If there was justice, they would be a court similar to nuremberg where EVERY medical and educational position that championed this would face grave repercussions.
But at this point I'd settle for they try this against some gang boss/cartel leaders kid and they do their own form of 'justice'.
They did it to one of Elon's kids. In my fantasy world is his buying twitter is the first step in a massively complicated turbo autist xanatos-tier rube-goldberg plan to get revenge.
Hilarious these people are so indoctrinated they don’t realize “gender neutral” is in fact pushing feminization. There is no “neutral” when you push both and end up damaging your child because they’re fucking 4 and do whatever they think will please you.
A horrifying story, and thank God she snapped out of it before any permanent damage had been done.
Particularly insidious is how she mentions that the "experts" she consulted said.
This is said all the time to parents [by experts]: you have to grieve the son and accept the daughter. So when parents have this grieving process there's already these talking points from both experts and peers to say: of course you're going to have a hard time with this, but this is what's best for your child.
She had two sons, and while her older one was weird (because autistic), her younger one was normal. And yet he also decided he was a girl. That made her think, which ultimately led to detransing her older son as well.
that'll be because womens instinct is to create strong in-group consensus. It's a valuable consensus when the in-group is 100 people found locally who all cooperate towards a common goal (the groups well-being). It's less valuable when the "in-group" is an amorphous global mass of humanity with no local presence.
Best remedy for a woman is to have a husband of strong character. Unfortunately, if that woman is that screwed up to begin with, she's not likely to find a sensible man willing to wife her, and even if she did, she's not likely to submit to him anyways.
Because of my own experiences of perceived victimhood with my own parents' rejection of my sexuality
We raised both our sons as gender neutral as possible, with gender neutral clothes, toys, and language... we did not call them boys, or even tell them that they were boys.
Its amazing how quickly these "look at me, I fucked up horribly and permanently damaged my child mentally/physically but I learned my lesson! Give me attention and praise" stories are coming out now.
Guess all these failure mothers realized the trans gravy train isn't as lucrative anymore and that the new hotness is this one.
We raised both our sons as gender neutral as possible, with gender neutral clothes, toys, and language. While we did use he/him pronouns and others in their life called them boys, we did not call them boys, or even tell them that they were boys. We made all language gender neutral. In everyday reading of books or descriptions of people in our lives, we did not say "man" or "woman," we said "people." We thought we were doing the right and best thing, both for them and for the world. (...)
At around four years old, my son began to ask me if he was a boy or a girl. Instead of telling him he was a boy, I told him he could choose. I didn't use those words—I thought I could be more sophisticated than that. I told him, "When babies are born with a penis, they are called boys, and when babies are born with a vagina, they are called girls. But some babies who are born with a penis can be girls, and some babies born with a vagina can be boys. It all depends on what you feel deep inside." He continued to ask me what he was, and I continued to repeat these lines. I resolved my inner conflict by "leading" my son with this framework—you can be born with a penis, but still be a girl inside. I thought I was doing the right thing, for him, and for the world.
His question, and my response to it, would come back to haunt me for years, and continues to haunt me now. What I know now is that I was "leading"—I was leading my innocent, sensitive child down a path of lies that were a direct on-ramp to psychological damage and life-long irreversible medical intervention. All in the name of love, acceptance, and liberation.
Anyone who is suicidal should be instantly cured by just being informed that at the very least, he is not a slavish folllower of The Current Thing.
>tell a child that some people are special and the rules don't apply to them
>tell him that he's allowed to choose whether he's normal or special
>he says he's special
Who could have possibly seen this coming????
That's the thing that a lot of people don't understand about the tranny plague. Being a tranny is advertised as being special and unique. It is always, always paired with positive adjectives like "brave", "beautiful", "valid", etc. Of course any child or teenager, given the opportunity, is going to choose to be the thing that everyone loves and nobody is allowed to criticize. It's life on easy mode. Or at least, that's what they're told. The wrecked endocrine system and the mutilation always catches them by surprise because that part isn't in the grooming literature.
Watching my old employer drop mandates and beg us all to come back - that’s something, at least.
Wait, what? Mandates in Australia? Don't you guys have employee protection/privacy laws preventing that sort of thing?
But… It’s just not as simple as that. I wish it was.
