not having an associated app.
But the old internet seems to be less populous than it used to be. A lot of online communities consolidated into larger sites, like Digg, Reddit and Tumblr. While all of those sites have issues, with Digg and Tumblr falling into obscurity and Reddit turning insane, I haven't seen evidence of a widespread exodus back to the old style of internet.
Even the right wing counterculture has fallen into this mentality. There was so much focus into making a right-wing Twitter clone. The same goes for YouTube, and even Reddit.
Ahem.
Go read David Stewart and Brian Neimeier's books on the subject. Anyone who wasn't at least tweenaged at the turn of the century has a vastly different outlook from even Gen X.
"History is boring! Also, never forget that slaves built this country."
To your point of those old TV shows, yes, I did watch those as well. Addams Family, Wonder Woman, Lost in Space, Adam West's Batman and more. I get the funniest looks when I bust out in the "Happy Days" theme song or hear an 8 count and the "Schlemeil, Shlimazel, Hassenpfeffer Incorporated!" comes out of my mouth.
Kids literally have no clue because they're being made into rootless idiots.
I still watch those shows. Some are on my DVR right now.
That's a good point. I wonder if that is truly the case, though, because Redditors aren't the best population sample.
It's really paradoxical, because in some ways pop-culture has stagnated since the 80s and 90s. Practically every movie is set in a universe and with characters created decades prior.
Kid Rock was always a "trashy, freakshow" persona, and like goes with like, so this is nothing of note. As you said, it is as though they believe the present and past where they existed to be the only times that matter. Nothing before, and certainly nothing after.
Are there any kids in this picture? Were there any kids there? No? Well there's no problem then.
We literally just want them to stop performing for children. That’s it. And leftists are saying no deal. Children will see giant fake tits, dicks bulging through thongs, and naked man ass twerking. Because that’s progress.
Maybe if we pretended to ban it entirely we could headfake them into compromising with us and ban it only for kids but still have it in burlesque venues. As though this shit has any cultural value whatsoever for adults. Muh "as long as you're 18 you can cut your dick off and pretend you're a woman, just keep gay porn out of libraries!" We're being entirely too reasonable.
I do think that if we go too far, we do run the risk of turning the mainstream against us. The LGBT lobby became powerful in the first place because of anti-sodomy laws. In order to enforce those laws effectively, you need a widespread invasion of privacy. Even straight people balked at that, and they were amenable to the idea that "what happens in the bedroom is no one elses business." That gave the LGBT lobby a foothold to push for gay marriage and beyond.
That said, I do believe that we need to push back on certain things and gain lost ground. For example, I strongly believe that medical transition needs to be brought to a halt, for both children and adults. Poisoning and mutilating the bodies of the mentally ill is not sound medicine. First, do no harm. The long-term research into suicidality among transgender people is also not supportive of medical transition, particularly surgery. There are rare individuals who seem to mentally improve with transition, but the negative consequences to that individual physically, and to society as a whole, outweigh the benefits. If current methods of treating gender dysphoria are insufficient, we need to find new methods of treatment.
Good point. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say you can’t have that type of surgery til you are 18 since there are other things you can’t do until then. I can imagine some with gender dysphoria may be happy looking like the opposite sex. Personally I would still see them as a man who believed he was a woman. I think that’s another issue that irritates people. The push to ignore reality. As a Christian I’m not going to bother anyone in the lgbt crowd unless they specifically wanted to have a theological discussion and agreed that the “what we do in private is none of your business” and asking for tolerance instead of acceptance was appropriate. And you can’t deny it doesn’t help to massively over represent a small percentage of the population in entertainment because ppl get tired of it. Similar to race or gender swaps or how some studios feel like every show must include black ppl or strong woman
There's only a superficial connection between drag queens from before Obama's second midterm and drag queens now.
In 2003, dragfags were in clubs and misogynistic comedy, not kindergartens.
It was a completely different time.
If you think that's bad, he's also been photographed next to juggalos!
-- Deuteronomy 22:5
I remember first reading this verse many years ago thinking "Why would men do that unless they're acting in a play or a movie? Was this a problem two thousand years ago?"
Today I better understand the verse and why it's in the Bible. And it's one verse of many that revisionists and Satanists will say "well that's actually a bad translation...and if it isn't, then its outdated and means nothing except to bigots and homophobes."
"It's Deuteronomy, not Do To Me Ronny!"
How I laughed at that skit, not understanding how mockery leads to normalization and acceptance of fringe positions. It really was the cybergays, Conan, and you played your part in their ascendance, as did I.
Kid Rock can do whatever the fuck he wants as an adult, with other adults. These faggot pedophiles immediately start talking about drag as if thats the hate qualifier, and not "being a sexual deviant AROUND KIDS" because they think they're so slick and can red herring you away from the subject.
If you think that's bad, he's drinking Bud Light while wearing a Coors hat.
That drag is as hideous as anything modern, though. I'm very glad as soon as I close this tab I'll never see it again.
There should be a "banish image from computer forever" button where you never see that image again.
I don't care if it was considered a freakshow or not, I still wouldn't be caught dead with a tranny anywhere near me.
The only time I've found "drag" acceptable was in comedy sketches and it was because it was a crude depiction of a woman that you would laugh at the moment you saw it, not something that the person actually believed in, you were expected to take seriously, affirm its delusions, and let it brainwash children or be labeled a bigot and lose your life over it.
Most people had no problems with drag performances for adults like most Christians may not approve of it but they aren’t going to stop them. People have an issue when you push it on kids. Why that is so hard to understand is beyond me.
Adults can hang out with drag queens. Not kids
Drag queens were also that: drag queens. Men in women's clothing. Acting weird because that was the style. Nobody claimed any moral highground with them.