I understand. But look man, your mind loves to play tricks on you. People have lived in misery that was unimaginable for you and me, and yet they persevered - even when there was no prospect of things getting better because they were medieval peasants. Modernity makes people sick.
Just gotta keep going and hope it eventually gets a tiny bit better, I suppose.
The best thing about a terrible situation is that it can only get better. I say go to the gym daily until it does.
Wait, what? Mandates in Australia? Don't you guys have employee protection/privacy laws preventing that sort of thing?
Assuming this is not sarcastic... Australians will love to tell you that we have "strong employee protection laws" and no "at will employment" here, but... From extensive experience, it really isn't that simple.
I, unfortunately, have only ever been employed either on a contract, or casually. Thus, while my hourly rate is technically higher than the full-time equivalent, you lack any of these protections. So it's incredibly easy to sack me with very little recourse on my part. I knew that even before Covid, and Covid only made that even clearer...
But I also know more "permanent" employees in my "industry" of the time (the Australian Public Service), who were also let go, when mandates came in.
You'll find that "employee protection" and "privacy" laws only apply, in Australia, when it's convenient for TPTB. In this case, everyone with power was on the side of "enforcing mandates", so therefore those laws were largely made moot. The courts wouldn't support workers. The Human Rights Commission ignored it. Etc.
It really just shows you how weak those laws are, in a place like this, in reality.
So yeah, I'm afraid that's just not how it panned out. Many big businesses do still in fact have those mandates, even after they have been officially dropped. Pretty sure I lied on my last job application about it, even, so that will be interesting, if it comes up at interview...
Assuming this is not sarcastic... Australians will love to tell you that we have "strong employee protection laws" and no "at will employment" here, but... From extensive experience, it really isn't that simple.
It's not sarcastic, I assumed Australia to be similar to Europe on the matter.
Here (at least where I am), the funny thing was that even establishments where you had to show a corona passport, were not legally allowed to ask their employees for vaccination. The justification for this is that you don't have to go to a bar to have a drink, but the employees rely on working their for their livelihood. And I was glad to have less nonsense rather than more.
I, unfortunately, have only ever been employed either on a contract, or casually. Thus, while my hourly rate is technically higher than the full-time equivalent, you lack any of these protections. So it's incredibly easy to sack me with very little recourse on my part. I knew that even before Covid, and Covid only made that even clearer...
Not sure this would fly. Even in cases where there is at will employment, like with temporary contracts, if you can demonstrate that your contract was not extended due to something illegal (like requiring vaccination), you could sue for damages and/or reinstatement. At least, that's how it works here.
You'll find that "employee protection" and "privacy" laws only apply, in Australia, when it's convenient for TPTB. In this case, everyone with power was on the side of "enforcing mandates", so therefore those laws were largely made moot. The courts wouldn't support workers. The Human Rights Commission ignored it. Etc.
Yes, that is unfortunately fairly universal. However, employee protections are so well-established in Europe, that they are upheld even when they go against the interests of TPTB.
Many big businesses do still in fact have those mandates, even after they have been officially dropped. Pretty sure I lied on my last job application about it, even, so that will be interesting, if it comes up at interview...
Incredible. The gall of these people to interfere with such matters. Assuming you're not working with 90-year-old patients with diabetes...
I understand. But look man, your mind loves to play tricks on you. People have lived in misery that was unimaginable for you and me, and yet they persevered - even when there was no prospect of things getting better because they were medieval peasants. Modernity makes people sick.
Yes, I know this. It's just that my life is... Not just "not where I would want it to be", but objectively in a worse place than almost literally everyone I know... To the point of embarrassment and shame. Which has led me to become isolated. Which obviously makes things worse...
I am trying to turn this around, but it's actually much harder than even I likely imagined it would be. Possible? Yes, but much easier said than done...
As for the mind bit: Funnily enough, I recently tried an SSRI. It just made me worse, and also sick and weak. So... While brain chemistry of course plays a part in this, as does perception - when your life is a mess, unfortunately none of that shit is going to make much difference, I would say...
But anyway, I'm trying to fix as much as I can.
The best thing about a terrible situation is that it can only get better. I say go to the gym daily until it does.
I literally can't afford the gym right now, lol. And it's fairly pointless getting a new membership until I move cities again (soon, hopefully). But yeah. I just run. And sometimes ride. That's my equivalent, I guess.
Yes, I know this. It's just that my life is... Not just "not where I would want it to be", but objectively in a worse place than almost literally everyone I know...
Comparison is a terrible adviser. A lot of my friends justify their awfulness by saying that they are better than most people. That really is no excuse. Some people are down on their luck, while others are up on their luck - and the latter group then coasts based on that.
People who have the best lives are not those who coast, but who encounter adversity and overcome it. When you are top dog, there is nowhere to go but down, but when you're down, there's nowhere to go but up.
To the point of embarrassment and shame. Which has led me to become isolated.
I unfortunately know someone like that. There is absolutely no embarrassment or shame in being objectively in a worse place. I think no worse of people who are down on their luck, or even people who squander opportunities, nor does anyone else.
I rarely recommend this to anyone, because I think therapy is generally bunk, and you might think it arrogant for me to give you advice on this, but I really think cognitive-behavioral therapy would do you good. Because this sounds like something you talked yourself into, and someone needs to talk you out of it, to put it crudely.
As for the mind bit: Funnily enough, I recently tried an SSRI. It just made me worse, and also sick and weak. So... While brain chemistry of course plays a part in this, as does perception - when your life is a mess, unfortunately none of that shit is going to make much difference, I would say...
There was a recent study that claimed SSRIs don't even work, because serotonin is not the cause of depression. That said, from whatever little I have learned about your situation, I don't think you are depressed, just miserable.
But anyway, I'm trying to fix as much as I can.
You better!
I literally can't afford the gym right now, lol. And it's fairly pointless getting a new membership until I move cities again (soon, hopefully). But yeah. I just run. And sometimes ride. That's my equivalent, I guess.
Anaerobic is also good for you. Not to mention the social aspects of a gym. Said the guy who hasn't been to the gym since corona.
As I wrote these replies out, my Uni just contacted me to say that I have been approved for re-enrolment...
This is a massive, life-changing thing, for me. It's hope, and it's an opportunity to start over. I needed that. I absolutely needed this more than almost anything, right now.
So... It's not "over". I just have to turn things around. This gives me the chance to do that.
I haven't been able to sleep for months, worrying over whether they would approve this, so thank the fucking fuck, this is pretty immense.
I guess this shouldn't be such an "identity defining" thing, but man, just the sweet relief of being given a lifeline here is something that is hard to explain, I think.
Now I have to make the most of this chance, of course.
As I wrote these replies out, my Uni just contacted me to say that I have been approved for re-enrolment...
Up we go! Good luck rubs off on you when I talks with you.
I haven't been able to sleep for months, worrying over whether they would approve this, so thank the fucking fuck, this is pretty immense.
God, that sounds awful. Maybe get your hands on some Epictetus or Marcus Aurelius. You worry too much about things you can't do anything about. We all do, but it may be a bit worse for you than for the rest of us.
It's also strange to me that they can apparently reject people based on arbitrary criteria. I always knew if I would be approved for re-enrollment or not.
Now I have to make the most of this chance, of course.
Do your best. But even if you had not been approved, there's a thousand ways to live well without a college degree.
Wait, what? Mandates in Australia? Don't you guys have employee protection/privacy laws preventing that sort of thing?
Assuming this is not sarcastic... Australians will love to tell you that we have "strong employee protection laws" and no "at will employment" here, but... From extensive experience, it really isn't that simple.
I, unfortunately, have only ever been employed either on a contract, or casually. Thus, while my hourly rate is technically higher than the full-time equivalent, you lack any of these protections. So it's incredibly easy to sack me with very little recourse on my part. I knew that even before Covid, and Covid only made that even clearer...
But I also know more "permanent" employees in my "industry" of the time (the Australian Public Service), who were also let go, when mandates came in.
You'll find that "employee protection" and "privacy" laws only apply, in Australia, when it's convenient for TPTB. In this case, everyone with power was on the side of "enforcing mandates", so therefore those laws were largely made moot. The courts wouldn't support workers. The Human Rights Commission ignored it. Etc.
It really just shows you how weak those laws are, in a place like this, in reality.
So yeah, I'm afraid that's just not how it panned out. Many big businesses do still in fact have those mandates, even after they have been officially dropped. Pretty sure I lied on my last job application about it, even, so that will be interesting, if it comes up at interview...
Surprised no one has mentioned the mom and "spouse" are lesbian. That, no doubt, played a damn big role.
I knew multiple kids in in middle/high school who had gay parents.
The guys I knew who had gay dads both become masculine, traditional, based, found religion, etc. They both still have good relationships with their dad, but not close.
The two guys I knew who had lesbian moms are insane basketcases. Depression, anxiety, you name it.
A friend of a very close friend is a married lesbian raising a boy. I feel so sick and sad for that kid.
The 'Trender Horror Show' continues unabated, yet at this point it's like 'Friday The Thirteenth - Part 12.' We've seen it all before, and it keeps getting cringier with each installment. There isn't even a point in watching.
It's been done before. You have zero respect for any of the participating actors and actresses.
This gender-neutral parenting completely misunderstands how children work. Small children are generally ignorant. They haven't had the time or life experiences to fill in the many gaps in their knowledge. That is why they look to the adults in their lives, particularly their parents, for their answers to their many questions about the world around them. Everyone has known a small child who is going through their "why"phase. It does a child no good for his parents to collectively shrug their shoulders when he asks, "am I a boy or a girl?"
The parents who aren't openly trying to abuse their children, but still leave it up to their child to "decide" their gender have a quasi-religious view on the "self." They believe that everyone has a mystical, all-knowing self that knows the answers to all of life's questions. That is how someone can know that they were born in the wrong body, despite never having the experience of being the opposite sex. It's closely related to the modernist idea that you must "find yourself," and that if you do not do so, you are doomed to life of misery. The truth is, human beings are incredibly adaptable. We can find contentment in a myriad of different situations.
If there was justice, they would be a court similar to nuremberg where EVERY medical and educational position that championed this would face grave repercussions.
But at this point I'd settle for they try this against some gang boss/cartel leaders kid and they do their own form of 'justice'.
They did it to one of Elon's kids. In my fantasy world is his buying twitter is the first step in a massively complicated turbo autist xanatos-tier rube-goldberg plan to get revenge.
But then Eliza
BleuMorthland started slobbing on his knob, and he got sidetracked banning anyone who criticized her insane ass.I agree only in the sense that Nuremburg was naked revenge thinly veiled as justice.
genital tortures
Hilarious these people are so indoctrinated they don’t realize “gender neutral” is in fact pushing feminization. There is no “neutral” when you push both and end up damaging your child because they’re fucking 4 and do whatever they think will please you.
A horrifying story, and thank God she snapped out of it before any permanent damage had been done.
Particularly insidious is how she mentions that the "experts" she consulted said.
Monsters.
tl;dw - what caused her to come to her senses?
She had two sons, and while her older one was weird (because autistic), her younger one was normal. And yet he also decided he was a girl. That made her think, which ultimately led to detransing her older son as well.
Oh well I was hoping for something that could be replicated.
Relying on women to trust their instincts over the will of the social media hivemind isn't a winning strategy.
that'll be because womens instinct is to create strong in-group consensus. It's a valuable consensus when the in-group is 100 people found locally who all cooperate towards a common goal (the groups well-being). It's less valuable when the "in-group" is an amorphous global mass of humanity with no local presence.
Best remedy for a woman is to have a husband of strong character. Unfortunately, if that woman is that screwed up to begin with, she's not likely to find a sensible man willing to wife her, and even if she did, she's not likely to submit to him anyways.
Two women trying to raise two boys.
Only men can raise men.
Its amazing how quickly these "look at me, I fucked up horribly and permanently damaged my child mentally/physically but I learned my lesson! Give me attention and praise" stories are coming out now.
Guess all these failure mothers realized the trans gravy train isn't as lucrative anymore and that the new hotness is this one.
Gays are a dime and dozen.. promoted in every game, movie and show. Yet, its still stunning and brave when some a-hole comes out.
Her article about this affair.
Anyone who is suicidal should be instantly cured by just being informed that at the very least, he is not a slavish folllower of The Current Thing.
>tell a child that some people are special and the rules don't apply to them
>tell him that he's allowed to choose whether he's normal or special
>he says he's special
Who could have possibly seen this coming????
That's the thing that a lot of people don't understand about the tranny plague. Being a tranny is advertised as being special and unique. It is always, always paired with positive adjectives like "brave", "beautiful", "valid", etc. Of course any child or teenager, given the opportunity, is going to choose to be the thing that everyone loves and nobody is allowed to criticize. It's life on easy mode. Or at least, that's what they're told. The wrecked endocrine system and the mutilation always catches them by surprise because that part isn't in the grooming literature.
I really wish your last sentence were true…
Does feel somewhat “nice” to be vindicated about some of this stuff, though, I guess…
Watching my old employer drop mandates and beg us all to come back - that’s something, at least.
But… It’s just not as simple as that. I wish it was.
Just gotta keep going and hope it eventually gets a tiny bit better, I suppose.
Wait, what? Mandates in Australia? Don't you guys have employee protection/privacy laws preventing that sort of thing?
I understand. But look man, your mind loves to play tricks on you. People have lived in misery that was unimaginable for you and me, and yet they persevered - even when there was no prospect of things getting better because they were medieval peasants. Modernity makes people sick.
The best thing about a terrible situation is that it can only get better. I say go to the gym daily until it does.
Assuming this is not sarcastic... Australians will love to tell you that we have "strong employee protection laws" and no "at will employment" here, but... From extensive experience, it really isn't that simple.
I, unfortunately, have only ever been employed either on a contract, or casually. Thus, while my hourly rate is technically higher than the full-time equivalent, you lack any of these protections. So it's incredibly easy to sack me with very little recourse on my part. I knew that even before Covid, and Covid only made that even clearer...
But I also know more "permanent" employees in my "industry" of the time (the Australian Public Service), who were also let go, when mandates came in.
You'll find that "employee protection" and "privacy" laws only apply, in Australia, when it's convenient for TPTB. In this case, everyone with power was on the side of "enforcing mandates", so therefore those laws were largely made moot. The courts wouldn't support workers. The Human Rights Commission ignored it. Etc.
It really just shows you how weak those laws are, in a place like this, in reality.
So yeah, I'm afraid that's just not how it panned out. Many big businesses do still in fact have those mandates, even after they have been officially dropped. Pretty sure I lied on my last job application about it, even, so that will be interesting, if it comes up at interview...
It's not sarcastic, I assumed Australia to be similar to Europe on the matter.
Here (at least where I am), the funny thing was that even establishments where you had to show a corona passport, were not legally allowed to ask their employees for vaccination. The justification for this is that you don't have to go to a bar to have a drink, but the employees rely on working their for their livelihood. And I was glad to have less nonsense rather than more.
Not sure this would fly. Even in cases where there is at will employment, like with temporary contracts, if you can demonstrate that your contract was not extended due to something illegal (like requiring vaccination), you could sue for damages and/or reinstatement. At least, that's how it works here.
Yes, that is unfortunately fairly universal. However, employee protections are so well-established in Europe, that they are upheld even when they go against the interests of TPTB.
Incredible. The gall of these people to interfere with such matters. Assuming you're not working with 90-year-old patients with diabetes...
Now, onto the rest:
Yes, I know this. It's just that my life is... Not just "not where I would want it to be", but objectively in a worse place than almost literally everyone I know... To the point of embarrassment and shame. Which has led me to become isolated. Which obviously makes things worse... I am trying to turn this around, but it's actually much harder than even I likely imagined it would be. Possible? Yes, but much easier said than done...
As for the mind bit: Funnily enough, I recently tried an SSRI. It just made me worse, and also sick and weak. So... While brain chemistry of course plays a part in this, as does perception - when your life is a mess, unfortunately none of that shit is going to make much difference, I would say...
But anyway, I'm trying to fix as much as I can.
I literally can't afford the gym right now, lol. And it's fairly pointless getting a new membership until I move cities again (soon, hopefully). But yeah. I just run. And sometimes ride. That's my equivalent, I guess.
Comparison is a terrible adviser. A lot of my friends justify their awfulness by saying that they are better than most people. That really is no excuse. Some people are down on their luck, while others are up on their luck - and the latter group then coasts based on that.
People who have the best lives are not those who coast, but who encounter adversity and overcome it. When you are top dog, there is nowhere to go but down, but when you're down, there's nowhere to go but up.
I unfortunately know someone like that. There is absolutely no embarrassment or shame in being objectively in a worse place. I think no worse of people who are down on their luck, or even people who squander opportunities, nor does anyone else.
I rarely recommend this to anyone, because I think therapy is generally bunk, and you might think it arrogant for me to give you advice on this, but I really think cognitive-behavioral therapy would do you good. Because this sounds like something you talked yourself into, and someone needs to talk you out of it, to put it crudely.
There was a recent study that claimed SSRIs don't even work, because serotonin is not the cause of depression. That said, from whatever little I have learned about your situation, I don't think you are depressed, just miserable.
You better!
Anaerobic is also good for you. Not to mention the social aspects of a gym. Said the guy who hasn't been to the gym since corona.
As I wrote these replies out, my Uni just contacted me to say that I have been approved for re-enrolment...
This is a massive, life-changing thing, for me. It's hope, and it's an opportunity to start over. I needed that. I absolutely needed this more than almost anything, right now.
So... It's not "over". I just have to turn things around. This gives me the chance to do that.
I haven't been able to sleep for months, worrying over whether they would approve this, so thank the fucking fuck, this is pretty immense.
I guess this shouldn't be such an "identity defining" thing, but man, just the sweet relief of being given a lifeline here is something that is hard to explain, I think.
Now I have to make the most of this chance, of course.
Up we go! Good luck rubs off on you when I talks with you.
God, that sounds awful. Maybe get your hands on some Epictetus or Marcus Aurelius. You worry too much about things you can't do anything about. We all do, but it may be a bit worse for you than for the rest of us.
It's also strange to me that they can apparently reject people based on arbitrary criteria. I always knew if I would be approved for re-enrollment or not.
Do your best. But even if you had not been approved, there's a thousand ways to live well without a college degree.
Assuming this is not sarcastic... Australians will love to tell you that we have "strong employee protection laws" and no "at will employment" here, but... From extensive experience, it really isn't that simple.
I, unfortunately, have only ever been employed either on a contract, or casually. Thus, while my hourly rate is technically higher than the full-time equivalent, you lack any of these protections. So it's incredibly easy to sack me with very little recourse on my part. I knew that even before Covid, and Covid only made that even clearer...
But I also know more "permanent" employees in my "industry" of the time (the Australian Public Service), who were also let go, when mandates came in.
You'll find that "employee protection" and "privacy" laws only apply, in Australia, when it's convenient for TPTB. In this case, everyone with power was on the side of "enforcing mandates", so therefore those laws were largely made moot. The courts wouldn't support workers. The Human Rights Commission ignored it. Etc.
It really just shows you how weak those laws are, in a place like this, in reality.
So yeah, I'm afraid that's just not how it panned out. Many big businesses do still in fact have those mandates, even after they have been officially dropped. Pretty sure I lied on my last job application about it, even, so that will be interesting, if it comes up at interview...
I'm surprised she got out of it at all given how deep in she obviously was.
Surprised no one has mentioned the mom and "spouse" are lesbian. That, no doubt, played a damn big role.
I knew multiple kids in in middle/high school who had gay parents.
The guys I knew who had gay dads both become masculine, traditional, based, found religion, etc. They both still have good relationships with their dad, but not close.
The two guys I knew who had lesbian moms are insane basketcases. Depression, anxiety, you name it.
A friend of a very close friend is a married lesbian raising a boy. I feel so sick and sad for that kid.
The 'Trender Horror Show' continues unabated, yet at this point it's like 'Friday The Thirteenth - Part 12.' We've seen it all before, and it keeps getting cringier with each installment. There isn't even a point in watching.
It's been done before. You have zero respect for any of the participating actors and actresses.
This gender-neutral parenting completely misunderstands how children work. Small children are generally ignorant. They haven't had the time or life experiences to fill in the many gaps in their knowledge. That is why they look to the adults in their lives, particularly their parents, for their answers to their many questions about the world around them. Everyone has known a small child who is going through their "why"phase. It does a child no good for his parents to collectively shrug their shoulders when he asks, "am I a boy or a girl?"
The parents who aren't openly trying to abuse their children, but still leave it up to their child to "decide" their gender have a quasi-religious view on the "self." They believe that everyone has a mystical, all-knowing self that knows the answers to all of life's questions. That is how someone can know that they were born in the wrong body, despite never having the experience of being the opposite sex. It's closely related to the modernist idea that you must "find yourself," and that if you do not do so, you are doomed to life of misery. The truth is, human beings are incredibly adaptable. We can find contentment in a myriad of different situations.
Nice spot in hell for these morons.